Why do many Christians eat pork when God says it's unclean?

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That makes sense. I also wonder if God was choosing certain animals to remove from the diet because He wanted His people to be physically healthy, too.

Nope. It had nothing to do with physical health.

Pork isn't forbidden under Torah because it's unhealthy, but because to be kosher an animal has to be a cloven-hoofed herbivore that "chews the cud"; as such pigs are non-kosher, as are camels, hares, hyraxes, and coneys.

Rabbits are just as "unclean" as pigs under the rules of kashrut.

As far as health concerns go, pork is a far more health-conscious protein than beef. So, no, physical health had nothing to do with it.

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Acts chapter 10 verse 15
The voice spoke to him a second time, "Do not call anything impure that God has made clean."
This is talking about reptiles and all sorts of things that were unclean to eat before.

There are a few schools of thought on Peters vision. Here is another, and it is from Wikipedia, not my words, but of course the school of thought I was searching for..

According to the Acts of the Apostles, chapter 10, Saint Peter had a vision of a vessel full of animals being lowered from heaven ("a certain vessel descending upon him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners"). A voice from heaven told Peter to kill and eat, but since the vessel contained unclean animals, Peter declined. The command was repeated two more times, along with the voice saying, "What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common" (verse 15) and then the vessel was taken back to heaven (Acts 10:16).


At this point in the narrative, messengers sent from Cornelius the Centurion arrive and urge Peter to go with them. He does so, and mentions the vision as he speaks to Cornelius, saying "God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean" (Acts 10:28). Peter related the vision again in Acts 11:4-9.
 
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I guess what I really want to know is why do we eat things that we know are unhealthy to our bodies, that cause our bodies to get fat and diseased when we know we shouldn't eat those things?

Ah! That is our free will, living in a manner that will cause our bodies to break down faster than they are supposed to. Personally, I love bacon! Also pork chops, pork loin, liverwurst, and cheeseburgers (thereby breaking the law of Kosher by putting meat and dairy on the table at the same time.)
 
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I understand that we are saved because of Jesus, and that it doesn't matter what type of food we put in our mouths, we are still saved... However, God says in the old testament that the pig is unclean and that we shouldn't eat it.

1 "The Lord said to Moses and Aaron, 2 “Say to the Israelites: ‘Of all the animals that live on land, these are the ones you may eat: 3 You may eat any animal that has a divided hoof and that chews the cud. 7 And the pig, because it parts the hoof and is cloven-footed but does not chew the cud, is unclean to you. 8 You shall not eat any of their flesh, and you shall not touch their carcasses; they are unclean to you.
-Leviticus 11​

16 For by fire will the Lord enter into judgment, and by his sword, with all flesh;
and those slain by the Lord shall be many.
17 “Those who sanctify and purify themselves to go into the gardens, following one in the midst, eating pig’s flesh and the abomination and mice, shall come to an end together, declares the Lord. – Isaiah 66
Not only that, but even the World Health Organization has now said that pork is a carcinogen... and there is plenty of information online about how pork is commonly contaminated with pathogenic bacteria (here's a good article) ...

So.... why do many Christians eat pork when God said it is unclean?

Update: after reading some wonderful and informative responses, I think my question really has to do with what "unclean" means. I was thinking it meant "not clean" and bad for health, and that God wanted his people to be healthy by not eating pigs and other animals that were bad for a persons health. This understanding of the word "unclean" may be incorrect. I'd appreciate your thoughts on the matter. :)

I believe (outside of it not being healthy, and tasting so dang good) had some smoked carolina barbecue yesterday with hushpuppies, and baked beans), that it is a pattern that begins with, In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
 
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QUESTION, WHERE does the meat PORK come from???????
ANSWER - That would be a pig, SO, if Peter saw a pig on the blanket and told God that nothing unclean had ever passed his lips, but God told him to rise up, kill and eat, then God was declaring pigs - thus PORK, clean enough to eat.
Just WHAT PART OF THAT DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND???????

There is a theme throughout the Bible that we must obey God rather than man, so we must be careful not to take something that was only against obeying the laws of men as being against obeying the Laws of the God that we serve, and you have not been careful to do this. My question is key to correctly understanding Peter's vision, so please answer it: why didn't Peter obey God's command to kill and eat by simply killing and eating one of the clean animals?

Acts 10:14 But Peter said, “By no means, Lord; for I have never eaten anything that is common or unclean.”

There are two issues here: Peter's refusal to eat anything that is common and his refusal to eat anything that is unclean. God has said that it is an abomination to eat unclean animals, so Peter's refusal to do so was good and proper, but his refusal to eat anything that was common led to his disobedience to God's command to kill and eat.

Acts 10:15 And the voice came to him again a second time, “What God has made clean, do not call common.”

God did not rebuke Peter for calling clean animals unclean, but for calling them common, so he had correctly called unclean animals unclean and had correctly refused to eat them, but had incorrectly called clean animals common and had incorrectly refused to eat them. He interpreted his vision three times in regard to the incorrect labeling of clean animals as referring to the incorrect labeling of Gentiles and not once did he even hint at interpreting his vision as saying that we are now able to eat unclean animals. I also raised some major issues with how you have interpreted his vision, so I invite you to address those.
 
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we read the law that God gave to Moses, in particular the food laws, and if we read them "between the lines," then we see that there is consistent bias AGAINST eating animals such as carnivores, omnivores and scavengers.
There are omnivores that God allowed to be eaten such as many birds, chickens, ducks, turkeys, emus, etc.
And fish....many, many fish that God said could be eaten are omnivores and many are carnivores, such as trout, perch, pike, salmon, etc.
Trout are carnivores and predators. They even eat the eggs of other fish and are scavengers as well. We have found many little crayfish in the trout that we have caught.
There is little consistency in the dietary laws. So I would suggest that there is a deeper meaning than what is healthy for us to eat.
 
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Acts chapter 10 verse 15
The voice spoke to him a second time, "Do not call anything impure that God has made clean."
This is talking about reptiles and all sorts of things that were unclean to eat before.

Please read post #84:

Why do many Christians eat pork when God says it's unclean?

The concept of something being pure or impure is distinct from the concept of animals being clean and unclean.

Matthew chapter 8 verse 31
The demons begged Jesus, "If you drive us out, send us into the herd of pigs."
Whose pigs could these be but Jews.

Matthew 8:28 And when he came to the other side, to the country of the Gadarenes,

Jesus had moved to the other side, which was not a Jewish area, and the fact that they were raising pigs would be another big clue for that.
 
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Please read post #84:

Why do many Christians eat pork when God says it's unclean?

The concept of something being pure or impure is distinct from the concept of animals being clean and unclean.



Matthew 8:28 And when he came to the other side, to the country of the Gadarenes,

Jesus had moved to the other side, which was not a Jewish area, and the fact that they were raising pigs would be another big clue for that.
If Peter had tried to do away with God's Law, then he would have needed to repent of his sin in violation of Deuteronomy 4:2 and the people would have known that he was not speaking for God according to Deuteronomy 13:4-5 and would have been quicker to stone him than to accept what he said at face value.
Peter wasn't under law.
Romans chapter 7
4 So, my brothers and sisters, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God. 5 For when we were in the realm of the flesh,[a] the sinful passions aroused by the law were at work in us, so that we bore fruit for death. 6 But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.
 
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Peter wasn't under law.
Romans chapter 7
4 So, my brothers and sisters, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God. 5 For when we were in the realm of the flesh,[a] the sinful passions aroused by the law were at work in us, so that we bore fruit for death. 6 But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.

It is important to correctly identify which law was aren't under. We are follower of God and His servants, so it is straightforwardly obvious that we are under His Law. In Romans 7:22-25, Paul made a concluding statement that summarized what he had said previously, in which he said that he delighted in obeying God Law (7:22) and served God's Law in his mind (7:25), but contrasted that with the law of sin that held him captive (7:23), that he served with his flesh (7:25). So God's Law is not sin, but rather it reveals what sin is (7:7), it is holy, righteous, and good (7:12), and it is the good that Paul desired to do (7:13-20), while it is the law of sin that came about to increase transgressions (5:20), to stir up sin to bear fruit unto death (7:5), that held us captive (7:6), that gave sin its power (7:8), and that caused Paul not to do the good that he wanted (7:13-20). In other words, Paul described the law of sin as being a law where sin had dominion over him:

Romans 6:14 For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under grace.

So the law that we aren't under when we are under grace is not God's Law, but rather it is the law of sin. In Psalms 119:29, David asked God to be gracious to him by teaching him to obey His Law, so God's Law is the Law that we are under when we are under grace.
 
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It is important to correctly identify which law was aren't under. We are follower of God and His servants, so it is straightforwardly obvious that we are under His Law. In Romans 7:22-25, Paul made a concluding statement that summarized what he had said previously, in which he said that he delighted in obeying God Law (7:22) and served God's Law in his mind (7:25), but contrasted that with the law of sin that held him captive (7:23), that he served with his flesh (7:25). So God's Law is not sin, but rather it reveals what sin is (7:7), it is holy, righteous, and good (7:12), and it is the good that Paul desired to do (7:13-20), while it is the law of sin that came about to increase transgressions (5:20), to stir up sin to bear fruit unto death (7:5), that held us captive (7:6), that gave sin its power (7:8), and that caused Paul not to do the good that he wanted (7:13-20). In other words, Paul described the law of sin as being a law where sin had dominion over him:

Romans 6:14 For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under grace.

So the law that we aren't under when we are under grace is not God's Law, but rather it is the law of sin. In Psalms 119:29, David asked God to be gracious to him by teaching him to obey His Law, so God's Law is the Law that we are under when we are under grace.
It is important to correctly identify which law was aren't under. We are follower of God and His servants, so it is straightforwardly obvious that we are under His Law.
I disagree, according to that, their was no need for Christ to come and die.
 
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Everything God made is clean. God said this. Now...know this and understand. If the law is what you live by then you obey you do all 613 of them or you fail in all. There is no saying in the word of God that the LAW is just the Ten Commandment. For Jesus said to love the lord your God wth all your heart and mind and soul and love your neighbor as yourself. Jesus said "All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments." People talk about the LAW and how Jesus did not get rid of them.

Jesus came to what? Fulfill the law "bring to completion or reality; achieve or realize". ....

Jesus came face to face with them and they still didnt see Him. They read and knew the Torah...still missed Him. We read Peter and what GOD said. "Do not call anything impure that God has made clean." This was about food and man. But we make sure to twist HIs word to fit what we want. Notice the word WE..

If you dont want to eat this or that..praise GOD! That is all it is. You just choose not to eat this or that. Others want to. And to GOD it means? Nothing. Your not holier or more pure, not more Godly.

So if was at someone house.. that believed that then I would not eat it around them :) Lets not loose sight that EVERYTHING good and holy that is in us..is always HIM! HE did it all. So if I offended forgive
 
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Because the New Testament changed that judgment.
Was it a "judgment" or merely an instruction for their health?


Bible said:
Everything is permitted, but everything isn’t beneficial.~1st Cor 10:23
 
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The dietary laws were to a large extent symbolic. Pigs cannot lift their heads towards the heavens and spend their time wallowing in the mud, so they are representative of the sinful life style; not worshipping God and indulging in the passions. The sea foods which were forbidden were likewise bottom feeders, constantly poking around in the mud.

You're on the right track according to early Christians. The unspiritual conduct of the animals is what made them unclean. They were equated with the pagan Gentiles.

Leviticus 20:25-26 “You shall therefore distinguish between clean animals and unclean, between unclean birds and clean, and you shall not make yourselves abominable by beast or by bird, or by any kind of living thing that creeps on the ground, which I have separated from you as unclean. And you shall be holy to Me, for I the Lord am holy, and have separated you from the peoples, that you should be Mine."

Before the flood, even the animals were vegetation. Therefore, eating even rats would have been healthy when God gave to order after the flood to eat anything that moves. It wasn't a health issue.

The distinction between clean and unclean meats were known since Adam sinned, but was only for sacrifices. No where before Genesis 9 was eating meat even thinkable. Then when all vegetation was dead, they would have eaten what was left on the ark, plus the animals would have had babies. A few generations of some types.

But then God separated for Himself a people, and gave them laws to follow, some as foreshadows. Unclean meat represented pagan Gentiles, but after Peter received the vision of the sheet full of unclean animals, God was bringing them back to before the law, when all meat was to be deemed lawful to eat. However, Paul does say that even though everything is lawful, not everything is profitable. So, even though it is not longer a SIN, eat responsibly, and that includes chocolate!
 
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From the Epistle of Barnabas, chapter 10 about why the unclean meats were deemed unclean.

But in that Moses said, Thou shalt not eat the
swine, nor the eagle, nor the hawk, nor the crow, nor
any fish that hath not scales in itself, he had in his
mind three doctrines.
10:2 For in the end he saith unto them in
Deuteronomy, And I will arrange before this people my
ordinances. The commandment of God is not, therefore,
that they should not eat; but Moses spake in a
spiritual sense.
10:3 He spake of the swine with this meaning: Thou
shalt not cleave, he meaneth, unto men of this sort,
who are like unto swine, for when they become wanton
they forget their Lord, but when they are in want they
think upon the Lord; even as the swine when it eateth
knoweth not its lord, but when it is hungry it crieth,
and when it hath received it is again silent.
10:4 Nor shalt thou eat of the eagle, nor of the
hawk, nor of the kite, nor of the crow. Thou shalt
not, he meaneth, cleave to, nor be like to men of this
sort, who know not how to provide sustenance for
themselves by labour and sweat, but in their iniquity
seize the property of others, and, as though they
walked in innocence, watch and observe whom they shall
plunder, through their covetousness; even as these
birds alone provide not sustenance for themselves by
means of toil, but, sitting idle, seek out how they
may eat the flesh of others, being destructive by
reason of their wickedness.
10:5 And thou shalt not eat, he saith, of the
lamprey, or the polypus, or the cuttle-fish. Thou shalt
not, he meaneth, cleave to or become like unto men of
this sort, who are impious unto the end, and have been
already condemned to death, even as these accursed
fish alone swim in the depth, not floating as the
others do, but dwelling in the earth below the depth
of the sea.
10:6 Thus, he saith, Thou shalt not eat the hare,
meaning thou shalt not indulge in unnatural lusts;
10:7 nor shalt thou eat the hyaena, meaning thou
shalt not be an adulterer;
10:8 nor shalt thou eat the weazel, meaning thou
shalt not do uncleanness with thy mouth concerning
food;
10:9 therefore Moses spake in the spirit these three
doctrines. But they, according to the lusts of their
flesh, received them as being about meat.
10:10 And David receiveth knowledge concerning the
same three doctrines, and saith in like manner,
Blessed is the man who hath not walked in the counsel
of the ungodly, even as the fish walk in darkness into
the depths of the sea, and hath not stood in the way
of sinners, even as they who pretend to fear the Lord
sin as doth the swine, and hath not sat in the seat of
the destroyers, even as the birds that sit for prey.
Ye have also in the end a commandment concerning food;
10:11 but Moses said, Eat ye everything that is
cloven-footed and that cheweth the cud. What meaneth
he? He that taketh food knoweth him that feedeth him,
and, resting upon him, seemeth to be glad. He
therefore saith well, having regard to the
commandment. What then meaneth he? Cleave ye unto them
that fear the Lord, who walk in his commandments,
which they have received in their hearts; unto them
that speak of the ordinances of the Lord, and observe
them, unto them who know that the practice of them is
a work of gladness, and who meditate on the word of
the Lord. But what meaneth that which cleaveth the
hoof? It meaneth that the just walketh even in this
world, and expecteth the holy life. Behold how well
Moses hath made these laws;
10:12 but how was it possible for them to perceive
or understand these things? But we, having rightly
understood the commandments, speak them even as the
Lord hath willed. On this account hath he circumcised
our ears and hearts, that we should understand these
things."
 
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There is a theme throughout the Bible that we must obey God rather than man, so we must be careful not to take something that was only against obeying the laws of men as being against obeying the Laws of the God that we serve, and you have not been careful to do this. My question is key to correctly understanding Peter's vision, so please answer it: why didn't Peter obey God's command to kill and eat by simply killing and eating one of the clean animals?

Acts 10:14 But Peter said, “By no means, Lord; for I have never eaten anything that is common or unclean.”

There are two issues here: Peter's refusal to eat anything that is common and his refusal to eat anything that is unclean. God has said that it is an abomination to eat unclean animals, so Peter's refusal to do so was good and proper, but his refusal to eat anything that was common led to his disobedience to God's command to kill and eat.

Acts 10:15 And the voice came to him again a second time, “What God has made clean, do not call common.”

God did not rebuke Peter for calling clean animals unclean, but for calling them common, so he had correctly called unclean animals unclean and had correctly refused to eat them, but had incorrectly called clean animals common and had incorrectly refused to eat them. He interpreted his vision three times in regard to the incorrect labeling of clean animals as referring to the incorrect labeling of Gentiles and not once did he even hint at interpreting his vision as saying that we are now able to eat unclean animals. I also raised some major issues with how you have interpreted his vision, so I invite you to address those.
Have it your FOOLISH way if you want, BUT MY and it is that of MANY MANY OTHERS, interpretation on this is that God has said that what HE made is NOT unclean, thus we are PERMITTED to eat it. I am NOT going to shove pork chops covered in bacon down your throat, NO, I wouldn't waste it on YOU, it tastes WAY TOO GOOD to WASTE, I WILL continue to thoroughly ENJOY my PORK chops along with liver and BACON.
 
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Have it your FOOLISH way if you want, BUT MY and it is that of MANY MANY OTHERS, interpretation on this is that God has said that what HE made is NOT unclean, thus we are PERMITTED to eat it. I am NOT going to shove pork chops covered in bacon down your throat, NO, I wouldn't waste it on YOU, it tastes WAY TOO GOOD to WASTE, I WILL continue to thoroughly ENJOY my PORK chops along with liver and BACON.

He has convictions to honor God's word, as he understands it. Just remember this:

1 John 3:10-11 In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest: Whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is he who does not love his brother. 11 For this is the message that you heard from the beginning, that we should love one another
 
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I guess what I really want to know is why do we eat things that we know are unhealthy to our bodies, that cause our bodies to get fat and diseased when we know we
shouldn't eat those things?

First. IDK why you started your question with "why eat port"
It is confusing me that the question is now eating unhealthy things.

Those are two totally different questions. I considered the first question asked and answered. In addition, just because I have multiple GI issues and guess what? I cannot be vegan/vegetarian. It would kill me. I hated meat of any kind the first part of my life until all these problems.

The second could be expanded to
"why do we sin"

So, would you clarify what it is you are really asking?
 
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