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They both went together
But was Abraham's other son with them?

Ishmael? the goat (like the raven) is sent into the wilderness.

Jesus was not the son (in the literal sense) of Abraham right?

You think Abraham was not speaking by the spirit when he uttered this prophecy? I believe (can't remember) Abraham was the first one to be called a prophet, though Adam was the first man to prophecy.
 
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Ishmael? the goat (like the raven) is sent into the wilderness.

Jesus was not the son (in the literal sense) of Abraham right?

You think Abraham was not speaking by the spirit when he uttered this prophecy? I believe (can't remember) Abraham was the first one to be called a prophet, though Adam was the first man to prophecy.
Abraham heard GOD's VOICE and call and did what GOD said

Leave your father's house and go to where I will lead you

Abraham did

The call of any prophet came not because they decided but because they were called to speak what GOD had given them to say for one purpose only

To lead the people back to knowing THEIR HEAVENLY FATHER

The call of all the prophets was of today you hear HIS VOICE, harden not your hearts

And yet who hardened the hearts of all men

And what did CHROST say about it but in them is the prophecy of Isaiah fulfilled:

make the hearts of these people fat and give them eyes that see not and ears that hear not

Lest they should understand with the heart...turn...and HE should heal them

Are you saying outside THE NEW COVENANT, one is healed?
 
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Abraham heard GOD's VOICE and call and did what GOD said

Leave your father's house and go to where I will lead you

Abraham did

The call of any prophet came not because they decided but because they were called to speak what GOD had given them to say for one purpose only

To lead the people back to knowing THEIR HEAVENLY FATHER

The call of all the prophets was of today you hear HIS VOICE, harden not your hearts

And yet who hardened the hearts of all men

And what did CHROST say about it but in them is the prophecy of Isaiah fulfilled:

make the hearts of these people fat and give them eyes that see not and ears that hear not

Lest they should understand with the heart...turn...and HE should heal them

Are you saying outside THE NEW COVENANT, one is healed?

I didn't ever deny that Abraham did. Who gave you that notion?
 
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I didn't ever deny that Abraham did. Who gave you that notion?
The fact that we are chasing after each other somehow discussing Adam (men) when THE GOSPEL was never to bring us to the revelation of Adam to begin with
 
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Did God make Adam imperfect?

Yes, since He made Adam apart from God and only God is perfect. Mar 10:18 Adam was made with the air, dust and water which was contaminated with darkness or death, since it was apart from God.

The only way to be perfect is to be "in Christ" Spiritually. God Bless you
 
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The fact that we are chasing after each other somehow discussing Adam (men) when THE GOSPEL was never to bring us to the revelation of Adam to begin with

It may appear to have gotten a little bit off, but that is to be expected.

Adam is one of many broad and important issues.

The language that surrounds him, is the language of God that is put forth in forms to numerous to count (forgive me if I say something you already know, but I have found no end to it yet); depicting the means and ways that the word sent out by him show (in the light of that it does not come back void, but accomplishes everything it was sent out to do).

Love and the most holy place are a common truth; Moses tabernacle showing the seed falling to the ground just in another form of a pattern that was set forth from the beginning, an end declared, yet being the person of God (I am the beginning and the end) the sum of all truth.

The gospel is far deeper than we are willing to go, it being an eternal truth, like the kingdom, and even a question such as the one I proposed can lead to heaven.

All paths that come from heaven lead to heaven.
 
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Yes, since He made Adam apart from God and only God is perfect. Mar 10:18 Adam was made with the air, dust and water which was contaminated with darkness or death, since it was apart from God.

The only way to be perfect is to be "in Christ" Spiritually. God Bless you

An interesting thing to note is that God did not form the man who tills the ground from the ground he was to till, put another way, he wouldn't have had to put him in the garden if he formed him out of the garden, he would have already been in it.
 
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You follow another doctrine than that of Jesus Christ as written about in the Prophetss and New Testament. You cherry pick scriptures that fit to your reality, it seems, and call the rest of them heresy.

The Gospel that Jesus Christ and the Apostles preached aligned with Holy Scriptures. So, it seems we are comparing apples to oranges and neither the two will ever be the same.

I will not discuss the matter further, for I believe in the Holy Scriptures and you do not. You are free to choose and follow your own train of thought. Me, I have been given freedom and liberty - for His yoke is easy, all because I believed those scriptures.

I pray you find the Light of Life, Colter.
I found the light long ago, I do not worship the writing of preachers, rather I worship the God they spoke of with varying degrees of quality.

We will continue to grow in understanding in the next life.
 
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"Lucifer" isn't Satan and never was, just a reason for an arrogant Babylonian king. It's clear if you look at the full context of Isaiah 14 and don't cherry-pick three verses out of it.
Dear Crystal D,
Yes, I agree in the immediate sense, it is a prophesy against a Babylonian King and it is good that you indeed seek the truth. However, it also good to be aware that prophetic utterances can often have double fulfillment.
I assure you that I'm not just just making that up :)

The word that Catholics have historically used for present and future prophetic fulfillment is "Compenetration". I think it is borrowed from Aquinas' Suma but the theological concept may in fact predate the one they called the 'dumb ox' that startled the world with such great and godly wisdom. I'll loosely define his usage of compenetration as polymorphic or the combinant existence of both the temporal flesh and the everlasting soul both occupant within the same individual. (e.g I know this might sound like a silly example but say I prophesied, "An acorn will be buried on the bare plain and will sprout forth great branches casting long shadows on heated days."

  • A first fulfilment would be the acorn is buried on the plain but acorns don't sprout branches only oak trees do. However acorns do possess the potential to become oak trees, if the squirrels don't get to them first. :) So the 2nd fulfillment is a product of the first; for that buried acorn will eventually become a great oak tree that will sprout branches and cast shade for all those withering under the hot sun.
Since you identify as a Catholic Christian you can find a Catholic link to the principle below in the context of prophesy:
A couple of Biblical examples would be
  1. Hosea 11: 1, "When Israel was a child, then I loved him, and called my son out of Egypt
    • Obviously this would be a reference to the Exodus, whereby God through Moses led the the children of Israel out of Egypt. The Israelites went from the dominion of the Pharaoh's Law to dominion of the ten commandments, which Jesus summed up as really two. Love the Lord your God, with all your heart, soul, mind and strength and your neighbor likewise as yourself.
    • Matthew 2:15 "That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Lord through the prophet saying, "Out of Egypt have I called my son." A Messianic prophecy of the child Jesus being called back into Israel after His refugee status was resolved by the death of Herod. He would grow in favor with God and His own people from henceforth.
  2. Isaiah 61:1-3 The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon Me, because the LORD has anointed Me to preach good tidings to the poor; He has sent Me to heal the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to those who are bound;
  1. To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD,
  2. and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort and console all who mourn in Zion; To give them beauty for ashes, The oil of joy for mourning, The garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; That they may be called trees of righteousness, The planting of the LORD, that He may be glorified.
  • Luke 4 :16-20. The Lord's earthly ministry would make the first part of the prophesy clearly apparent but He closed the book immediately after "To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD." The 2nd part "To preach the acceptable year of the Lord And he closed the book." This part was being fulfilled before their eyes.​
  • The day of vengeance (payback from the Lord, where ones own horrible deeds must be self digested in the light of truth, has not come yet but has been put off until the age of mercy has been completed.​
Another example that is close in context is in Ezekiel 28:1-10 and Ezekiel 28:11-20 with respect to a prophesy against the King of Tyre.

  1. Clearly it is against the King of that period and the prophecy was fulfilled in the wars against Tyre first by Nebuchadnezzar’s which broke their haughty spirit and assimilated them into both the Babylonian and Persian empire. Six decades later Alexander the Great decimated the old city in 332 B.C. Building a land bridge from the mainland city of Tyre to the island city he demolished what was called Old Tyre. After that it was sacked by many other nations this fulfilling the first part of the prophecy.
  2. The 2nd part of the prophecy is a little harder to understand because the Lord asks Ezekial to address this to the King of Tyre once again but clearly the King of Tyre was not in the Garden of Eden, nor was he perfect. The prophecy is being directed towards the Father of lies that is one with the king. That entity is the king that the king of Tyre has given his allegiance to; whose world order is to lift himself up and gain the whole world, while losing his immortal soul. That hasn't happened in time yet but it will.
See the footnote (*) for the whole text

More on the exegesis on the Spirit or the spirit which indwells the human soul and whom God asks us to choose between:
  • Deuteronomy 30:19 Joshua 24:15
The vengeance of God will reward each one according to their works and whom they choose to serve.
  • Isaiah 66:4-5
Knowing what Spirit you are of. Are we of the spirit of this world and do the bidding of sins or do we share in the Spirit of God and do God's work, as per
Luke 9:54-55 where John and James are admonished by the Lord for wanting to reign down fire because of the unbelief they encountered.
2 Corinthians 4:3-11 Paul infers to us that we too are in fact part of the prophecies of Christ; because we are His. We are on mission with Christ to point the way to Him in all this lost world that to this day is under the power of sin, corruption and death because of the enemy. That we belong to the Father through the Son is also attested to in Old Testament Prophecy
Jeremiah 31:34
Jesus also attests that those who follow Him are part of His Body - which is called His Church.
Matthew 25:33-46
We are clearly in Him and He clearly abides with us; for from the beginning of the story until the end He says, 'I Am with you!'

  • Gen 26:24 Genesis 28:15 Isaiah 41:10 Isaiah 43:5 Jeremiah 1:8 Jeremiah 1:19 Jeremiah 15:20 Jeremiah 30:11 Jeremiah 42:11 Jeremiah 46:28
  • Haggai 1:13 Haggai 2:4 Acts 18:10
Also through the means of the Holy Spirit, which unifies all Christians, Paul in essences says that though physically absent we are still united through the Holy Spirit, which makes us one with each other through God. Colossians 2:5

However the most poignant example that we are the Lord's and He goes with us is His
Matthew 28:18-20
Mt 28:18-20] And Jesus came and spoke to them said:
Here the Lamentation was taken for the King of Tyre
Moreover the word of the LORD came to me, saying, 12Son of man, take up a lamentation for the king of Tyre, and say to him, ‘Thus says the Lord GOD:
“You were the seal of perfection, full of wisdom and perfect in beauty. You were in Eden, the garden of God; Every precious stone was your covering: the sardius, topaz, and diamond, Beryl, onyx, and jasper, Sapphire, turquoise, and emerald with gold. The workmanship of your timbrels and pipes was prepared for you on the day you were created.
You were the anointed cherub who covers; I established you; You were on the holy mountain of God; You walked back and forth in the midst of fiery stones. You were perfect in your ways from the day you were created, untill iniquity was found in you. By the abundance of your trading you became filled with violence within,
And you sinned; therefore I cast you as a profane thing out of the mountain of God
;
And I destroyed you, O covering cherub, from the midst of the fiery stones.
Your heart was lifted up because of your beauty; You corrupted your wisdom for the sake of your splendor; I cast you to the ground, I laid you before kings, that they might gaze at you. You defiled your sanctuaries by the multitude of your iniquities, by the iniquity of your trading; Therefore I brought fire from your midst; It devoured you,
And I turned you to ashes upon the earth In the sight of all who saw you. All who knew you among the peoples are astonished at you; You have become a horror, and shall be no more forever.” 
 
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Or maybe to bring Adam (mankind) to the revelation and truth of who he is in relation to who CHRIST JESUS is
Hurray!

Maybe all this time we've been talking at each other

Edit: I'm not sure
I think we have a different understanding of THE GOSPEL
 
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It may appear to have gotten a little bit off, but that is to be expected.

Adam is one of many broad and important issues.

The language that surrounds him, is the language of God that is put forth in forms to numerous to count (forgive me if I say something you already know, but I have found no end to it yet); depicting the means and ways that the word sent out by him show (in the light of that it does not come back void, but accomplishes everything it was sent out to do).

Love and the most holy place are a common truth; Moses tabernacle showing the seed falling to the ground just in another form of a pattern that was set forth from the beginning, an end declared, yet being the person of God (I am the beginning and the end) the sum of all truth.

The gospel is far deeper than we are willing to go, it being an eternal truth, like the kingdom, and even a question such as the one I proposed can lead to heaven.

All paths that come from heaven lead to heaven.
Forgive me for saying that there is only ONE SON who opened THE TRUE MATRIX between heaven and earth by way of THE TRUE VEIL

(which is HIS BODY)

And HE alone is THE WAY, and THE TRUTH and it's only in and by and through HIM that we have life

It is only through HIM
that we have access to THE FATHER by ONE SPIRIT

And no man can come to THE FATHER except through HIM
 
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Forgive me for saying that there is only ONE SON who opened THE TRUE MATRIX between heaven and earth by way of THE TRUE VEIL

(which is HIS BODY)

And HE alone is THE WAY, and THE TRUTH and it's only in and by and through HIM that we have life

It is only through HIM
that we have access to THE FATHER by ONE SPIRIT

And no man can come to THE FATHER except through HIM

Our new name is the path of life found in us.
 
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Dear Crystal D,
Yes, I agree in the immediate sense, it is a prophesy against a Babylonian King and it is good that you indeed seek the truth. However, it also good to be aware that prophetic utterances can often have double fulfillment.
I assure you that I'm not just just making that up :)

The word that Catholics have historically used for present and future prophetic fulfillment is "Compenetration". I think it is borrowed from Aquinas' Suma but the theological concept may in fact predate the one they called the 'dumb ox' that startled the world with such great and godly wisdom. I'll loosely define his usage of compenetration as polymorphic or the combinant existence of both the temporal flesh and the everlasting soul both occupant within the same individual. (e.g I know this might sound like a silly example but say I prophesied, "An acorn will be buried on the bare plain and will sprout forth great branches casting long shadows on heated days."

  • A first fulfilment would be the acorn is buried on the plain but acorns don't sprout branches only oak trees do. However acorns do possess the potential to become oak trees, if the squirrels don't get to them first. :) So the 2nd fulfillment is a product of the first; for that buried acorn will eventually become a great oak tree that will sprout branches and cast shade for all those withering under the hot sun.
Since you identify as a Catholic Christian you can find a Catholic link to the principle below in the context of prophesy:
A couple of Biblical examples would be
  1. Hosea 11: 1, "When Israel was a child, then I loved him, and called my son out of Egypt
    • Obviously this would be a reference to the Exodus, whereby God through Moses led the the children of Israel out of Egypt. The Israelites went from the dominion of the Pharaoh's Law to dominion of the ten commandments, which Jesus summed up as really two. Love the Lord your God, with all your heart, soul, mind and strength and your neighbor likewise as yourself.
    • Matthew 2:15 "That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Lord through the prophet saying, "Out of Egypt have I called my son." A Messianic prophecy of the child Jesus being called back into Israel after His refugee status was resolved by the death of Herod. He would grow in favor with God and His own people from henceforth.
  2. Isaiah 61:1-3 The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon Me, because the LORD has anointed Me to preach good tidings to the poor; He has sent Me to heal the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to those who are bound;
  1. To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD,
  2. and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort and console all who mourn in Zion; To give them beauty for ashes, The oil of joy for mourning, The garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; That they may be called trees of righteousness, The planting of the LORD, that He may be glorified.
  • Luke 4 :16-20. The Lord's earthly ministry would make the first part of the prophesy clearly apparent but He closed the book immediately after "To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD." The 2nd part "To preach the acceptable year of the Lord And he closed the book." This part was being fulfilled before their eyes.​
  • The day of vengeance (payback from the Lord, where ones own horrible deeds must be self digested in the light of truth, has not come yet but has been put off until the age of mercy has been completed.​
Another example that is close in context is in Ezekiel 28:1-10 and Ezekiel 28:11-20 with respect to a prophesy against the King of Tyre.
  1. Clearly it is against the King of that period and the prophecy was fulfilled in the wars against Tyre first by Nebuchadnezzar’s which broke their haughty spirit and assimilated them into both the Babylonian and Persian empire. Six decades later Alexander the Great decimated the old city in 332 B.C. Building a land bridge from the mainland city of Tyre to the island city he demolished what was called Old Tyre. After that it was sacked by many other nations this fulfilling the first part of the prophecy.
  2. The 2nd part of the prophecy is a little harder to understand because the Lord asks Ezekial to address this to the King of Tyre once again but clearly the King of Tyre was not in the Garden of Eden, nor was he perfect. The prophecy is being directed towards the Father of lies that is one with the king. That entity is the king that the king of Tyre has given his allegiance to; whose world order is to lift himself up and gain the whole world, while losing his immortal soul. That hasn't happened in time yet but it will.
See the footnote (*) for the whole text

More on the exegesis on the Spirit or the spirit which indwells the human soul and whom God asks us to choose between:
  • Deuteronomy 30:19 Joshua 24:15
The vengeance of God will reward each one according to their works and whom they choose to serve.
  • Isaiah 66:4-5
Knowing what Spirit you are of. Are we of the spirit of this world and do the bidding of sins or do we share in the Spirit of God and do God's work, as per
Luke 9:54-55 where John and James are admonished by the Lord for wanting to reign down fire because of the unbelief they encountered.
2 Corinthians 4:3-11 Paul infers to us that we too are in fact part of the prophecies of Christ; because we are His. We are on mission with Christ to point the way to Him in all this lost world that to this day is under the power of sin, corruption and death because of the enemy. That we belong to the Father through the Son is also attested to in Old Testament Prophecy
Jeremiah 31:34
Jesus also attests that those who follow Him are part of His Body - which is called His Church.
Matthew 25:33-46
We are clearly in Him and He clearly abides with us; for from the beginning of the story until the end He says, 'I Am with you!'

  • Gen 26:24 Genesis 28:15 Isaiah 41:10 Isaiah 43:5 Jeremiah 1:8 Jeremiah 1:19 Jeremiah 15:20 Jeremiah 30:11 Jeremiah 42:11 Jeremiah 46:28
  • Haggai 1:13 Haggai 2:4 Acts 18:10
Also through the means of the Holy Spirit, which unifies all Christians, Paul in essences says that though physically absent we are still united through the Holy Spirit, which makes us one with each other through God. Colossians 2:5

However the most poignant example that we are the Lord's and He goes with us is His
Matthew 28:18-20
Well worth the read!!'
 
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You have a vivid imagination. The people who wrote the Old Testament don't believe in Jesus, they will use there scripture books to tell you why.
Hi Colter,
I'm sure you didn't mean this but If you think the people who wrote the Old Testament didn't point to Christ then it follows that there is a severe problem with the inspired text of the Old Testament. It doesn't follow the chain of Scriptural evidence:

  1. The Jewish people were longing for their Messiah to appear.
  2. Jesus proclaimed did in fact point to Him.
  3. He pointed out to the Apostles how the fulfillment of the Old Testament Scriptures were pointing to Him.
The (1) Longing for Christ (2) Jesus proclaiming OT Scriptures were about Him (3) Fulfilling them by his action and the actions of others towards Him.
  1. Luke 2:25-30 And behold, there was a man in Jerusalem whose name was Simeon, and this man was just and devout, waiting for the Consolation of Israel, and the Holy Spirit was upon him. And it had been revealed to him by the Holy Spirit that he would not see death before he had seen the Lord's Christ. So he came by the Spirit into the temple. And when the parents brought in the Child Jesus, to do for Him according to the custom of the law, he took Him up in his arms and blessed God and said: Lord, now You are letting Your servant depart in peace, according to Your word; For my eyes have seen Your salvation
  2. John 5:39 “You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and these are they which testify of Me.
  3. Fulfillment of the OT by Jesus, His ministry, and those who acted against Him:
  • Matthew 1:22 So all this was done that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the Lord through the prophet, saying: "Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and bear a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel," [fn] which is translated, "God with us.
  • Matthew 2:15 and was there until the death of Herod, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the Lord through the prophet, saying, “Out of Egypt I called My Son.”
  • Matthew 2:17-18 Then was fulfilled what was spoken by Jeremiah the prophet, saying: A voice was heard in Ramah, Lamentation, weeping, and great mourning,
    Rachel weeping
    for her children, Refusing to be comforted, Because they are no more.
  • Matthew 2:23 And he came and dwelt in a city called Nazareth, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophets, “He shall be called a Nazarene.”
  • Matthew 4:13-16 And leaving Nazareth, He came and dwelt in Capernaum, which is by the sea, in the regions of Zebulun and Naphtali, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Isaiah the prophet, saying: "The land of Zebulun and the land of Naphtali, By the way of the sea, beyond the Jordan, Galilee of the Gentiles: he people who sat in darkness have seen a great light, And upon those who sat in the region and shadow of death Light has dawned."
  • Matthew 5:17 “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill.
  • Matthew 5:18 “For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.
  • Matthew 8:17 that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Isaiah the prophet, saying: “He Himself took our infirmities And bore our sicknesses.
  • Matthew 12:17 that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Isaiah the prophet, saying:"Behold! My Servant whom I have chosen, My Beloved in whom My soul is well pleased! I will put My Spirit upon Him, And He will declare justice to the Gentiles. He will not quarrel nor cry out, Nor will anyone hear His voice in the streets. A bruised reed He will not break, And smoking flax He will not quench, Till He sends forth justice to victory; And in His name Gentiles will trust
  • Matthew 13:14 “And in them the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled, which says: ‘Hearing you will hear and shall not understand, And seeing you will see and not perceive;
  • Matthew 13:35 that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying: “I will open My mouth in parables; I will utter things kept secret from the foundation of the world.”
  • Matthew 21:4 All this was done that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying: "Tell the daughter of Zion, 'Behold, your King is coming to you, Lowly, and sitting on a donkey, A colt, the foal of a donkey.:
  • Matthew 26:54 “
    But Jesus said to him, "Put your sword in its place, for all who take the sword will perish by the sword. Or do you think that I cannot now pray to My Father, and He will provide Me with more than twelve legions of angels? How then could the Scriptures be fulfilled, that it must happen thus?
  • Matthew 26:56 “But all this was done that the Scriptures of the prophets might be fulfilled.” Then all the disciples forsook Him and fled.
  • Matthew 27:9 Then was fulfilled what was spoken by Jeremiah the prophet, saying, “And they took the thirty pieces of silver, the value of Him who was priced, whom they of the children of Israel priced,
  • Matthew 27:35 Then they crucified Him, and divided His garments, casting lots, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet: “They divided My garments among them, And for My clothing they cast lots.”
  • Mark 1:15 and saying, “The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand. Repent, and believe in the gospel.”
  • Mark 13:4 “Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign when all these things will be fulfilled?”
  • Mark 14:49 “I was daily with you in the temple teaching, and you did not seize Me. But the Scriptures must be fulfilled.
  • Mark 15:28 So the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “And He was numbered with the transgressors.
  • Luke 1:1 Inasmuch as many have taken in hand to set in order a narrative of those things which have been fulfilled among us,
  • Luke 1:20 “But behold, you will be mute and not able to speak until the day these things take place, because you did not believe my words which will be fulfilled in their own time.”
  • Luke 1:45 “Blessed is she who believed, for there will be a fulfillment of those things which were told her from the Lord.”
  • Luke 4:21 And He began to say to them, “Today this Scripture is fulfilled in your hearing.”
  • Luke 21:20-22
    But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation is near. "Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those who are in the midst of her depart, and let not those who are in the country enter her.
    For these are the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. And they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led away captive into all nations. And Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.
  • Luke 22:16 “for I say to you, I will no longer eat of it until it is fulfilled in the kingdom of God.”
  • Luke 24:44 Then He said to them, “These are the words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things must be fulfilled which were written in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms concerning Me.”
  • John 3:29 “He who has the bride is the bridegroom; but the friend of the bridegroom, who stands and hears him, rejoices greatly because of the bridegroom’s voice. Therefore this joy of mine is fulfilled.
  • John 12:38 that the word of Isaiah the prophet might be fulfilled, which he spoke: “Lord, who has believed our report? And to whom has the arm of the LORD been revealed?
  • John 13:18 “I do not speak concerning all of you. I know whom I have chosen; but that the Scripture may be fulfilled, ‘He who eats bread with Me has lifted up his heel against Me.’
  • John 15:25 “But this happened that the word might be fulfilled which is written in their law, ‘They hated Me without a cause.
  • John 17:12 “While I was with them in the world, I kept them in Your name. Those whom You gave Me I have kept; and none of them is lost except the son of perdition, that the Scripture might be fulfilled.
  • John 17:13 “But now I come to You, and these things I speak in the world, that they may have My joy fulfilled in themselves.
  • John 18:9 that the saying might be fulfilled which He spoke, “Of those whom You gave Me I have lost none.
  • John 18:32 that the saying of Jesus might be fulfilled which He spoke, signifying by what death He would die.
  • John 19:24 They said therefore among themselves, “Let us not tear it, but cast lots for it, whose it shall be,” that the Scripture might be fulfilled which says: “They divided My garments among them, And for My clothing they cast lots.” Therefore the soldiers did these things.
  • John 19:28 After this, Jesus, knowing that all things were now accomplished, that the Scripture might be fulfilled, said, “I thirst!
  • John 19:36 For these things were done that the Scripture should be fulfilled, “Not one of His bones shall be broken.”
  • Acts 1:16 “Men and brethren, this Scripture had to be fulfilled, which the Holy Spirit spoke before by the mouth of David concerning Judas, who became a guide to those who arrested Jesus;
  • Acts 3:18 “But those things which God foretold by the mouth of all His prophets, that the Christ would suffer, He has thus fulfilled.
  • Acts 13:27 “For those who dwell in Jerusalem, and their rulers, because they did not know Him, nor even the voices of the Prophets which are read every Sabbath, have fulfilled them in condemning Him.
  • Acts 13:29 “Now when they had fulfilled all that was written concerning Him, they took Him down from the tree and laid Him in a tomb.
  • Acts 13:33 “God has fulfilled this for us their children, in that He has raised up Jesus. As it is also written in the second Psalm: ‘You are My Son, today I have begotten You.’
 
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Colter

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Hi Colter,
I'm sure you didn't mean this but If you think the people who wrote the Old Testament didn't point to Christ then it follows that there is a severe problem with the inspired text of the Old Testament. It doesn't follow the chain of Scriptural evidence:

  1. The Jewish people were longing for their Messiah to appear.
  2. Jesus proclaimed did in fact point to Him.
  3. He pointed out to the Apostles how the fulfillment of the Old Testament Scriptures were pointing to Him.
The (1) Longing for Christ (2) Jesus proclaiming OT Scriptures were about Him (3) Fulfilling them by his action and the actions of others towards Him.
  1. Luke 2:25-30 And behold, there was a man in Jerusalem whose name was Simeon, and this man was just and devout, waiting for the Consolation of Israel, and the Holy Spirit was upon him. And it had been revealed to him by the Holy Spirit that he would not see death before he had seen the Lord's Christ. So he came by the Spirit into the temple. And when the parents brought in the Child Jesus, to do for Him according to the custom of the law, he took Him up in his arms and blessed God and said: Lord, now You are letting Your servant depart in peace, according to Your word; For my eyes have seen Your salvation
  2. John 5:39 “You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and these are they which testify of Me.
  3. Fulfillment of the OT by Jesus, His ministry, and those who acted against Him:
  • Matthew 1:22 So all this was done that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the Lord through the prophet, saying: "Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and bear a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel," [fn] which is translated, "God with us.
  • Matthew 2:15 and was there until the death of Herod, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the Lord through the prophet, saying, “Out of Egypt I called My Son.”
  • Matthew 2:17-18 Then was fulfilled what was spoken by Jeremiah the prophet, saying: A voice was heard in Ramah, Lamentation, weeping, and great mourning,
    Rachel weeping
    for her children, Refusing to be comforted, Because they are no more.
  • Matthew 2:23 And he came and dwelt in a city called Nazareth, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophets, “He shall be called a Nazarene.”
  • Matthew 4:13-16 And leaving Nazareth, He came and dwelt in Capernaum, which is by the sea, in the regions of Zebulun and Naphtali, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Isaiah the prophet, saying: "The land of Zebulun and the land of Naphtali, By the way of the sea, beyond the Jordan, Galilee of the Gentiles: he people who sat in darkness have seen a great light, And upon those who sat in the region and shadow of death Light has dawned."
  • Matthew 5:17 “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill.
  • Matthew 5:18 “For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.
  • Matthew 8:17 that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Isaiah the prophet, saying: “He Himself took our infirmities And bore our sicknesses.
  • Matthew 12:17 that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Isaiah the prophet, saying:"Behold! My Servant whom I have chosen, My Beloved in whom My soul is well pleased! I will put My Spirit upon Him, And He will declare justice to the Gentiles. He will not quarrel nor cry out, Nor will anyone hear His voice in the streets. A bruised reed He will not break, And smoking flax He will not quench, Till He sends forth justice to victory; And in His name Gentiles will trust
  • Matthew 13:14 “And in them the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled, which says: ‘Hearing you will hear and shall not understand, And seeing you will see and not perceive;
  • Matthew 13:35 that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying: “I will open My mouth in parables; I will utter things kept secret from the foundation of the world.”
  • Matthew 21:4 All this was done that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying: "Tell the daughter of Zion, 'Behold, your King is coming to you, Lowly, and sitting on a donkey, A colt, the foal of a donkey.:
  • Matthew 26:54 “
    But Jesus said to him, "Put your sword in its place, for all who take the sword will perish by the sword. Or do you think that I cannot now pray to My Father, and He will provide Me with more than twelve legions of angels? How then could the Scriptures be fulfilled, that it must happen thus?
  • Matthew 26:56 “But all this was done that the Scriptures of the prophets might be fulfilled.” Then all the disciples forsook Him and fled.
  • Matthew 27:9 Then was fulfilled what was spoken by Jeremiah the prophet, saying, “And they took the thirty pieces of silver, the value of Him who was priced, whom they of the children of Israel priced,
  • Matthew 27:35 Then they crucified Him, and divided His garments, casting lots, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet: “They divided My garments among them, And for My clothing they cast lots.”
  • Mark 1:15 and saying, “The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand. Repent, and believe in the gospel.”
  • Mark 13:4 “Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign when all these things will be fulfilled?”
  • Mark 14:49 “I was daily with you in the temple teaching, and you did not seize Me. But the Scriptures must be fulfilled.
  • Mark 15:28 So the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “And He was numbered with the transgressors.
  • Luke 1:1 Inasmuch as many have taken in hand to set in order a narrative of those things which have been fulfilled among us,
  • Luke 1:20 “But behold, you will be mute and not able to speak until the day these things take place, because you did not believe my words which will be fulfilled in their own time.”
  • Luke 1:45 “Blessed is she who believed, for there will be a fulfillment of those things which were told her from the Lord.”
  • Luke 4:21 And He began to say to them, “Today this Scripture is fulfilled in your hearing.”
  • Luke 21:20-22
    But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation is near. "Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those who are in the midst of her depart, and let not those who are in the country enter her.
    For these are the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. And they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led away captive into all nations. And Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.
  • Luke 22:16 “for I say to you, I will no longer eat of it until it is fulfilled in the kingdom of God.”
  • Luke 24:44 Then He said to them, “These are the words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things must be fulfilled which were written in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms concerning Me.”
  • John 3:29 “He who has the bride is the bridegroom; but the friend of the bridegroom, who stands and hears him, rejoices greatly because of the bridegroom’s voice. Therefore this joy of mine is fulfilled.
  • John 12:38 that the word of Isaiah the prophet might be fulfilled, which he spoke: “Lord, who has believed our report? And to whom has the arm of the LORD been revealed?
  • John 13:18 “I do not speak concerning all of you. I know whom I have chosen; but that the Scripture may be fulfilled, ‘He who eats bread with Me has lifted up his heel against Me.’
  • John 15:25 “But this happened that the word might be fulfilled which is written in their law, ‘They hated Me without a cause.
  • John 17:12 “While I was with them in the world, I kept them in Your name. Those whom You gave Me I have kept; and none of them is lost except the son of perdition, that the Scripture might be fulfilled.
  • John 17:13 “But now I come to You, and these things I speak in the world, that they may have My joy fulfilled in themselves.
  • John 18:9 that the saying might be fulfilled which He spoke, “Of those whom You gave Me I have lost none.
  • John 18:32 that the saying of Jesus might be fulfilled which He spoke, signifying by what death He would die.
  • John 19:24 They said therefore among themselves, “Let us not tear it, but cast lots for it, whose it shall be,” that the Scripture might be fulfilled which says: “They divided My garments among them, And for My clothing they cast lots.” Therefore the soldiers did these things.
  • John 19:28 After this, Jesus, knowing that all things were now accomplished, that the Scripture might be fulfilled, said, “I thirst!
  • John 19:36 For these things were done that the Scripture should be fulfilled, “Not one of His bones shall be broken.”
  • Acts 1:16 “Men and brethren, this Scripture had to be fulfilled, which the Holy Spirit spoke before by the mouth of David concerning Judas, who became a guide to those who arrested Jesus;
  • Acts 3:18 “But those things which God foretold by the mouth of all His prophets, that the Christ would suffer, He has thus fulfilled.
  • Acts 13:27 “For those who dwell in Jerusalem, and their rulers, because they did not know Him, nor even the voices of the Prophets which are read every Sabbath, have fulfilled them in condemning Him.
  • Acts 13:29 “Now when they had fulfilled all that was written concerning Him, they took Him down from the tree and laid Him in a tomb.
  • Acts 13:33 “God has fulfilled this for us their children, in that He has raised up Jesus. As it is also written in the second Psalm: ‘You are My Son, today I have begotten You.’
Hi, the Jews had certain assumptions based on their scriptures about a Jewish Messiah. Jesus reailized that he couldn't meet their expectations and at the same time built his kingdom ideal on their expectations at least of a "deliverer."He decided to allow the Father to guide him through the tangled mess.

The problem was further complicated by the attempt by Jewish converts to the new Christian religion to force Jesus into the Old Testament to bring the Jews. It failed to bring the Jews and complicated Christian theology.
 
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