Who is in control of this world?

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Ephesians 6:12 [Full Chapter]
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
 
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What seems apparent to me is that it is the nature of man's hostility to man that has changed and probably largely as a result of technology. So the ordinary citizen can use the Internet to corrupt minds with hatred, teach people how to make bombs and suicide belts, create destructive computer viruses to damage business, etc. Meanwhile, wars are generally fought in poorer countries with the big players like America, Russia, China and to a lesser extent the UK supplying arms to whichever side they choose to support. The big players don't dare risk direct conflict because their weapons are so powerful that it would probably ultimately end up with the majority of life on the planet being wiped out, or else a return to the Dark Ages. Meanwhile, within the developed countries, man's inhumanity to man continues on a smaller scale; murder, rape, stabbings, shootings (even by the Police in some areas). Aren't we all supposed to be related (descendants of Adam and Eve), so how can we do such things to one another? What kind of human being inflicts horrendous injury with a cowhide because their victim's skin is a different colour, beats another because they have broken a law of a god called "Allah" or throws acid over someone because their so-called "honour" has been compromised? These I believe are the works of Satan and his demons. But Satan is also working in a more subtle way to try to turn people away from God by planting anti-Biblical ideas in their minds and since he now has at his disposal the worldwide web and other mass media, it has become much easier to spread his lies and corrupt vulnerable minds. This is the modern day warfare and we have to recognise it for what it is and not become complacent.
 
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I sometimes wonder whether God or Satan is currently in control of this world.

Let me give just one example: A famine in Africa. We’ve all seen the pictures on TV of people starving to death; even children. Now we could say that this is all man’s fault because if everyone worked together on the continent of Africa, it could be one of the wealthiest continents on the planet. Think about it – Africa has precious minerals like gold, diamonds, a desert area where sunshine could be turned into electricity, wetter areas to grow crops, wonderful beaches and game reserves for tourists, oil for fuel and so on. But instead of working together for the common good, we see corruption, fighting, barbarity in the name of a god called “Allah”, etc. So we could put the blame 100% on man’s actions. But what about if a significant cause could be attributed to lack of rainfall. It begs the question, why doesn’t God at least send rain to help people grow their crops and feed themselves? Or is Satan being allowed to wreak even more misery that he has already done since the fall of creation? Or (third option), is the planet running on autopilot and as such, these things are bound to happen? Has anyone any ideas on this that they could share?
During the most recent Ice Age, over 10,000 years ago, Northern Africa was wetter. Archaeologists found evidence of a wetter climate. Since then the globe has warmed, the glaciers have receded and the area became arid. Parts of the Sahara get less than a tenth of an inch of rain per year. Praying for rain in those areas is a waste of time.

Why did couples have large families in areas already starving? This is not God's fault. The scriptures contain warnings against lust.

People who seek God's wisdom and advice may find the truth and do better for having believed. When there is failure, they say it is the Satan's work. The word Satan is part of a metaphor or allegory.
 
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On the matter of how war and violence have changed over time:

From an article in Boston Globe:

For nearly two-thirds of a century, from 1945 to 2011, war had been in overall decline. The global death rate had fallen from 22 per 100,000 people to 0.3.
 
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Again, on the matter of changes in the frequency and magnitudes of wars. From Harvard professor Steven Pinker (I added bolding):

War appears to be in decline
. In the two-thirds of a century since the end of World War II, the great powers, and developed states in general, have rarely faced each other on the battlefield, a historically unprecedented state of affairs (Gaddis, 1989; Gat, 2006; Gleditsch, 2008; Holsti, 1986; Howard, 1991; Jervis, 1988; Keegan, 1993; Luard, 1988; Mueller, 1989, 2004, 2009; Payne, 2004; Ray, 1989); see Pinker (2011), chapter 5, for a review). Contrary to expert predictions, the United States and the Soviet Union did not launch World War III, nor have any of the great powers fought each other since the end of the Korean War in 1953. After a six-hundred year stretch in which Western European countries started two new wars a year, they haven’t started one since 1945. Nor have the forty or so richest nations anywhere in the world engaged each other in armed conflict.

In another pleasant surprise, since the end of the Cold War in 1989, wars of all kinds have declined throughout the world (Gleditsch, 2008; Goldstein, 2011; Human_Security_Centre, 2005; Human_Security_Report_Project, 2007, 2009, 2011; Lacina, Russett, & Gleditsch, 2005); see (Pinker, 2011), chapter 6, for a review). Wars between states have become extremely rare, and civil wars, after increasing in number from the 1960s through the 1990s, have declined in number. The worldwide rate of death from interstate and civil war combined has juddered downward as well, from almost 300 per 100,000 world population during World War II, to almost 30 during the Korean War, to the low teens during the era of the VietnamWar, to single digits in the 1970s and 1980s, to less than 1 in the 21st century.
 
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The Book of Job is a parabolic work, it's not a real story silly.

Say's Who? There are plenty of Bible scholar's who say that Job was a real person and the story is real. Putting that aside the teaching of the story is not parabolic, God gives Satan power over some people to test them.
 
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Say's Who? There are plenty of Bible scholar's who say that Job was a real person and the story is real. Putting that aside the teaching of the story is not parabolic, God gives Satan power over some people to test them.
I don't belive that God is in partnership with evil. It was not Gods will for Satan to rebel and mislead. Besides, Satan is gone.
 
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On the matter of how war and violence have changed over time:

From an article in Boston Globe:

For nearly two-thirds of a century, from 1945 to 2011, war had been in overall decline. The global death rate had fallen from 22 per 100,000 people to 0.3.
How about from 1911-2011? After all a century is 100 years. Compared to the previous 100. Are they saying it was 22 per 100,000 between 1911 and 1945? Also if we fast forward into the future, the industrial age beginning in the 19th century and possibly ending with a future technological age will count as one epoch.
 
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People who seek God's wisdom and advice may find the truth and do better for having believed. When there is failure, they say it is the Satan's work. The word Satan is part of a metaphor or allegory.
That's what Satan wants people to believe, that he is just an allegory. It's all part of his deception.
 
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How about from 1911-2011? After all a century is 100 years. Compared to the previous 100. Are they saying it was 22 per 100,000 between 1911 and 1945?
Fair point. The attached chart may be a little hard to understand, but the height of each dot represents the death rate in the conflict represented by the dot. The chart represents wars from 1400 to 2000. We know that that the last 60 years have seen a dramatic decline in death from war. I suggest that the chart show that things are certainly not getting any worse, on average.

The red line is the key thing to look at - it presents the military and civilian death rate. And that is what matters. I agree that up to about 1950, there is no clear downward trend. However, the last 60 years have seen a dramatic fall-off in the death rate from war.
 

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First of all, This world is not under the power of the "price of darkness" for he is powerless. This world is under the power of Jesus Christ. Satan does NOT rule the earth today, Jesus Christ does. Satan has absolutely no power today to keep ANYONE from salvation.
His head has been crushed. He is a defeated foe.

Satan was bound/judged/cast out by Christ's ministry, reversing satan's dominion over the People of God, granting power over all darkness to the saints, and immediately enabling the gospel to spread to all nations.
(John 12:31 and Matt 12:28-29, Heb 2:14-15 and 1 John 3:8).

Jesus Christ is the King of Kings and Lord of Lords yesterday, today, and evermore. ALL power and dominion are His. There is nothing that is not already under his rule.

Matthew 28:18
And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, ALL POWER is given unto me in heaven AND IN EARTH.

Revelation 1:5
...Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, AND THE PRINCE OF THE KINGS OF THE EARTH.

Secondly, Compared to the state of the planet 2000 years ago, there is no question that both the moral sense and the covenantal reality of nations have been radically changed for the better by Christ and the Church. Here's a great quote from David Chilton about the progress of Christendom:

"Examples could be multiplied in every field. The whole rise of Western Civilization - science and technology, medicine, the arts, constitutionalism, the jury system, free enterprise, literacy, increasing productivity, a rising standard of living, the high status of women - is attributable to one major fact: the West has been transformed by Christianity. True, the transformation is not yet complete. There are many battles ahead. But the point is that, even in what is still largely an early Christian civilization, God has showered us with blessings." - David Chilton

The globe is infinitely better off than it was 2000 years ago. Because of Christianity, the knowledge of God is no longer geographically and tribally restricted. Christianity takes the covenant and extends it everywhere. And, everywhere Christianity is accepted, paganism is defeated. The world, because of the powers of the Cross and Christ's rulership, has become improved and will continue to become improved according to God's sovereign determination.

Christianity is very young. When compared to those advances made under the Mosaic system, the true Christian faith has established its unstoppable supremacy by every metric. Christ's Kingdom has spread like a virus all over the world in 20 centuries. In 20 more centuries, the entire globe will consist of mostly Christianized nations. From there, as the covenant laws continue to find greater application and integration, those countries will achieve a sanctification on par with the greatest of saints. Nothing can stop this progress, for the powers of the Cross and Christ's Church are without equal.

The world will be better and always improving over time. It has no option. There is no power on earth that can overcome Christ's mediatory priesthood and supreme teachings.
 
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On the issue of literacy, here is a statistic from the web (if someone wants me to provide information about the credibility of the source, I will do what I can):

From a historical perspective, literacy levels for the world population have risen drastically in the last couple of centuries. While only 12% of the people in the world could read and write in 1820, today the share has reversed: only 17% of the world population remains illiterate.
 
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On the matter of poverty, and from the Economist (a reputable source, I suggest). You can skip to the stuff in bold if you want:

POVERTY is easy to spot but hard to define. America sets its poverty line at $11,490 of income per year for a one-person household, or just over $30 a day. Any income below that amount is judged inadequate for the provision of fundamental wants. Other rich countries set their poverty lines in relative terms, so an increase in the incomes of top earners results in more poverty if everything else is held constant. The threshold for dire poverty in developing countries is set much lower, at $1.25 a day of consumption (rather than income). This figure is arrived at by averaging the poverty lines in the 15 poorest countries, not because $1.26 spells comfort. This is the yardstick by which poverty reduction in poor countries is measured. Remarkably, this poverty rate has halved worldwide, from 43% in 1990 to 21% in 2010.
 
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Someone has opined that "a compelling narrative always trumps facts". In other words, once someone has bought into a particular "story" about how the world is unfolding and / or will unfold into the future, that person is inclined to reject facts - even well-established ones - that challenge that narrative.

I suggest this dynamic is at work in the Church. A large swath of Christians (primarily American ones, I politely suggest) have bought into the "Left Behind" narrative wherein the world will descend into chaos before Jesus returns to set all aright. I happen to believe that this model is Biblically incorrect; loosely speaking, I believe all those prophecies referred to events in and around the first century.

But if you believe the narrative that all that bad stuff still lies ahead, it is little wonder you are skeptical when presented with what I think are the clear facts: on average, and with appropriate qualifications, the world is indeed getting better.

However there is, happily, a Biblical narrative - and one I believe to be correct - that aligns with the facts: as another poster just argued, Jesus is Lord and He is slowly perhaps, yet inexorably transforming the world for the better.
 
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I sometimes wonder whether God or Satan is currently in control of this world.

Let me give just one example: A famine in Africa. We’ve all seen the pictures on TV of people starving to death; even children. Now we could say that this is all man’s fault because if everyone worked together on the continent of Africa, it could be one of the wealthiest continents on the planet. Think about it – Africa has precious minerals like gold, diamonds, a desert area where sunshine could be turned into electricity, wetter areas to grow crops, wonderful beaches and game reserves for tourists, oil for fuel and so on. But instead of working together for the common good, we see corruption, fighting, barbarity in the name of a god called “Allah”, etc. So we could put the blame 100% on man’s actions. But what about if a significant cause could be attributed to lack of rainfall. It begs the question, why doesn’t God at least send rain to help people grow their crops and feed themselves? Or is Satan being allowed to wreak even more misery that he has already done since the fall of creation? Or (third option), is the planet running on autopilot and as such, these things are bound to happen? Has anyone any ideas on this that they could share?

There are so many sides to this coin

God cursed Ham and all of his descendants, which many Bible Scholars agree are the African people. Who are we to say that God's punishment is too great, or unfair to people probably hundreds of generations removed.

This whole post seems to be the equivalent of why does God let bad things happen? God has allowed death and sin to have a place in this world, until the appointed time that he passes judgement on all of it... but lets not forget that God knoweth how to deliver the godly from temptation and reserve the unjust unto the day of judgement.
 
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And that would be what books?

To me, any books that were written in the first and second centuries by authors or presbyters of oral tradition that heard the words Jesus spoke in his many teachings.

According to church fathers there were a sea of Gospels. Scholars estimate almost 200 by the end of the first century. Just Gospels Thomas and Philip clarify the orations of Jesus to a greater extent of spiritual knowledge. Gospel means good news. The canon Gospels are more the "Acts of Jesus" repeated. Great knowledge was spoken by Jesus, and it was suppressed by catholic ideology.

Question: If Jesus told the rich man to depart from his material possessions and follow him to be saved, why did the catholic idea change it for Constantine, who was a murderer and the richest man in the empire and made him a saint? My quest to answer questions like that made me turn to the early Christian writings. And what I found changed my life and my view of Nicene Creed Orthodoxy from Nazarene (30 years) to whatever you want to define me. I accept heretic, because I "know" what it means and have no fear of name calling or labels.

I believe we both love Jesus Christ and seek Gods will, as most people on this forum does as well.
 
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I sometimes wonder whether God or Satan is currently in control of this world.

Let me give just one example: A famine in Africa. We’ve all seen the pictures on TV of people starving to death; even children. Now we could say that this is all man’s fault because if everyone worked together on the continent of Africa, it could be one of the wealthiest continents on the planet. Think about it – Africa has precious minerals like gold, diamonds, a desert area where sunshine could be turned into electricity, wetter areas to grow crops, wonderful beaches and game reserves for tourists, oil for fuel and so on. But instead of working together for the common good, we see corruption, fighting, barbarity in the name of a god called “Allah”, etc. So we could put the blame 100% on man’s actions. But what about if a significant cause could be attributed to lack of rainfall. It begs the question, why doesn’t God at least send rain to help people grow their crops and feed themselves? Or is Satan being allowed to wreak even more misery that he has already done since the fall of creation? Or (third option), is the planet running on autopilot and as such, these things are bound to happen? Has anyone any ideas on this that they could share?


Question:

I sometimes wonder whether God or Satan is currently in control of this world....

...So we could put the blame 100% on man’s actions.

Response:

The planet and rest of the universe are presently mostly on autopilot and the Earth's governments are mostly under Satanic control.

1 John 5:
We know that we are of God, and that the whole world is under the power of the evil one.

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Question:

But what about if a significant cause could be attributed to lack of rainfall. It begs the question, why doesn’t God at least send rain to help people grow their crops and feed themselves? Or is Satan being allowed to wreak even more misery that he has already done since the fall of creation?



Response:

There is a principle involved in this related to cause and effect which is expressed in the following way:

Galatians 6:7
New International Version
Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows.

By choosing to reflect Satan’s egotistic personality, most of mankind has sown mostly selfishness and cruelty for personal social prestige, and has garnered ruin and destructions on both personal and social levels.

1 Timothy 6:10
9Those who want to be rich, however, fall into temptation and become ensnared by many foolish and harmful desires that plunge them into ruin and destruction. 10For the love of money is the root of all kinds of evil. By craving it, some have wandered away from the faith and pierced themselves with many sorrows.

Question:

Or (third option), is the planet running on autopilot and as such, these things are bound to happen? Has anyone any ideas on this that they could share?

Response:

Things are bound to happen because this isn't the way things were originally intended to have been. This present situation, both natural and social, is an abominable aberration, a complete deviation from the paradise Earth with a perfect mankind that was originally planned.

But not just the Earth but the rest of the material universe is in a state of decay and described as if it were groaning and awaiting a time of restoration or a liberation from decay.

Romans 8:22
21that the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to decay and brought into the glorious freedom of the children of God. 22We know that the whole creation has been groaning together in the pains of childbirth until the present time.

 
Heaven must receive him until the time comes for God to restore everything, as he promised long ago through his holy prophets.


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