Is God Father and Mother? Is God beyond gender?

ToBeLoved · May 19, 2017

Superhero Sam said:
lucifer is a greek word? It was the latin word for venus.

Lucifer is a proper name. He was called this before he rebelled and got kicked out of heaven.

Sammy-San · May 19, 2017

ToBeLoved said:
Lucifer is a proper name. He was called this before he rebelled and got kicked out of heaven.

Isn't that of Latin origin? Latin isn't in heaven.

Literally Lucifer or something to that effect? I don't know if angelic languages have that as a word.

Sammy-San · May 19, 2017

The Times said:
Lucifer means shining one. The intention of Isaiah is to call this particular fallen angel by name. I believe that the path to take is one of transliteration instead of translation, because Isaiah is calling him by name. What the Bible writers did is to reproduce the name through transliteration of alphebets from Greek to latin in order to transcribe the name.

Satan appears as male and female to deceive the masses and we know that the purpose of writing his name from a transliterary and from language to language is to establish his name identifier amongst his servants who use his name.

Today in the post Roman empire age we live in, we see his name in latin being used by his servants.....

Lucent Technologies
Lucis Trust
Lucifer comic book series

Lucifer In The Vatican – Father Malachi Martin

The link....
Lucifer In The Vatican - Fr. Malachi Martin

Since we see the name Lucifer being used in contrast to the God of the Bible, we need to acknowledge that the Devil is in the detail that hadn't been lost by his servants, throughout the generations.

I am only quoting Rome sources ie Latin.....

This is where the Devil aka Lucifer takes the form of a man and a woman...

Stunning Anti-Catholic Lie Makes Pope a Devil Worshipper

When they touch the sacraments then my Catholic and Orthodox brothers and sisters should know the enemy within by their works as Jesus had instructed his sheep.

Are terms like Luciferian and satanist just euphemisms? A girl in my social studies class when watching Michael Moore documentary said marilyn manson was a satanist-why not just say he was a devil worshiper?

Would you view this story as true? People say Anton lavey repented on his deathbed.
The Serpent and the Savior: A True Story of Occult-Level Spiritual Warfare: David El-Cana Bryan: 9781508958192: Amazon.com: Books

Sammy-San · May 19, 2017

Robert Richborough said:
No because Witchcraft is a modern term that describes a whole slew of different distinct sorceries in the jewish words

There are different spirits involved with different sorceries and being able to discern them is a spiritual gift according to corinthians definition - discern - the definition of discern

1 Corinthians 12:10

The Bible says witchcraft and sorcery are different?

At least they are practically the same-different forms of the same garbage.

Raphael Jauregui · May 20, 2017

ToBeLoved said:
Bible verses please. That does not seem right at all.

I posted some of those earlier in the conversation. Here are some again.
Hosea 11:3-4 God described as a mother
God: “Yet it was I who taught Ephraim to walk, I who took them up in my arms; but they did not know that I healed them. I led them with cords of human kindness, with bands of love. I was to them like those who lift infants to their cheeks. I bent down to them and fed them.”
Hosea 13:8 God described as a mother bear
“Like a bear robbed of her cubs, I will attack them and tear them asunder…”
Deuteronomy 32:11-12 God described as a mother eagle
“Like the eagle that stirs up its nest, and hovers over its young, God spreads wings to catch you, and carries you on pinions.”
Deuteronomy 32:18 God who gives birth
“You were unmindful of the Rock that bore you; you forgot the God who gave you birth.”
Isaiah 66:13 God as a comforting mother
God: “As a mother comforts her child, so I will comfort you; you shall be comforted in Jerusalem.”
Isaiah 49:15 God compared to a nursing mother
God: “Can a woman forget her nursing child, or show no compassion for the child of her womb? Even these may forget, yet I will not forget you.”

Raphael Jauregui · May 20, 2017

JoeP222w said:
No, it does not. It was not an exhaustive description of the Trinity, nor was it meant to be in that sense.

Why are you ignoring the use of Biblical terms? God the Father is referred to as "Father" in scripture. He is never referred to as neuter that I am aware of in scripture. Similarly, the Holy Spirit has a male pronoun, not neuter.

I did not say they were. Again, nowhere in scripture is God the Father referred to as God the "Parent", unless you can show this from original languages.

Physical Genitalia is not the sole definer of a person's sexual identity.

Can you explain what you mean by "gendered similes and metaphors" and how you mean this in the remainder of your statement here?

Okay, a few things. In Greek, ο πατρος can also simply mean 'parent.' Secondly, God is referred to as a mother on multiple occasions in Scripture including in Deuteronomy when God is said to be "the God that gave you birth." That is clearly motherly biological birth-giving imagery. Thirdly, the Holy Spirit in Hebrew is ruach and is feminine. Ο πνευματος or Spirit in Greek is neuter not masculine.

From ο πατηρ, πατρος
Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
father, parent.
Apparently a primary word; a "father" (literally or figuratively, near or more remote) -- father, parent.

The Times · May 20, 2017

The Times · May 20, 2017

The Times · May 20, 2017

Raphael Jauregui · May 20, 2017

The Times said:
You cannot dismiss the narrative of the Old Testament authors, who clearly use throughout the text thousands of masculine personal pronouns, which identify God as the judging Fatherly figure and the protective Husband figure to the Apostolic Church, who is portrayed as the mother and the wife to God.

And, we cannot dismiss the many feminine pronouns and terms used either. See Holy Wisdom and the personification of God's Wisdom as a woman.

ToBeLoved · May 20, 2017

Raphael Jauregui said:
I posted some of those earlier in the conversation. Here are some again.
Hosea 11:3-4 God described as a mother
God: “Yet it was I who taught Ephraim to walk, I who took them up in my arms; but they did not know that I healed them. I led them with cords of human kindness, with bands of love. I was to them like those who lift infants to their cheeks. I bent down to them and fed them.”
Hosea 13:8 God described as a mother bear
“Like a bear robbed of her cubs, I will attack them and tear them asunder…”
Deuteronomy 32:11-12 God described as a mother eagle
“Like the eagle that stirs up its nest, and hovers over its young, God spreads wings to catch you, and carries you on pinions.”
Deuteronomy 32:18 God who gives birth
“You were unmindful of the Rock that bore you; you forgot the God who gave you birth.”
Isaiah 66:13 God as a comforting mother
God: “As a mother comforts her child, so I will comfort you; you shall be comforted in Jerusalem.”
Isaiah 49:15 God compared to a nursing mother
God: “Can a woman forget her nursing child, or show no compassion for the child of her womb? Even these may forget, yet I will not forget you.”

No. You are taking these verses and attaching meaning.

The last verse is talking about a mother, not saying God is one.

Sammy-San · May 20, 2017

ToBeLoved said:
No. You are taking these verses and attaching meaning.

The last verse is talking about a mother, not saying God is one.

Aren't spirits sexless?

ToBeLoved · May 20, 2017

Superhero Sam said:
Aren't spirits sexless?

Who was talking about sex? Male and females also have attributes other than their bodies.

Sammy-San · May 20, 2017

ToBeLoved said:
Who was talking about sex? Male and females also have attributes other than their bodies.

What does a spirit being feminine mean?

Sammy-San · May 20, 2017

ToBeLoved said:
No. You are taking these verses and attaching meaning.

The last verse is talking about a mother, not saying God is one.

Regarding spirits not being men, somebody said the angels are called men due to being created beings, and angels have no sex organs or gender.

Sammy-San · May 20, 2017

ToBeLoved said:
Who was talking about sex? Male and females also have attributes other than their bodies.

Like the little mermaid being considered a woman due to having delicate facial features?

ToBeLoved · May 20, 2017

Superhero Sam said:
What does a spirit being feminine mean?

I don't know that there is any meaning that is laid out in the Bible for that. What I am saying is that God created man in His image, but we know God is Spirit and doesn't have a body, so this could be attributes or something like that we have free-will to make choices. I don't know that there is enough information to make a conclusion about what are the qualities or attributes that God meant when He said we are created in Hos image.

ToBeLoved · May 20, 2017

Superhero Sam said:
Like the little mermaid being considered a woman due to having delicate facial features?

I'm really not sure exactly. I don't think God goes into that detail about why He made that statement.

Sammy-San · May 20, 2017

ToBeLoved said:
I don't know that there is any meaning that is laid out in the Bible for that. What I am saying is that God created man in His image, but we know God is Spirit and doesn't have a body, so this could be attributes or something like that we have free-will to make choices. I don't know that there is enough information to make a conclusion about what are the qualities or attributes that God meant when He said we are created in Hos image.

Could it be women and men all have unique attirbutes that God has in some sense, but God prefers us to look to him as a father?

Is God Father and Mother? Is God beyond gender?

Can God be described with gender?

Avoid gendered pronouns, remain gender neutral

God can be called both Father and Mother, both male/female pronouns

Only refer to God as Father and use male pronouns

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