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Psa 37:4 "Delight thyself also in the Lord, and he shall give thee the desires of thine heart."

This is not speaking of "wanting carnal or materialistic things, delighting in the Lord, and then the Lord giving them to you." This is speaking of delighting in the Lord, and the Lord giving you godly, spiritual desires. You see, it is a matter of order. In the first interpretation the desires come first and are from the old nature. In the second the desires comes after delighting in the Lord, and they are placed in you by the Lord.

Ok, the can of worms is now open for your response. :scratch:
 

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I am sure you are going to get attacked for this.
BUT not by me.
I truly wish the people would follow Christ and man his sayings are meat for the soul.
Seek has to do with Seeking GOD
knock has to do with knocking upon the door
and man I love in luke where he gets specific
for how much more shall my heavenly Father give the HOLY SPIRIT
to those who ask...........
GODS grace changes the heart of any one it enters...........
 
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Greg, you know that abundant life the prosperity gospel speaks of
is this.....
beware of Covetousness, for a mans LIFE consists not in the ABUNDANCE
of what he possess...............
man seeks the wrong prosperity .
but man , david, saw the REAL prosperity
OH LORD send NOW prosperity
BLESSED BE HE WHO COMES IN THE NAME OF THE LORD
that is the only riches, the only prosperity a man needs.
one could lack all, be in prison, beaten and still REJIOCE in that PROSPERITY.......
even killed and to be absent from the body is to be present with the LORD.
and talk about peace of mind.
by grace my asking has been all spiritual
yet I have lacked no food , no clothes
in fact I give those things no thought.
no worry about losing
and no hope for increasing those things.....
JUST PEACE IN THE LORD, my mind has PEACE and no fear to lose all.
 
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I am sure you are going to get attacked for this.
BUT not by me.
I truly wish the people would follow Christ and man his sayings are meat for the soul.
Seek has to do with Seeking GOD
knock has to do with knocking upon the door
and man I love in luke where he gets specific
for how much more shall my heavenly Father give the HOLY SPIRIT
to those who ask...........
GODS grace changes the heart of any one it enters...........
I realize a lot will disagree with this post, so am glad you were the first to respond. Thanks for posting what you did. "For all (generally speaking, with people like you as the exception) seek their own, not the things which are Jesus Christ's." Phil 2:21
 
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Greg, you know that abundant life the prosperity gospel speaks of
is this.....
beware of Covetousness, for a mans LIFE consists not in the ABUNDANCE
of what he possess...............
man seeks the wrong prosperity .
but man , david, saw the REAL prosperity
OH LORD send NOW prosperity
BLESSED BE HE WHO COMES IN THE NAME OF THE LORD
that is the only riches, the only prosperity a man needs.
one could lack all, be in prison, beaten and still REJIOCE in that PROSPERITY.......
even killed and to be absent from the body is to be present with the LORD.
and talk about peace of mind.
by grace my asking has been all spiritual
yet I have lacked no food , no clothes
in fact I give those things no thought.
no worry about losing
and no hope for increasing those things.....
JUST PEACE IN THE LORD, my mind has PEACE and no fear to lose all.
Great words of wisdom. Thanks.
 
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We die to the flesh. We are born again in the Spirit. Thus our desires changed from fleshly things to..spiritual things.

I don't pray for a new car.
I don't desire that.
I desire the wisdom and gifts needed to evangelize to the world.
Gifts like discernment and what not..

Suddenly, God provides me with a new car to do just that.
He provides me a wife to do just that..

He blesses me with valuable tools like an awesome computer and this thing called a " smart " phone..to do just that.

It wasn't the " things " that I desired. But God gave me the " things " so I can carry out my desire.

#KingSolomon
 
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I mean when I read what JESUS said
about not worrying not seeking
that GOD already knows I have need...........and he
takes cares of sparrows he will me too..........I BELIEVED IT
for , I knew CHRIST cannot lie
my TRUST is in him, so I worry not over it, I care not whether I gain
and I fear not if I lose those things.
God knows what I need.........and when its time to lose all things
BLESSED be HIS NAME
and if I gain earthen riches.............its only meant to give to the poor
not store up.........
Man can take all my earthen things...........
but he cant TAKE my PROSPERITY FROM ME................JESUS the TRUE TREASURE
the riches THAT DO PROFIT A MAN and does save one in the day of wrath..........
I could sing this song all day.......................PEACE of mind , no worry , no fear
only godliness with contentment.................THAT IS GAIN.............
it gives all the comfort, peace , joy, it fulfills the soul
something earthen riches cannot..............no he who covets silver
will not be satisfied with it..............lust cannot fulfill , they will only seek more.............
ONLY GOD can.....................amen.
 
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We die to the flesh. We are born again in the Spirit. Thus our desires changed from fleshly things to..spiritual things.

I don't pray for a new car.
I don't desire that.
I desire the wisdom and gifts needed to evangelize to the world.
Gifts like discernment and what not..

Suddenly, God provides me with a new car to do just that.
He provides me a wife to do just that..

He blesses me with valuable tools like an awesome computer and this thing called a " smart " phone..to do just that.

It wasn't the " things " that I desired. But God gave me the " things " so I can carry out my desire.

#KingSolomon
Good points. If only more would see it your way. Christians are not always correct on their view, and we are challenged to be patient with one another, loving to one another. Could somewhat apply Ecc 7:14 to our agreeable and disagreeable brethren." "In the day of prosperity (agreeable) be joyful, but in the day of adversity consider: God also hath set the one over against the other, to the end that man should find nothing (gain his greatest contentment) after him (God).
 
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I mean when I read what JESUS said
about not worrying not seeking
that GOD already knows I have need...........and he
takes cares of sparrows he will me too..........I BELIEVED IT
for , I knew CHRIST cannot lie
my TRUST is in him, so I worry not over it, I care not whether I gain
and I fear not if I lose those things.
God knows what I need.........and when its time to lose all things
BLESSED be HIS NAME
and if I gain earthen riches.............its only meant to give to the poor
not store up.........
Man can take all my earthen things...........
but he cant TAKE my PROSPERITY FROM ME................JESUS the TRUE TREASURE
the riches THAT DO PROFIT A MAN and does save one in the day of wrath..........
I could sing this song all day.......................PEACE of mind , no worry , no fear
only godliness with contentment.................THAT IS GAIN.............
it gives all the comfort, peace , joy, it fulfills the soul
something earthen riches cannot..............no he who covets silver
will not be satisfied with it..............lust cannot fulfill , they will only seek more.............
ONLY GOD can.....................amen.
Amen indeed!
 
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I realize a lot will disagree with this post, so am glad you were the first to respond. Thanks for posting what you did. "For all (generally speaking, with people like you as the exception) seek their own, not the things which are Jesus Christ's." Phil 2:21
Praise the LORD.
the more people see the true faith , I keep praying they be encouraged.
but , when one wont let go, as many wont...........that is sad to watch.
you know many have asked me why I have such peace and am happy
when they see me at work.
HAPPY IS THE ONE WHO KEEPS MY SAYINGS.....
I tell them about the true prosperity, yet they wont agree
yet........if they are so happy seeking material.......WHY Did they have to ask why I am.
they openly admit they are not that happy, yet often refuse the simple advice I give.
GODS GRACE IS SUFFICIENT in all times good or bad , its Sufficient
in all times..........
 
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I don't know whether order is necessarily implied, but it seems simple enough that if we delight in the Lord, the desires of our heart will be godly. How else could they be?

And if our desire is for our spiritual good, God grants that. Though not every destination is reached by following short, easy, or pleasant paths. However, we CAN trust Him to safely deliver us to our destination, if we allow Him to. :)
 
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Psa 37:4 "Delight thyself also in the Lord, and he shall give thee the desires of thine heart."

This is not speaking of "wanting carnal or materialistic things, delighting in the Lord, and then the Lord giving them to you." This is speaking of delighting in the Lord, and the Lord giving you godly, spiritual desires. You see, it is a matter of order. In the first interpretation the desires come first and are from the old nature. In the second the desires comes after delighting in the Lord, and they are placed in you by the Lord.

Ok, the can of worms is now open for your response. :scratch:
Not really a can of worms IMO. You have it right I think.

Our King while on earth wore a crown of thorns. He never promised us a 'rose garden' here on our earthly pilgrimage.
 
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Thank you for starting this thread, Greg. The "prosperity gospel" has been on my mind lately because it is everywhere. I can’t understand why the “prosperity gospel” is so widely taught and believed today among people who identify with Christ and the Church. I’ve known people to contrive a doctrine of prosperity by misquoting scripture or taking some verse(s) out of context and applying it incorrectly to the gospel of Christ. Some will “claim” for themselves an Old Testament verse intended for the Israelites, expecting—even demanding of God—material, financial and fleshly gain. Then, the look down on people who have little in the world and who suffer afflictions because they believe those people don't have God's blessing.
Over a decade ago, someone discovered the prayer of Jabez in the Old Testament, claimed it as their own, and began teaching a doctrine of prosperity based on it. In 1 Chronicles 4:9, the word nichbad, as it applies to Jabez, is widely translated “honorable,” “respected,” or “noble.” This is derived from it’s meaning of “weighty,” which is used to denote wealth or honor. The other meaning of nichbad is “burdensome.” Its use in this passage may be a double entendre because it seems Jabez was the cause of great pain at birth. His mother named him Yabetz (Jabetz), meaning “sorrowful,” because she “bore him with pain” (or “sorrow”).
In 1 Chronicles 4:10, Jabez prayed that God would bless him, enlarge his border (territory) and keep him from evil. The word translated as enlarge, vehirbita, means “to become much, many or great.” One thing to remember is that God blessed Abraham and his descendants, promising to multiply them and make them a great nation. The prayer of Jabez comes in the midst of the delineation of the various Hebrew clans in 1 Chronicles 4. God granted Jabez his requests because of his honor, but those blessings were not solely for Jabez; they were extended to his clan, because they were descendants of Abraham.
In Deuteronomy 15:4-5, God said, “there will be no poor among you; for the Lord will bless you in the land that the Lord your God is giving you for an inheritance to possess—if only you will strictly obey the voice of the Lord your God, being careful to do all this commandment that I command you today.” But, in Deuteronomy 15:7-11, God added that there would always be poor in the land and that the Hebrew people were to be generous toward the poor. He makes it clear that hardening their hearts against the poor would be sin. Therefore, the prosperity of the land depended on the charity of those who had an abundance.
Also, contrary to popular belief, God didn’t promise that all individuals among the Israelites would be healthy. Mephibosheth, the son of Jonathan in 2 Samuel 9, was a faithful Israelite who was paraplegic from infancy. Job is also an example of a man faithful to God but who lost everything for a time, including his health. Job said that prior to his affliction, “I was eyes to the blind and feet to the lame. I was a father to the needy…” (Job 29:15–16). He had shown compassion toward those less fortunate than himself.
Unfortunately, I’ve heard people quote verses from the book of Job to support a doctrine of prosperity, as well as contempt for the poor and afflicted. Those verses they quote are spoken by Job’s three friends who tormented him, insisting he must have sinned to have suffered such loss of possessions, family and health. Out of frustration, Job began to accuse God of being unjust, which he later repented of. At the end of the book of Job, God chastised Job’s friends for their misguided beliefs and insensitivity to Job’s condition, and instructed Job to pray for his friends that they might be forgiven.
It’s inexcusable when people take a verse or two out of context, oblivious to who they’re quoting and without reading the entire book or passage they’re quoting from to gain a thorough understanding. But, people do the same even in the New Testament. For instance, some people will argue that God approves a life of ease and luxury because of the words “relax, eat, drink, be merry” spoken by Jesus in Luke 12:19. What they miss is that Jesus was telling a parable in which he ascribed those words to a rich man whom God condemned for laying up treasure for himself while not being rich toward God (Luke 12:21).
I find less evidence of a prosperity gospel for Christians in the New Testament than for the Israelites in the Old Testament. There is much evidence in the New Testament that in sending His son to the earth, God was seeking people who are not focused on pursuing and preoccupying themselves with worldly pleasures, but who earnestly pursue the righteousness of God. Mary, the mother of Jesus, said in her hymn of praise, “He has filled the hungry with good things, and the rich he has sent away empty”(Luke 1:53). Jesus told the multitudes in Luke 6:24, “woe to you who are rich, for you have received your consolation.”
James exhorted Christians not to show partiality toward the rich, saying (James 2:5), “has not God chosen those who are poor in the world to be rich in faith and heirs of the kingdom, which he has promised to those who love him?” Also, in James 5:1–3 he says, “Come now, you rich, weep and howl for the miseries that are coming upon you… You have laid up treasure in the last days.” In Revelation 3:17, Jesus chastised the church in Laodicea: “you say, I am rich, I have prospered, and I need nothing, not realizing that you are wretched, pitiable, poor, blind, and naked.” The latter condition, of poverty and affliction, he spoke of in a spiritual sense.
Jesus was himself poor while here on earth, as were his apostles and others in the Church. It is said of the first Christians, “There was not a needy person among them, for as many as were owners of lands or houses sold them and brought the proceeds of what was sold and laid it at the apostles’ feet, and it was distributed to each as any had need“ (Acts 4:34–35). A disciple named Tabitha, who was known for her “good works and acts of charity” (Acts 9:36), was healed by the apostles after she became ill and died. When a lame man asked alms of Peter and John as they entered the temple, Peter told him (Acts 3:6), “I have no silver and gold, but what I do have I give to you. In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, rise up and walk!”
Jesus had compassion on those who were afflicted with diseases and troubled by unclean spirits (Matthew 12:9-13, 22; Mark 2:3-12; Mark 6:5, 12, 53-56; Luke 4:38-41; Luke 6:6-10, 18; Luke 6:6-10; Luke 7:1-10; Luke 8:2, 26-33, 40-55; Luke 9:37-43; Luke 13:10-16) His teachings and deeds were in conflict with the beliefs of the scribes and Pharisees, who were convinced that physical afflictions were the result of sin and, therefore, that those who suffered them, such as the man blind from birth in John 9, were worthy of contempt. When his disciples questioned whether the blind man or his parents sinned (John 9:2), Jesus responded in John 9:3: “It was not that this man sinned, or his parents, but that the works of God might be displayed in him.”
It's clear to me the Christian life is not one of ease and luxury. God doesn't owe us anything. He has given us everything we need and given us His best in His Son. We are useful to Him only when we are emptied of self and the desires of the flesh.
 
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Thank you for starting this thread, Greg. The "prosperity gospel" has been on my mind lately because it is everywhere. I can’t understand why the “prosperity gospel” is so widely taught and believed today among people who identify with Christ and the Church. I’ve known people to contrive a doctrine of prosperity by misquoting scripture or taking some verse(s) out of context and applying it incorrectly to the gospel of Christ. Some will “claim” for themselves an Old Testament verse intended for the Israelites, expecting—even demanding of God—material, financial and fleshly gain. Then, the look down on people who have little in the world and who suffer afflictions because they believe those people don't have God's blessing.
Over a decade ago, someone discovered the prayer of Jabez in the Old Testament, claimed it as their own, and began teaching a doctrine of prosperity based on it. In 1 Chronicles 4:9, the word nichbad, as it applies to Jabez, is widely translated “honorable,” “respected,” or “noble.” This is derived from it’s meaning of “weighty,” which is used to denote wealth or honor. The other meaning of nichbad is “burdensome.” Its use in this passage may be a double entendre because it seems Jabez was the cause of great pain at birth. His mother named him Yabetz (Jabetz), meaning “sorrowful,” because she “bore him with pain” (or “sorrow”).
In 1 Chronicles 4:10, Jabez prayed that God would bless him, enlarge his border (territory) and keep him from evil. The word translated as enlarge, vehirbita, means “to become much, many or great.” One thing to remember is that God blessed Abraham and his descendants, promising to multiply them and make them a great nation. The prayer of Jabez comes in the midst of the delineation of the various Hebrew clans in 1 Chronicles 4. God granted Jabez his requests because of his honor, but those blessings were not solely for Jabez; they were extended to his clan, because they were descendants of Abraham.
In Deuteronomy 15:4-5, God said, “there will be no poor among you; for the Lord will bless you in the land that the Lord your God is giving you for an inheritance to possess—if only you will strictly obey the voice of the Lord your God, being careful to do all this commandment that I command you today.” But, in Deuteronomy 15:7-11, God added that there would always be poor in the land and that the Hebrew people were to be generous toward the poor. He makes it clear that hardening their hearts against the poor would be sin. Therefore, the prosperity of the land depended on the charity of those who had an abundance.
Also, contrary to popular belief, God didn’t promise that all individuals among the Israelites would be healthy. Mephibosheth, the son of Jonathan in 2 Samuel 9, was a faithful Israelite who was paraplegic from infancy. Job is also an example of a man faithful to God but who lost everything for a time, including his health. Job said that prior to his affliction, “I was eyes to the blind and feet to the lame. I was a father to the needy…” (Job 29:15–16). He had shown compassion toward those less fortunate than himself.
Unfortunately, I’ve heard people quote verses from the book of Job to support a doctrine of prosperity, as well as contempt for the poor and afflicted. Those verses they quote are spoken by Job’s three friends who tormented him, insisting he must have sinned to have suffered such loss of possessions, family and health. Out of frustration, Job began to accuse God of being unjust, which he later repented of. At the end of the book of Job, God chastised Job’s friends for their misguided beliefs and insensitivity to Job’s condition, and instructed Job to pray for his friends that they might be forgiven.
It’s inexcusable when people take a verse or two out of context, oblivious to who they’re quoting and without reading the entire book or passage they’re quoting from to gain a thorough understanding. But, people do the same even in the New Testament. For instance, some people will argue that God approves a life of ease and luxury because of the words “relax, eat, drink, be merry” spoken by Jesus in Luke 12:19. What they miss is that Jesus was telling a parable in which he ascribed those words to a rich man whom God condemned for laying up treasure for himself while not being rich toward God (Luke 12:21).
I find less evidence of a prosperity gospel for Christians in the New Testament than for the Israelites in the Old Testament. There is much evidence in the New Testament that in sending His son to the earth, God was seeking people who are not focused on pursuing and preoccupying themselves with worldly pleasures, but who earnestly pursue the righteousness of God. Mary, the mother of Jesus, said in her hymn of praise, “He has filled the hungry with good things, and the rich he has sent away empty”(Luke 1:53). Jesus told the multitudes in Luke 6:24, “woe to you who are rich, for you have received your consolation.”
James exhorted Christians not to show partiality toward the rich, saying (James 2:5), “has not God chosen those who are poor in the world to be rich in faith and heirs of the kingdom, which he has promised to those who love him?” Also, in James 5:1–3 he says, “Come now, you rich, weep and howl for the miseries that are coming upon you… You have laid up treasure in the last days.” In Revelation 3:17, Jesus chastised the church in Laodicea: “you say, I am rich, I have prospered, and I need nothing, not realizing that you are wretched, pitiable, poor, blind, and naked.” The latter condition, of poverty and affliction, he spoke of in a spiritual sense.
Jesus was himself poor while here on earth, as were his apostles and others in the Church. It is said of the first Christians, “There was not a needy person among them, for as many as were owners of lands or houses sold them and brought the proceeds of what was sold and laid it at the apostles’ feet, and it was distributed to each as any had need“ (Acts 4:34–35). A disciple named Tabitha, who was known for her “good works and acts of charity” (Acts 9:36), was healed by the apostles after she became ill and died. When a lame man asked alms of Peter and John as they entered the temple, Peter told him (Acts 3:6), “I have no silver and gold, but what I do have I give to you. In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, rise up and walk!”
Jesus had compassion on those who were afflicted with diseases and troubled by unclean spirits (Matthew 12:9-13, 22; Mark 2:3-12; Mark 6:5, 12, 53-56; Luke 4:38-41; Luke 6:6-10, 18; Luke 6:6-10; Luke 7:1-10; Luke 8:2, 26-33, 40-55; Luke 9:37-43; Luke 13:10-16) His teachings and deeds were in conflict with the beliefs of the scribes and Pharisees, who were convinced that physical afflictions were the result of sin and, therefore, that those who suffered them, such as the man blind from birth in John 9, were worthy of contempt. When his disciples questioned whether the blind man or his parents sinned (John 9:2), Jesus responded in John 9:3: “It was not that this man sinned, or his parents, but that the works of God might be displayed in him.”
It's clear to me the Christian life is not one of ease and luxury. God doesn't owe us anything. He has given us everything we need and given us His best in His Son. We are useful to Him only when we are emptied of self and the desires of the flesh.
I agree. Well written. Informative. May people sense God's approval of how His Word has been taught here; may they learn, and may they apply this to their lives. Thanks for taking the time and effort to put this all together for us.
 
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Greg, where have you been?
I have been looking for some of your posts but have seen none.
Be blessed and praise the Lord.
I have posted some, but am also now on two others sites, and a neighborhood site called "Nextdoor." Did you see my thread on "Reaching Thousands" regarding that site?
 
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I have posted some, but am also now on two others sites, and a neighborhood site called "Nextdoor." Did you see my thread on "Reaching Thousands" regarding that site?
No , I will go hunt for it. When did you send it.
Also, Can I be invited to nextdoor.
 
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Psa 37:4 "Delight thyself also in the Lord, and he shall give thee the desires of thine heart."

This is not speaking of "wanting carnal or materialistic things, delighting in the Lord, and then the Lord giving them to you." This is speaking of delighting in the Lord, and the Lord giving you godly, spiritual desires. You see, it is a matter of order. In the first interpretation the desires come first and are from the old nature. In the second the desires comes after delighting in the Lord, and they are placed in you by the Lord.

Ok, the can of worms is now open for your response. :scratch:
A refreshing can of truth. Amen.
 
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