What are the important things to learn as a Christian?

noam burde said:

if you understand he was a man than your objection is only to the premortal teachings.
I don't believe their pre mortal stuff. but one can easely belive in this and in jesus.
I really disagree that muslims on average show good behavior. they have horrible treatment of eachother and even more of non muslims.
and this is the way jesus said people should tell if someone is his dispel or not.
john 13:35 "By this shall all men know that you are my disciples, if you have love one to another."
so according to jesus the Mormon are one of the best religious groops
i'm sorry to say. but it sounds to me like you are looking for a scapegoat.

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I object to the notion that Mormons are Christians because they deny basic Christian doctrine: the deity of Christ, the Trinity, salvation by faith in Christ alone, etc. My point about Muslims is that even if some are morally good citizens, it doesn't mean they are Christians, so the same applies to Mormons (or any other belief that denies Christ).

I don't understand why you are saying that I am looking for a scapegoat. Scapegoat for what? You challenged me to give an example of one thing that the Mormons teach that is incompatible with the Bible, and that is what I did. Was I incorrect? Not according to you, because you don't believe in the Book of Mormon or "their pre mortal stuff."

I will maintain that what we believe about Christ is important. We may not be able to agree in every aspect, but what the Bible clearly teaches should be protected by all Christians.

Bee_Brian said:

What are the important things to learn as a Christian?

I have very little knowledge of my own religion, which is a shame... So I want to know, what should I learn and what should I study?

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Hi Brian. I would say that the Bible should be your primary focus as you study. This is God's word to us, and everything else is mans word about God or about God's word. Master the Bible until it masters you.

For example, which Bible verses should I learn?

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1st Corinthians 13. Isaiah 52-53. Romans 8. John 1, 3, 17. Those are some good places to start that just popped into my mind.

What is the history of Christianity?

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If you must divert yourself with Church history, I recommend The Story of Christianity parts I and II by Justo Gonzalez.

What are the most important teachings of Christ?

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They are all important, but Jesus said the greatest commandment was to love God with all your heart and soul and mind and strength, and the 2nd greatest would be love your neighbor as yourself.

Hope this helps;
Mike

The Catechism is an excellent starting point. Go to Catechism of the Catholic Church As you work your way through the Catechism, all the supporting scripture is cited as each point is made. Once you have a general understanding of the foundational beliefs of Christianity, then read the Bible from cover to cover and this will help tie it all together. Additionally, get in with a good Church and a solid, intelligent set of Christians and scholars.

Tangible said:

For almost 500 years Lutherans have had a small book containing the essential teachings of Holy Scripture as an older child or a layperson should know them. In our churches the youth are taught from this book and from the Bible the basics of the Christian faith. Many of our young people are still required by their pastor to memorize all or major parts of the book as well as scripture passages from which they are drawn.

This book is called Luther's Small Catechism. It is available on the internet in several places, and a printed copy may be requested for free from just about any Lutheran pastor.

Luther’s Small Catechism by Dr. Martin Luther

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"It is far more important for me to know what God did to Israel, to His Son Jesus Christ, than to seek what God intends for me today. Only in Holy Scriptures do we learn to know our own history." - Dietrich Bonhoeffer

least said:

I object to the notion that Mormons are Christians because they deny basic Christian doctrine: the deity of Christ, the Trinity, salvation by faith in Christ alone, etc. My point about Muslims is that even if some are morally good citizens, it doesn't mean they are Christians, so the same applies to Mormons (or any other belief that denies Christ).

I don't understand why you are saying that I am looking for a scapegoat. Scapegoat for what? You challenged me to give an example of one thing that the Mormons teach that is incompatible with the Bible, and that is what I did. Was I incorrect? Not according to you, because you don't believe in the Book of Mormon or "their pre mortal stuff."

I will maintain that what we believe about Christ is important. We may not be able to agree in every aspect, but what the Bible clearly teaches should be protected by all Christians.

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the church of JESUS CHRIST of latter day saints.. deny CHRIST. right...
anyway. my point is. that its a bad thing to do. to publicly declare that an entire group of people are not Christian and deny Christ. just because you have some disagreements with them.
you think you are right. they think they are right. I think your both wrong about a lot of stuff.
but we all have freedom to think what we want. and that's a good thing. that needs to be respected.
(I think its also against this website rules to call someone not Christian)
I believe the book of Mormon, and the book of genesis, are stories written by God. but I don't believe in any church or the Mormon prophets.

Bee_Brian said:

What are the important things to learn as a Christian?



I have very little knowledge of my own religion, which is a shame... So I want to know, what should I learn and what should I study?

For example, which Bible verses should I learn? What is the history of Christianity? What are the most important teachings of Christ?

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You have a lifetime of study ahead of you, you know that don't you????

1. Learn down to your own toes that you can't do it on your own. You will always succumb to sin,and need God's forgiveness, and his grace to fight temptation, one day at a time.

2. Learn that this grace is free and undeserved. There is no reason for you to feel proud.

3. Learn that God made you in his image and loves you so much he died for you, thus you have dignity. There is no reason for shame either.

4. Learn what the basic gospel message is: that Christ has died for your sins, has risen, and will come again. If you repent and are baptized, and respond to God's grace with a working faith, you will have everlasting life and God will transform you into the mind of Christ over the course of your life. The Apostles Creed and the Nicene Creed do a good job condensing the gospel into a few words. Learn why "redemption" and "atonement" are used as metaphors for the gospel.

5. Learn that being saved is more than a single moment in time with a before and after, but rather that moment is the beginning of a journey with Christ. Study how the Bible teaches we have been saved (past tense), how we are being saved (present tense), and have hope of being saved (future tense.)

6. Learn what Sanctification is and why it is so important.

7. Study Church history, beginning with the Early Church Fathers. Try to go into it with an open mind, not biased towards Protestant or Catholic POV.

8. Concentrate on learning the teachings of the Ecumenical Councils, such as Trinitarianism at the Council of Nicea and orthodox Christology at the Council of Chalcedon. After all, you don't want to end up in the old heresies that non-Christian churches still teach.

9. Learn HOW to study the Bible. There are different levels of understanding it. Simply reading it has value, but it is the lowest level of understanding. If you go slower it is better. Pause with each phrase and ask yourself what it means. Stop with each point, and ask yourself what this means FOR YOU, what is God trying to tell you? The deepest level is to study it together with a book that goes into depth about the Hebrew or Greek (you can even use a lexicon) and explores the history and culture of the time, and comments on various scholar's views and theologies. But you still pray afterwards asking God to reveal what you are to learn from your study, how it applies to your life.

10. Get your foundation: Start by studying the four gospels until you know them backwards and forwards. A lot of Christians study the epistles and neglect the gospels, and end up with a skewed theology. What JESUS said gives the context for the epistles. It is Jesus that teaches the New Covenant.

11. Find the origin of the New Covenant--Judaism and the Old Covenant: Read the Torah (the first five books of the Bible) and learn it's stories and laws well. If it weren't for the Jews, Christianity wouldn't exist. Jesus said,"Salvation is from the Jews."

12. You have your whole life to study the rest of the Bible. My favorite portions are 1 John 1, Romans 11, the parable of the sheep and the goats, and the story of Joseph in Genesis.

13. Learn how to pray. There are different kinds of prayer -- familiarize yourself with them all. There is the sudden prayer that pops up during the day, "God,help me not to lose my temper!" There is the reflective temper over coffee or in bed at night that gives thanks, shares your day with the Lord and goes over major events, repents for the sins of the day, asks the Lord what he wants to teach you, and prays for others. And there are inspirational prayers that others have written that you can adopt as your own. In many churches, Christians pray together responsorially -- it's lovely. PRAY OFTEN. And listen for God's reply.

14. Live your faith. Feed the hungry. Visit the sick and in prison. Clothe the naked. Look for those who need your help. Sometimes they are the person around the world. Sometimes they are the single mother next door. Sometimes you get personally involved. Other times you pay tithes or taxes with joy and the money goes towards their benefit. St Francis of Assisi said, "Preach constantly, use words when necessary." Faith without works is dead. James 2:26.

Shempster said:

Don't you ever wonder why the bible is so confusing? Why there are so many interpretations?

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A large minority of Christians have walked away from the authority of the Church to teach, and depend upon their own authority to interpret. It's not good enough.

Shempster said:

I find it strange that most Christians say Mormons and Jehovas Witnesses are cult people.
While they may have some strange ideas as to the origin of things, they have the gospel message correct! It also reminds me of the Rastafari of Jamaica. They have the character of God correct but the name wrong.

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I don't think Mormons and JWs are cults. But I do think they are non-Christian religions, just as Judaism or Buddhism is.

Just like the Republican Party or La Leche League have a right to define what they believe and teach, what makes a Republican or what it takes for a person to be a LLL representative, SO DOES Christianity. Christianity has determined that it is monotheistic and Trinitarian, that Christ is fully God and fully man, etc. Mormons are henatheists, not monotheists, and JW's believe that Jesus is an angel rather than God. IOW, neither one is Trinitarian. Thus they just don't meet the Christian criteria.

noam burde said:

the church of JESUS CHRIST of latter day saints.. deny CHRIST. right...
anyway. my point is. that its a bad thing to do. to publicly declare that an entire group of people are not Christian and deny Christ. just because you have some disagreements with them.
you think you are right. they think they are right. I think your both wrong about a lot of stuff.
but we all have freedom to think what we want. and that's a good thing. that needs to be respected.
(I think its also against this website rules to call someone not Christian)
I believe the book of Mormon, and the book of genesis, are stories written by God. but I don't believe in any church or the Mormon prophets.

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You are free to believe what you want. But I will say, again, that you asked for an example and I gave you one. And you did not even try to refute it. Instead you moved the parameters of your argument. You also said you don't even believe in the Book of Mormon and now, in this response, you say it is written by God.

You write, very snarkily, about how I think the church of Jesus Christ of LDS...denies Christ..."right." I will give you this analogy: if you paint an apple orange, what kind of fruit do you have? Suppose the apple could speak and say, "Look at me, I am an orange!" How would you respond?

This is what the Mormon's have done, painted themselves with Christian teachings. On the surface they sure seem like they are Christian, but when you take the bite you will know by the taste of it. Rather than finding out that way, slice it open with the word of God and see what it is before eating it.

Take that as you may, I write it only to spur you towards truth. In the end you don't have to agree with me, nor I with you.

What if all us us stood before God for review of our lives.
We stand firm, knowing why we believe what we believe, ready to strut though the pearly gates.
Then Yeshua takes all of our beliefs and burns the pages. We would stand aghast. What would we have left? Oh yes, our good works. Our years of being a Sunday school teacher or a bible study leader. Well, then he puts those things on the shelf. What will we be left with to show that we are a real child of God?

Then imagine he opens that pages that reveal your secret thoughts. You motives and intentions. The real reasons you partook in acts of service. What if he only looked at our hearts? Did we live out God's love in our lives? Did we lend with no expectation of return? Did we spend time with the outcasts because we want to show them Gods love? Did we go hungry so another could eat? Did we avoid the garbage on the tv radio and internet because we refuse to conform to the world?

Or...

did we not?

I cannot be dogmatic about all of this but I suspect things may look very similar to that.
Even the first century believers argued about the true origin of Yeshua. They argued about the trinity. They argued about the Torah law, what to eat, how to dress, ect. The fact is the the bible only gives us pictures and analogies of his true nature. No human can accurately explain any religious dogma in its truest form.
People always say the bible is simple and it interprets itself, but there are still 10's of thousands of various beliefs and many groups that have separated from the mass of Christianity.
Yes, there is no way to heaven but through Yeshua. But could it be that what he meant is that you cannot cheat your way into the kingdom my joining a group and wearing t-shirts with scriptures. Also, I do not believe he will either deny someone entry because of a misunderstanding of who God really is.

But perhaps one could get in because of the fruit of the spirit in their lives.

Just a thought.

Shempster said:

What will we be left with to show that we are a real child of God?

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The only thing that will show we are a real child of God is whether or not we have believed (trusted) in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ for salvation. Any good works that come out of that is only a response to his grace.

I understand that there are many denominations that interpret the Bible in different ways. To a degree, thats okay. But all Christian denominations agree on some core truths about the Lord: He is God, he died and rose again, he is part of the trinity, he created all things, etc.

I am a Baptist (denominationally), but I know that other churches believe this as well. I don't agree with a lot of things other denominations believe, but I can recognise their core beliefs to be in line with the word of God. Christianity centers on the person of Christ.

So when all things are laid out before God, it will behoove us to be clothed with the Christ of the Holy Bible. All other garments will be consumed.

Bee_Brian said:

What are the important things to learn as a Christian?

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I have been Born Again for 17 years and a Disciple of the Holy Spirit for the last 4 of those years. This is what is most important:

Get Born Again - John 3, Romans 8.
Try to understand how one gets Born Again - 1st Corinthians 1:17-End
Search for the Gospel Message
Ask everyone to tell you the Gospel Message.
Ask God to send true Evangelists to you, to tell you the Gospel Message and respond 100% honestly with 100% humility.

Then...

Daily:
Pray when you Wake Up
Read the Bible
Worship
Thank God before Eating or Drinking
Work
Share the Gospel
Keep the 10 Commandments
Reject Temptation by Praying for Rescue
Pray before Sleep

Often:
Celebrate the Covenant Meal, as often as you Eat Bread & Drink Wine, with a Fellow Born Again Believer.

Weekly:
Celebrate Creation - Fri Sunset to Sat Sunset
Bible Study - Saturday to Sunset
Celebrate Resurrection - Sat Sunset till Sleep

Bible Study: (Essentials)
What is God's name?
What does God the Father's name mean?
What does God the Angel's name mean?
What does God the Messiah's name mean?
What is the Holy Spirit?
How are they all One?
What is the name of God's People?
What is the Gospel Message?
How Does Salvation Work?
How Does Evangelism Work?
Understand the Old Covenant
Understand the New Covenant
Compare Genesis to Gospels & Revelation
Who invented the name Christian?
What did the word Church come from?
What was the Purpose of the Reformation?
What caused the 2nd Reformation?

Get the answers from God directly, by praying in Messiah's name.

Fasting:
Weekly or Monthly, depending on your need for God's help and development of control over your body's desires.

Yearly:
Celebrate the 7 Feasts, which are foreshadows of Messiah:
Passover
First Fruits
Unleavened Bread
Feast of 7 Weeks
Feast of the Horn Blast
Feast of the Covering Sacrifice
Feast of Tabernacles
Feast Jubilee - Every 50 Years

least said:

You are free to believe what you want. But I will say, again, that you asked for an example and I gave you one. And you did not even try to refute it. Instead you moved the parameters of your argument. You also said you don't even believe in the Book of Mormon and now, in this response, you say it is written by God.

You write, very snarkily, about how I think the church of Jesus Christ of LDS...denies Christ..."right." I will give you this an: ifalogy you paint an apple orange, what kind of fruit do you have? Suppose the apple could speak and say, "Look at me, I am an orange!" How would you respond?

This is what the Mormon's have done, painted themselves with Christian teachings. On the surface they sure seem like they are Christian, but when you take the bite you will know by the taste of it. Rather than finding out that way, slice it open with the word of God and see what it is before eating it.

Take that as you may, I write it only to spur you towards truth. In the end you don't have to agree with me, nor I with you.

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your example showed that they are wrong about something I agree they are wrong about. so I didn't refute your example.
but that belief in not fundamentally incompatible with the bible.
I wrote "right" because they said like a million times that they belive in jesus. and belive he is a God. and they except every thing he teached.
and they on average do the best job at following him.
and what you said was the exact opposite.
that they reject him+ are not Christian+ even if they make great videos about him it needs to be rejected. because they made it.

your mistake seem to me to originate from putting the belief in the trinity as a requirement to be Christian.
which doesn't make sense. sense jesus prayed TO God(יהוה). not to himself. he said you, and other words that mean he was talking to someone else. when he was talking to God.
he never said he is was yehova(יהוה), or any other word that mean the creator of humanity.
he was called(אל) which can be any God.
he is called the first and the last in the book of revelation. but that's that is a book by an unknown false prophet. that made prophesies that failed like that jesus would come after a 1000 years and rein for a 1000 year. that the devil will be locked for a 1000 years. that those where the last days. and others.
you said Jesus excepted worship. God(יהוה) said not to worship other God instead of him(עַל פָּנָי= instead of me. word by word meaning "on my face". translated to English as before me).
worshiping jesus was not instead of yehova but the opposite. so no problem with that.
there are those that think they must be one. because of belief that there is only one God.
but Genesis 3:22 says there are more than one:
"And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:"

anyway one thing we definitely agree on is do onto others as you would have them do to you.
how would you feel if most people around you would say you are not Christian, even though you say you are + rejects Christ, even though you say you accept him+ boycott things you made or said just because you made/said it?.

noam burde said:

your example showed that they are wrong about something I agree they are wrong about. so I didn't refute your example.
but that belief in not fundamentally incompatible with the bible.
I wrote "right" because they said like a million times that they belive in jesus. and belive he is a God. and they except every thing he teached.
and they on average do the best job at following him.
and what you said was the exact opposite.
that they reject him+ are not Christian+ even if they make great videos about him it needs to be rejected. because they made it.

your mistake seem to me to originate from putting the belief in the trinity as a requirement to be Christian.
which doesn't make sense. sense jesus prayed TO God(יהוה). not to himself. he said you, and other words that mean he was talking to someone else. when he was talking to God.
he never said he is was yehova(יהוה), or any other word that mean the creator of humanity.
he was called(אל) which can be any God.
he is called the first and the last in the book of revelation. but that's that is a book by an unknown false prophet. that made prophesies that failed like that jesus would come after a 1000 years and rein for a 1000 year. that the devil will be locked for a 1000 years. that those where the last days. and others.
you said Jesus excepted worship. God(יהוה) said not to worship other God instead of him(עַל פָּנָי= instead of me. word by word meaning "on my face". translated to English as before me).
worshiping jesus was not instead of yehova but the opposite. so no problem with that.
there are those that think they must be one. because of belief that there is only one God.
but Genesis 3:22 says there are more than one:
"And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:"

anyway one thing we definitely agree on is do onto others as you would have them do to you.
how would you feel if most people around you would say you are not Christian, even though you say you are + rejects Christ, even though you say you accept him+ boycott things you made or said just because you made/said it?.

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I don't care what people say about me. I care about people knowing the truth. If someone is teaching something that is contrary to Scripture, should I just clap my hands and say "Praise the Lord?" Or should I attempt to persuade them of truth.

Now, I am never going to force my beliefs on anyone, but I will certainly give a defense for what I believe. Does he not say, "Speak the truth in love?" But you may say, "Telling someone they are not a Christian is unloving." However, if they are purposely deceiving others and leading them away from the truth, am I loving them if I don't speak up? The Apostle Paul wrote a great deal against false teachings; was he unloving?

Let me ask you this, have you looked into their beliefs? Do you realize that they believe God was once a man on a former world and he worked his way to deity through his obedience to his God before him. And his God did the same prior to that?

Did you know the mormons believe the Holy Spirit is also a spirit son just like you and I? That the Father is flesh and bone, like we are? That one day you can be a god just like Heavenly Father?

Do you know of the shady character of Joseph Smith? How he treated women? How he was a criminal?

Do you even care enough to look into it? Or perhaps you are a universalist who believes all paths lead to God? How dare someone criticize another!

But remember that young minds are both present and impressionable. They need to hear the truth. They need to know about wolves who dress in sheep's clothing. The Mormon Church is a wolf!

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least said:

I don't care what people say about me. I care about people knowing the truth. If someone is teaching something that is contrary to Scripture, should I just clap my hands and say "Praise the Lord?" Or should I attempt to persuade them of truth.

Now, I am never going to force my beliefs on anyone, but I will certainly give a defense for what I believe. Does he not say, "Speak the truth in love?" But you may say, "Telling someone they are not a Christian is unloving." However, if they are purposely deceiving others and leading them away from the truth, am I loving them if I don't speak up? The Apostle Paul wrote a great deal against false teachings; was he unloving?

Let me ask you this, have you looked into their beliefs? Do you realize that they believe God was once a man on a former world and he worked his way to deity through his obedience to his God before him. And his God did the same prior to that?

Did you know the mormons believe the Holy Spirit is also a spirit son just like you and I? That the Father is flesh and bone, like we are? That one day you can be a god just like Heavenly Father?

Do you know of the shady character of Joseph Smith? How he treated women? How he was a criminal?

Do you even care enough to look into it? Or perhaps you are a universalist who believes all paths lead to God? How dare someone criticize another!

But remember that young minds are both present and impressionable. They need to hear the truth. They need to know about wolves who dress in sheep's clothing. The Mormon Church is a wolf!

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I know joseph smith was a weird and maybe bad person.
but I don't believe in him, or in Paul the self declared apostle, or Muhamad or any other failed prophets.
only in the ones of the old testament and the gospel. because they made at least 100 supernatural verified prophesies and no failed prophesies.
like Jesus said "by their fruits you will know them".
the book 100 prophesies is a good source about this.
so the originals are right but after them there was no true prophets. only a one story given by God. which is the book of Mormon. like the book of genesis was given to just some man to give to the world. that was not meant to have a role beyond this.
but joseph smith being an opportunist claimed to be a prophet because of this. and started giving prophesies that soon failed.
I also have my own way of understanding things. that is not always in line with Christianity. so I don't really think any group is RIGHT. I just think people should try to understand right. and not be judgmental too much in the process.
I agree that the Mormon church is a wolf.
but so is any one else who gets to so high points of power in this world. including any major church leader.
success in this world and righteousness are contradictory(without God making miricales).
good night

Bee_Brian said:

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For example, which Bible verses should I learn? What is the history of Christianity? What are the most important teachings of Christ?

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I think the most important teaching is that we should love others as ourselves.

Jesus said to him, "'You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.' This is the first and great commandment. A second likewise is this, 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.
Mat. 22:37-39

But I think it would be good to read the whole Bible multiple times and ask God to help you to understand it.

Bee_Brian said:

What are the important things to learn as a Christian?



I have very little knowledge of my own religion, which is a shame... So I want to know, what should I learn and what should I study?

For example, which Bible verses should I learn? What is the history of Christianity? What are the most important teachings of Christ?

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John 3:16

Acts 2:38

matthew 22:37 (This is a major scripture especially for Jews)

there are other scriptures that are good to learn but those 3 are some core scriptures.


What books to study starting out:

1. Acts (first church)

2. Genesis first few chapters (if you haven't already)

3. John

after that its up to you.


Most important teachings of christ

All of them are important but these stand out for me.

1. How to be saved which you get great examples of in acts

2. Love others as yourself/charity and stuff

3. prayer/knowing the word

4. you can be free of sin
Romans 6:18

Bee_Brian said:

What are the important things to learn as a Christian?



I have very little knowledge of my own religion, which is a shame... So I want to know, what should I learn and what should I study?

For example, which Bible verses should I learn? What is the history of Christianity? What are the most important teachings of Christ?

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Its wise to ask. Yet.. where are you asking and who answers? YEAH! This could put you down the wrong path. Jesus is real. Matt-John is a great start. But.. KNOW He is real. Ask HIM to open your eyes so you can see. Tell Him you will believe ANYTHING and everything HE says not man. So many do not know HIM. Believe and are saved yes. The Father of our Lord Jesus Christ is REAL! The sweet sweet Holy Spirit is real. If you WONDER about ANYTHING.. ask HIM. The KEY here is to be like a child. Just believe.

Jesus said, Its to love the lord your God with all your heart all your soul and mind. And to love your neighbor as your self. Seek 1st the kingdom of GOD and His righteousness and all these things shall be added unto you. <---His word. Any time you wonder if HE hears you.. repent of sin you have done or doing. And He will forgive and cleans you from ALL unrighteousness. Forgive all love all.. Things like that. So you know there is NOTHING standing between you and Him. Even if you wonder still ask HIM to show you anything. Again so you know.. you have no doubts HE HEARS YOU!

Go go by feelings or what you see hear. We walk by faith. Without faith its impossible to please Him. And we have all been given a measure of faith. So yes.. you have faith. And its flying a kite where there is no wind. Its calling those things that be not as though they were. Its the hope ..the evidence of things not seen. So yeah.. your GOD is your dad.. your best friend.. your GOD! He is FOR YOU. With you. One can not question this. It is fact. It is true. Question because HE said HE will never leave you nor forsake you. So no matter how you FEEL He IS there!

So.. pick up that word.. ask HIM to show you what HE said...what HE wants you to see. Say it in your words. He hears you