REVELATION HAS ALREADY HAPPENED?

Solomons Porch said:

This is for opinion based and would like if you would give reasons why you support the idea. After reading some posts the past few weeks it seems that some people feel that the book of Revelation has already passed and is not to come in the future. I do not want to call individuals out that make these claims, but I am interested in others thoughts on the matter. Has the book of Revelation already been completed and fulfilled? And if so could you please explain, or if you think we are in a certain chapter of Revelation at this time, could you explain where and why. Thanks and God Bless !!

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Has the book of Revelation already been completed and fulfilled? And if so could you please explain, or if you think we are in a certain chapter of Revelation at this time, could you explain where and why.

Well some prophecies of the Book of Revelations have been fulfilled - over the ages after the apostles died. History showed the progression of their fulfillment and people of the world were unaware of it happening - or they just did not care.

The prophecies are divided in sevens:
Seven seals - all are fulfilled
Seven trumpets - not yet fulfilled
Seven thunders - not yet fulfilled / unwritten and secret
Seven bowls of anger - not yet fulfilled

Let us discuss Chapter 6 hopefully we end up with all seven seals revealed. I could not explain the seven trumpets to the seven bowls because these have not happened yet.

Revelation 6 New International Version (NIV)

I watched as the Lamb opened the first of the seven seals.

Then I heard one of the four living creatures say in a voice like thunder, “Come!”

I looked, and there before me was a white horse! Its rider held a bow, and he was given a crown, and he rode out as a conqueror bent on conquest.

This was fulfilled sometime in the 4th Century AD. It is all about the rise of the false prophet (all in white as in sheep's clothing) and was given authority by someone (hence the crown) - the religion became a state religion. His conquest is to conquer all people. State church of the Roman Empire - Wikipedia

When the Lamb opened the second seal, I heard the second living creature say, “Come!”

Then another horse came out, a fiery red one. Its rider was given power to take peace from the earth and to make people kill each other. To him was given a large sword.

This was fulfilled in the 11th to 13th Century AD.
Crusades - Wikipedia

When the Lamb opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature say, “Come!”

I looked, and there before me was a black horse! Its rider was holding a pair of scales in his hand. Then I heard what sounded like a voice among the four living creatures, saying, “Two pounds of wheat for a day’s wages, and six pounds of barley for a day’s wages, and do not damage the oil and the wine!”

This was fulfilled in the 14th Century AD.
Great Famine of 1315–17 - Wikipedia

When the Lamb opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth living creature say, “Come!”

I looked, and there before me was a pale horse! Its rider was named Death, and Hades was following close behind him. They were given power over a fourth of the earth to kill by sword, famine and plague, and by the wild beasts of the earth.

This was fulfilled in the 14th Century AD right after the Great Famine of 1315.
Black Death - Wikipedia

When he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain because of the word of God and the testimony they had maintained. They called out in a loud voice, “How long, Sovereign Lord, holy and true, until you judge the inhabitants of the earth and avenge our blood?” Then each of them was given a white robe, and they were told to wait a little longer, until the full number of their fellow servants, their brothers and sisters, were killed just as they had been.

Fulfilled right after the black plague. The prosecution of witchcraft generally became more prominent throughout the late medieval and Renaissance era, perhaps driven partly by the upheavals of the era – the Black Death, Hundred Years War, and a gradual cooling of the climate that modern scientists call the Little Ice Age (between about the 15th and 19th centuries). Witches were sometimes blamed. Inquisition - Wikipedia


I watched as he opened the sixth seal.

There was a great earthquake. The sun turned black like sackcloth made of goat hair, the whole moon turned blood red, and the stars in the sky fell to earth, as figs drop from a fig tree when shaken by a strong wind. The heavens receded like a scroll being rolled up, and every mountain and island was removed from its place.

Earthquake fulfilled in 1755 1755 Lisbon earthquake - Wikipedia
Sun turned black in 1780
New England's Dark Day - Wikipedia
The stars in the sky fell to earth in 1833
Leonid meteor shower 1833 | EarthSky.org

Then the kings of the earth, the princes, the generals, the rich, the mighty, and everyone else, both slave and free, hid in caves and among the rocks of the mountains. They called to the mountains and the rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! For the great day of their wrath has come, and who can withstand it?”

Fulfilled in World War 1 (1914-1918)
Photos show WW1 underground tunnels in France used by British troops | Daily Mail Online


There you have it the first seal to the sixth seal. Where is the seventh seal? It is on Chapter 8 and we are just on the 6th Chapter, maybe if I have time - I will tell all about it tomorrow together with the 7th. For now the 1st to the 6th seal are here - complete with references and the proofs that they were fulfilled.

We are now living on the time after the 7th seal.

Scary isn't it? Because after that it would be the 1st trumpet - and that alone is catastrophic.

Solomons Porch said:

This is for opinion based and would like if you would give reasons why you support the idea. After reading some posts the past few weeks it seems that some people feel that the book of Revelation has already passed and is not to come in the future. I do not want to call individuals out that make these claims, but I am interested in others thoughts on the matter. Has the book of Revelation already been completed and fulfilled? And if so could you please explain, or if you think we are in a certain chapter of Revelation at this time, could you explain where and why. Thanks and God Bless !!

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If.... modern Multiverse Theory is true......
and explains how Ezekiel chapter 37 can occur again and again and again.... then
some versions of Revelation would already have occurred.......

Here is what near death experiencer Dannion Brinkley was shown about the Mark of the Beast that may well have happened in another time line.

Dannion Brinkley, Saved By The Light, chapter 5

BOX 12: Technology & Virus

The 11th box was gone & I was into the 12th box. Its visions addressed an important event in the distant future, the decade of the 90's (remember, this was 1975), when many of the great changes would take place. In this box, I watched as a biological engineer from the Middle East found a way to alter DNA & create a biological virus that would be used in the manufacture of computer chips. This discovery allowed for huge strides in science & technology. Japan, China, & other countries of the Pacific Rim experienced boom times as a result of this discovery & became powers of incredible magnitude. Computer chips produced from this process found their way into virtually every form of technology, from cars & airplanes to vacuum cleaners & blenders.

Before the turn of the century, this man was among the richest in the world, so rich that he had a stranglehold on the world economy. Still the world welcomed him, since the computer chips he had designed somehow put the world on an even keel. Gradually, he succumbed to his own power. He began to think of himself as a deity & insisted on greater control of the world. With that extra control, he began to rule the world.

His method of rule was unique. Everyone in the world was mandated by law to have one of his computer chips inserted underneath his or her skin. This chip contained all of an individual's personal information. If a government agency wanted to know something, all it had to do was scan your chip with a special device. By doing so, it could discover everything about you, from where you worked & lived to your medical records & even what kind of illnesses you might get in the future.

There was an even more sinister side to this chip. A person's lifetime could be limited by programming this chip to dissolve & kill him with the viral substance it was made from. Lifetimes were controlled like this to avoid the cost that growing old places on the government. It was also used as a means of eliminating people with chronic illnesses that put a drain on the medical system. People who refused to have chips implanted in their bodies roamed as outcasts. They could not be employed & were denied government services.

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Multiverse Theory and multiple Ezekiel 37 type events.

History repeats itself.
Yes, the events in Revelation had happened and they will happen again....only with different names faces and specific events.

Solomons Porch said:

This is for opinion based and would like if you would give reasons why you support the idea. After reading some posts the past few weeks it seems that some people feel that the book of Revelation has already passed and is not to come in the future. I do not want to call individuals out that make these claims, but I am interested in others thoughts on the matter. Has the book of Revelation already been completed and fulfilled? And if so could you please explain, or if you think we are in a certain chapter of Revelation at this time, could you explain where and why. Thanks and God Bless !!

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IMO this is what leads me to believe all still must come to pass (yet future):

Matthew 24: NKJV
21 For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect’s sake those days will be shortened.

Wars have become more destructive as the ages pass. Don't think we are there yet, but our persecuted brethren around the world sure do see what they are going through as the worst. So perhaps applying exegesis we can say the worst has not happened yet as only parts are enduring tribulation. Just my thoughts.

The things described in the Revelation were to occur during the period of time referred to as the Lord's Day in which John describes himself as being via God's holy spirit by means of visions.

Rev 1: 9
I, John, your brother and partner in the tribulation and kingdom and perseverance that are in Jesus, was on the island of Patmos because of the word of God and my testimony about Jesus. 10On the Lord’s day I was in the Spirit, and I heard behind me a loud voice like a trumpet,

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The way I see it, yes it was fulfilled in 70 AD as a judgement against Israel.
But....
It was also a type and shadow of a future event that will bring this eon to a close and usher in the next one.

Dave-W said:

Emperor Domitian exiled hundreds of political opponents and religious zealots to unpopulated islands in the Greek archipelago. After his death in 96 ad they were pardoned by the Senate and returned to their homes. (those still alive)

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Actually this is a myth. Domitian is never recorded as sending anyone to the Greek islands--never to Patmos (despite the mistaken assertion of some historians). He is only ever recorded as having sent exiles to the islands off of the west coast of Italy.

OP: Q: Has the "Book of Revelation" already been completed and fulfilled?
A: No..of course not!

UNFULFILLED PROMISES IN THE BOOK OF REVELATION

Revelation 1(NASB)...The Revelation of Jesus THE Christ
1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show to His bond-servants,
the things which must SOON take place; (in the infinity "lens" of God)
and He sent and communicated it by His angel (name?) to His bond-servant John (the Elder, Gospel + letters writer),
2 who testified to the "word of God" and to the "testimony of Jesus Christ", even to all that he SAW.
(VISIONS? Spiritual revelation?)
3 Blessed is he who reads and those who hear the words of (this unfulfilled) PROPHESY,
and heed the things which are written in it; for the time is near.(in the infinity "lens" of God)

2:7 He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To him who overcomes, I will (is certain to) grant to eat of the tree of life which is in the Paradise of God.’

2:11 He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the "churches". He who overcomes will (is certain to) not be hurt by the "second death".’

2:17 He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To him who overcomes, to him I will (is certain to) give some of the hidden manna, and I will (is certain to) give him a white stone, and
a new name written on the stone which no one knows but he who receives it.’

...2:27B as I also have received authority from My Father; 28 and I will (is certain to) give him the morning star.
29 He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.’
3:5 5 He who overcomes will thus be clothed in white garments; and I will (is certain to) not erase his name from the "book of life", and I will (is certain to) confess his name before My Father and before His angels. 6 He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.’


3:11-13... 11 I am coming quickly; hold fast what you have, so that no one will take your crown.
12 He who overcomes, I will (is certain to) make him a pillar in the temple of My God, and he will not go out from it anymore; and I will write on him the name of My God, and the name of the city of My God, the new Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from My God, and My new name. 13 He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.’

3:20-22 20 Behold, I stand at the door and knock; if anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will (is certain to) come in to him and will dine with him, and he with Me. 21 He who overcomes, I will (is certain to) grant to him to sit down with Me
on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne. 22 He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.’”

7:16-17 They will hunger no longer, nor thirst anymore; nor will the sun beat down on them, nor any heat; 17 for the Lamb in the center of the throne will be their shepherd, and will guide them to springs of the "water of life"; and God will wipe every tear from their eyes.”

11:15B “The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of His Christ;
and He will reign forever and ever.”

13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the "beast",(anti-christ) for the number is that of a MAN ; and his number is (to be) six hundred and sixty-six.(666)

16:16 And they gathered them together to the place which in Hebrew is called [j]Har-Magedon

17: Victory for the Lamb
14 These will wage war against the Lamb, and the Lamb will overcome them,
because He is Lord of lords and King of kings, and those who are with Him are the called and chosen and faithful.”

19: Marriage of the Lamb
7 Let us rejoice and be glad and give the glory to Him,
for the marriage of the Lamb has come and His bride ("CHURCH") has made herself ready.” (for the Second Coming)8 It was given to her to clothe herself in fine linen, bright and clean; for the fine linen is the "righteous acts of the saints".(believers)

19: The Second Coming of Christ
11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse, and He who sat on it is called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and wages war.

19: Doom of the Beast (anti-christ) and False Prophet (anti-spirit)
20 And the beast was seized, and with him the false prophet who performed the signs in his presence,
by which he deceived those who had received the "mark of the beast" and those who worshiped his image; these two were thrown alive into the "lake of fire" which burns with brimstone.

20: all = satan abound for 1000 years and released
10 And the devil(satan/dragon/serpent) who deceived them was thrown into the "lake of fire" and brimstone,
where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

20:11-15 ==>SENTENCING of UNBELIEVERS: at the Great White Throne of God
15 And if anyone’s name was not found written in the (Lamb's "book of life", he was thrown into the "lake of fire".

Revelation 21:1-27...The New Heaven and New Earth and New Jerusalem
27 and nothing unclean, and no one who practices abomination and lying, shall ever come into it,
but only those whose names are written in the Lamb’s "book of life".

Revelation 22...the FINAL MESSAGE!
10 And he (JESUS) said to me (John),
“Do not seal up the words of the PROPHESY of this book, for the time is near.(in the infinity "lens" of God)
13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.”
17 (God)The (Holy) Spirit and the bride ("CHURCH") say, “Come.”
And let the one who hears say, “Come.”
And let the one who is thirsty come;
let the one who wishes take "the water of life" (ETERNAL SPIRITUAL LIFE) without cost.
Come, Lord Jesus.(Maranatha!)
21 The grace of the Lord Jesus be with all. Amen.

I thought Preterists were not allowed to post among true Christ-followers.

futurism:

Futurism was an artistic and social movement that originated in Italy in the early 20th century.
Futurism - Wikipedia

Preterism:

Preterism Refuted

According to Preterists…
• The Tribulation
• The Antichrist
• The Abomination of Desolation
• Jesus’ Second Coming (Matthew 24; Revelation 19)
…are all things of the PAST.
Many preterists believe that these things were fulfilled in the turmoil and political upheaval
that ensued when Jerusalem was sacked by Rome and most of its inhabitants were slaughtered in A.D. 70.

Preterism: Examined & Refuted

http://www.preteristarchive.com/CriticalArticles/1999-2000_faust_noe-refuted.html\

Cracking the Code of Preterism

More Preterism Problems

Partial preterism is what i believe in

Q: Which OT + NT PROPHECIES:??
1. have been 100% fulfilled NOW
2. have been PARTIALLY fulfilled NOW
3. await fulfillment in the FUTURE

CHALLENGE: Post copy + paste NASB citations + historical EVENTS
HERE!===>

One only believes in what one truly believes.

Here is one of Jesus the Christ's prophecies that has been 100% fulfilled:

Matthew 24 (NASB)
1 Jesus came out from the temple and was going away when His disciples came up to point out the temple buildings to Him.
2 And He said to them,
“Do you not see all these things? (TEMPLES)
Truly I say to you, not one stone here will be left upon another, which will not be torn down.”

Matthew 26 (NASB)
59 Now the chief priests and the whole Council kept trying to obtain false testimony against Jesus,
so that they might put Him to death.
60 They did not find any, even though many false witnesses came forward.
But later on two came forward, 61 and said,
“This man stated, ‘I am able to destroy the temple of God and to rebuild it in three days.’”
62 The high priest stood up and said to Him, “Do You not answer? What is it that these men are testifying against You?”
63 But Jesus kept silent.

Mark 15:29...Jesus on the Cross
Those passing by were hurling abuse at Him, wagging their heads, and saying,
“Ha! You who are going to destroy the temple and rebuild it in three days,

Of course, Jesus was referring to the temple of His own body...a parable hidden from unbelievers!


John 2:22
So when He was raised from the dead, His disciples remembered that He said this (about His body);
and they believed the Scripture and the word which Jesus had spoken.

John 12:16
These things His disciples did not understand at the first; but when Jesus was glorified,
then they remembered that these things were written of Him, and that they had done these things to Him.

Siege of Jerusalem (AD 70) - Wikipedia

The Siege of Jerusalem in the year 70 was the decisive event of the First Jewish–Roman War.
The Roman army, led by the future Emperor Titus, with Tiberius Julius Alexander as his second-in-command, besieged and conquered the city of Jerusalem, which had been occupied by its Jewish defenders in 66.

The siege ended with the sacking of the city and the destruction of its Second Temple.
The destruction of both the first and second temples is still mourned annually as the Jewish fast Tisha B'Av.
The Arch of Titus, celebrating the Roman sack of Jerusalem and the Temple, still stands in Rome.