Set readings like RCC in a Protestant church?

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Yeah - that happens unfortunately.

You live in or near Tampa FL, right?

There is Shoresh David - which seems to be affiliated with the MJAA. Is that the one you were talking about?

Yep, I live just north of the main city proper in Citrus Park. That is indeed the MJ community. It was an OK service, and my Grandmother loves it, but to me it was just like many non-denom churches with the name "Jesus" replaced with "Yeshua".

What else do you find you have had to give up besides a set pattern of readings?


Well, yes, there are plenty of differences, beliefs and practices that the RCC has that other churches do not that I have had to give up. However, when I went into the RCC I was married to a cradle Catholic and our marriage was convalidated. Fast forward nearly 10 years and we divorced but our marriage was valid so there is no way to be in good conscience with the RCC now as I am re-married with a son on the way. Further, I have a very difficult time with the Catholic Church as my marriage disintegrated in the RCC where I was active weekly in the parish, member of KOC, and believed all the church taught. How could I do the right things, follow the guide of the church and then have that marriage fall apart? That marriage disintegration saw me almost abandon the Christian faith entirely for first Judaism, then Buddhism, but finally I am back and my faith is strong again. Going back to the RCC is not a possibility.
 
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I believe the Anglican/Church of England/Episcopal church follows the same reading schedule that the Catholics do.

I can't remember where I saw it, but I remember reading somewhere recently that the current Roman Catholic practice was adopted from the Anglicans after Vatican II.
 
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I can't remember where I saw it, but I remember reading somewhere recently that the current Roman Catholic practice was adopted from the Anglicans after Vatican II.

I am sure it is influenced by it, but technically it is the other way around to my understanding. I believe the common lectionary used by Anglicans and others was revised in the mid 70s and again in the 80's and the RCC lectionary was the basis to start from, along with the old common lectionary.
 
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Well, yes, there are plenty of differences, beliefs and practices that the RCC has that other churches do not that I have had to give up. However, when I went into the RCC I was married to a cradle Catholic and our marriage was convalidated. Fast forward nearly 10 years and we divorced but our marriage was valid so there is no way to be in good conscience with the RCC now as I am re-married with a son on the way. Further, I have a very difficult time with the Catholic Church as my marriage disintegrated in the RCC where I was active weekly in the parish, member of KOC, and believed all the church taught. How could I do the right things, follow the guide of the church and then have that marriage fall apart? That marriage disintegration saw me almost abandon the Christian faith entirely for first Judaism, then Buddhism, but finally I am back and my faith is strong again. Going back to the RCC is not a possibility.
That all sounds painful. I am glad you are recovering your faith. Thinking you were doing everything you could for a happy marriage and then having it crash and burn anyhow would be awful. Catholics divorce as much as anyone. The more faithful ones less so but they still do. The ones who do natural family planning have tiny divorce rates but it still does happen. Frustrating. It would shake my faith too.

You mention a 'convalidated' marriage, which indicates to me that your marriage was irregular somehow and you straightened out that irregularity at the same time you became Catholic. My only comment to that would be that without other evidence a marriage is presumed valid. If yours had an irregularity that was fixed, it is presumed that all other aspects were valid. But maybe they were not. A 'convalidated' marriage does not mean that the marriage was valid in all aspects, just that the one problem aspect was resolved. I don't know if you have investigated an annulment but it might be possible. It all depends. A canon lawyer might be able to offer sound advice. Don't presume it is impossible that your marriage may have been invalid without such a discussion.

You may have Catholic options. Don't give up on the possibility. Do consult with a canon lawyer who works in a marriage tribunal. See where that goes. Don't presume unless you already have a conclusion from your diocesan marriage tribunal. What might seem obvious to you now might not be. Every case is different and I can't even begin to speculate on your situation. Nor should I.
 
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I was not Catholic when we married, and the marriage service was done out of the country. When we returned the marriage was convalidated in a Catholic church a few months later. I became Catholic a couple of years after that, but had attended the RCC for 5 years or so before becoming Catholic.

I thank you for your vigor for the RCC faith and kind words. However, while I view the RCC in a very good light, it is just not for me any longer. I have always maintained that one should be in the church that brings them closest to Christ, be it the RCC, EO, Lutheran, or even Non-denom. Father Benedict Groechel used to say something similar. For me, that church is not the RCC any longer, but I believe I can find it in the Lutheran, UMC, or a similar "high church".

Again, thank you for your words. :)
 
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Thanks! Yes, I thought they probably did, but they are not an option for my wife as she feels they are "too Catholic". I actually was aware of the idea being an ancient one, that is one thing I like about a set liturgy, the continuation and adaption of the Jewish liturgy to Christianity. Again, thank you! :)

Everyone is responsible for their own faith as well as their own path to salvation.
Don't let your wife take this choice for you.

Be sure to follow your conviction.
 
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Everyone is responsible for their own faith as well as their own path to salvation.
Don't let your wife take this choice for you.

Be sure to follow your conviction.

I am sure you mean well, but I think you might have not read my other post on how I got to this point. Being back in the Christian church is a blessing, being in the Catholic Church is not something I can do at this time based on my life experience to this point. If it were not for my wife there is a very good possibility I would have lapsed completely and converted to Judaism.

As you say, my convictions make me feel that I have to be in a different path, and that path is the Lutheran Church at this time.
 
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I am sure you mean well, but I think you might have not read my other post on how I got to this point. Being back in the Christian church is a blessing, being in the Catholic Church is not something I can do at this time based on my life experience to this point. If it were not for my wife there is a very good possibility I would have lapsed completely and converted to Judaism.

As you say, my convictions make me feel that I have to be in a different path, and that path is the Lutheran Church at this time.

I'm so sloppy at times, I read through the thread and I see your point.
My fault.

If you're going Lutheran I'd recommend the Missouri synod.

I hope you sort things out.
God bless.
 
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I'm so sloppy at times, I read through the thread and I see your point.
My fault.

If you're going Lutheran I'd recommend the Missouri synod.

I hope you sort things out.
God bless.

Ha, I understand, no worries :)

Yes, I have been to a MS parishe near me, probably a little over a mile away. Unfortunately they are liturgically liberal/modern and only offer communion monthly, and for the most part are a "contemporary" style of service. The ELCA parish I have attended and was married in is liturgically conservative and the pastor is Biblically sound. It is a small parish, perhaps 75 people weekly in attendance. Another parish, which is closer, is also ELCA and Biblically sound, with a conservative service (and incredible choir), but the sermons leave a bit to be desired.
 
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Ha, I understand, no worries :)

Yes, I have been to a MS parishe near me, probably a little over a mile away. Unfortunately they are liturgically liberal/modern and only offer communion monthly, and for the most part are a "contemporary" style of service. The ELCA parish I have attended and was married in is liturgically conservative and the pastor is Biblically sound. It is a small parish, perhaps 75 people weekly in attendance. Another parish, which is closer, is also ELCA and Biblically sound, with a conservative service (and incredible choir), but the sermons leave a bit to be desired.
Hmm. That poses a dilemma, I suppose. The ELCA itself isn't conservative in doctrine, so it's probably a rare congregation that can reject the policies approved of by the national...and get away with it.

That said, there are indeed MS congregations that are modernistic or casual in worship style (which I, too, find disappointing) whereas the ELCA's congregations, however liberal they may be on doctrine, socio-political issues, and all of that, are more liturgical and traditional in worship.
 
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Hmm. That poses a dilemma, I suppose. The ELCA itself isn't conservative in doctrine, so it's probably a rare congregation that can reject the policies approved of by the national...and get away with it.

That said, there are indeed MS congregations that are modernistic or casual in worship style (which I, too, find disappointing) whereas the ELCA's congregations, however liberal they may be on doctrine, socio-political issues, and all of that, are more liturgical and traditional in worship.

You hit the nail on the head. It was subtle, but I said the ELCA parish was Biblically sound, but I did not say conservative in doctrine...the pastor I have been around the most is what I believe is Biblically sound, but is mostly in line with the national church issues. :)
 
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On LGBT issues and political policy? Those are almost always justified by the denomination on the basis of some doctrinal/Biblical argument.
True, an argument I find a decent point and can see their point of view in in regards to the ELCA. :)
 
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