Is this true?

Johnnz · May 15, 2017

RaymondG said:
When you are born from above, you are a new creature....old things are passed away ....behold, all things are new. What is this talk about still having a past? God forgets your past.... and you should as well.

What utter nonsense. So, you have no memories whatsoever about any of your past including past wrongs? If you do have them then you are falling short of your own statement. Having our past forgiven is not the same as having them erased from our memories.

The bible doesnt talk about mental illness? God can heal all manner of sicknesses and diseases. All of them and there is nothing impossible to those who believe.

Yes He can. Buy anyone with any experience of mental illness will tell you that has not happened for them yet. To then imply that it must be some fault of theirs only adds further cruel condemnation upon such a person.

Your beliefs are good and fine. But we shouldnt lower the standards and beliefs of others to our own. I may only be able to move a pebble with my beliefs. But This doesnt mean I should hinder those who want to move mountains...

If you want to stay in illness, that is find. But we serve a God who can remove them all..

Those who know nothing of mental illness can offer only the ignorance that simplistic text quoting reveals. With such beliefs you will never be in a position to really help anyone with mental health struggles. Sad

John
NZ

RaymondG · May 15, 2017

Johnnz said:
Those who know nothing of mental illness can offer only the ignorance that simplistic text quoting reveals. With such beliefs you will never be in a position to really help anyone with mental health struggles. Sad

John
NZ

Seems that my beliefs offend you. For that I apologize. And I reiterate....I have no problem with your belief in sickness and it's power over the "Saved." Please ignore any of my comment on being healed or the power of God...they are only for those who believe.

GirdYourLoins · May 15, 2017

While God can heal any illness a lot of what is being said here is nonconstructive and potentially dangerous. You dont go from being unsaved to completely healed at the point of salvation and many people in many churches throughout the world are working through their salvation. It takes time to mature as a Christian and get to a point where you are fully reliant on Him. I have seen people healed instantly, but in real life that is a rarity.

I think you also need to look at yourselves very carefully. A lot of the comments on here a are judging people because they are not healed. we are called to act in love and that is not love, it is judgemental. Are you God that you can judge people? If you have never come across a Christian that is working through their past you must be in a very sheltered church that does not convert the most needy in society. I dont mean to judge you, just to warn you against being too critical of other people. What have you been through in life that gives you the right to say that people who are not healed arent saved? (This is a genuine question). If you have been healed of something like mental illness you should spend more time being thankful for it ans less telling people who havent had the same healing that they are not saved. Maybe you should try to encourage them in love to help them reach that point rather than tell them they are not saved and if they were they would have been healed. You will do more damage than good and I have seen people pushed away from God and the church rather then growing in God by being told things like that. You need to walk in love rather than judgement.

Saint Beloved · May 15, 2017

GirdYourLoins said:
While God can heal any illness a lot of what is being said here is nonconstructive and potentially dangerous. You dont go from being unsaved to completely healed at the point of salvation and many people in many churches throughout the world are working through their salvation. It takes time to mature as a Christian and get to a point where you are fully reliant on Him.

I think you also need to look at yourselves very carefully. A lot of the comments on here a are judging people because they are not healed. Are you God that you can judge people? If you have never come across a Christian that is working through their past you must be in a very sheltered church that does not convert the most needy in society. I dont mean to judge, you, just to warn you against being too critical of other people. What have you been through in life that gives you the right to say that people who are not healed arent saved? (This is a genuine question). If you have been healed of something like mental illness you should spend more time being thankful for it ans less telling people who havent had the same healing that they are not saved. Maybe you should try to encourage them in love to help them reach that point rather than tell them they are not saved and if they were they would have been healed. You will do more damage than good and I have seen people pushed away from God and the church rather then growing in God by being told things like that. You need to walk in love rather than judgement.

Thanks couldn't have put it better myself, my thoughts, your words, perfect gentle correction. God bless you.

Johnnz · May 15, 2017

RaymondG said:
Seems that my beliefs offend you. For that I apologize. And I reiterate....I have no problem with your belief in sickness and it's power over the "Saved." Please ignore any of my comment on being healed or the power of God...they are only for those who believe.

Well, I both believe in and have experienced God's power in healing people of past issues. But I have also had experiences when God hasn't, or healing has come through therapy or some other source. That's why I reject simplistic 'solutions' from people who have little or no experience of mental health issues.

Girdyourloins' post is very wise. Absorb it and learn.

Bless you.

John
NZ

RaymondG · May 15, 2017

Johnnz said:
Well, I both believe in and have experienced God's power in healing people of past issues. But I have also had experiences when God hasn't, or healing has come through therapy or some other source. That's why I reject simplistic 'solutions' from people who have little or no experience of mental health issues.

Girdyourloins' post is very wise. Absorb it and learn.

Bless you.

John
NZ

This thread is not about me or you. I take no pleasure in boosting about what I've overcome.....for it was no doing of my own....but of God. I preferr to let the reader know that there is nothing impossible for God and they dont have to believe that they are stuck in any situation because others are. But be it unto them as they believe....whoever report they chose to believe.

Saint Beloved · May 15, 2017

RaymondG said:
This thread is not about me or you. I take no pleasure in boosting about what I've overcome.....for it was no doing of my own....but of God. I preferr to let the reader know that there is nothing impossible for God and they dont have to believe that they are stuck in any situation because others are. But be it unto them as they believe....whoever report they chose to believe.

Quoting Scripture to encourage believers is good but it has to be tactfully done and unfortunately tonight it just came across as less than you intended. But it's ok we all learn to judge our audiences and respond accordingly to the Holy Spirit as we mature in Him we do better!

God bless you.

RaymondG · May 15, 2017

GirdYourLoins said:
While God can heal any illness a lot of what is being said here is nonconstructive and potentially dangerous. You dont go from being unsaved to completely healed at the point of salvation and many people in many churches throughout the world are working through their salvation. It takes time to mature as a Christian and get to a point where you are fully reliant on Him. I have seen people healed instantly, but in real life that is a rarity.

I think you also need to look at yourselves very carefully. A lot of the comments on here a are judging people because they are not healed. we are called to act in love and that is not love, it is judgemental. Are you God that you can judge people? If you have never come across a Christian that is working through their past you must be in a very sheltered church that does not convert the most needy in society. I dont mean to judge you, just to warn you against being too critical of other people. What have you been through in life that gives you the right to say that people who are not healed arent saved? (This is a genuine question). If you have been healed of something like mental illness you should spend more time being thankful for it ans less telling people who havent had the same healing that they are not saved. Maybe you should try to encourage them in love to help them reach that point rather than tell them they are not saved and if they were they would have been healed. You will do more damage than good and I have seen people pushed away from God and the church rather then growing in God by being told things like that. You need to walk in love rather than judgement.

Who are you judging as judgers? I dont see any links to salvation and healing made here. Jesus Healed many based on their faith (with mention of those people being filled with the spirit)....and there were towns that he could not do much work in because of their unbelief. I didnt see anyone questioning salvation. I see people advising that they are many "Saved" who are still mentally ill and suicidal so these facts are normal for the "saved". And then there are those who talk about the power of God to heal and that it could and be used if desired. Which one of these standpoints, are you suggesting is judgmental, or detrimental/damaging?

RaymondG · May 15, 2017

Saint Beloved said:
Quoting Scripture to encourage believers is good but it has to be tactfully done and unfortunately tonight it just came across as less than you intended. But it's ok we all learn to judge our audiences and respond accordingly to the Holy Spirit as we mature in Him we do better!

God bless you.

Im confused as to what you are talking about, as you qouted a conversation i was having with someone else. Can you show me a post that was un-tactfully done, in your opinion?

pgarcia43 · May 15, 2017

Far Side Of the Moon said:
If you're filled with God's spirit and saved...
You won't experience depression, suicidal thoughts, mental illness.... No matter what happens you bounce back and are always faithful..

And if you don't...you're not saved...

Is that really true... If so maybe I should examine myself...but I do know in my heart and soul in saved...and I will battle anyone all day..because I know what I did and believe in and I remember my baptism.

I used to feel like that, but I "heard" the book the purpose driven life by Rick Warren from Saddle Back Church, and I understood a lot of things. Now I have no doubts, and I have a more eternal perspective. I highly recommend the book.

Far Side Of the Moon · May 15, 2017

pgarcia43 said:
I used to feel like that, but I "heard" the book the purpose driven life by Rick Warren from Saddle Back Church, and I understood a lot of things. Now I have no doubts, and I have a more eternal perspective. I highly recommend the book.

Can you give me the gist of it?

GirdYourLoins · May 15, 2017

RaymondG said:
Who are you judging as judgers? I dont see any links to salvation and healing made here. Jesus Healed many based on their faith (with mention of those people being filled with the spirit)....and there were towns that he could not do much work in because of their unbelief. I didnt see anyone questioning salvation. I see people advising that they are many "Saved" who are still mentally ill and suicidal so these facts are normal for the "saved". And then there are those who talk about the power of God to heal and that it could and be used if desired. Which one of these standpoints, are you suggesting is judgemental, or detrimental/damaging?

There were certainly posts saying if you have mental illness you havent been saved and you havent been healed. Yours came across as pretty much that as well although I accept this may be my interpretation of what you wrote. All I am trying to say is you need to be tactful when dealing with people with mental illness. I have over a decades experience of volunteering with the homeless including a lot with mental health issues. I've led many of them to the Lord (thank you Lord for using me) and learned you have to be so careful of everything you say with people who are not in a good state of mental health. Ive also suffered from depression and anxiety in the past so know what its like. A lot of people have suffered abuse and trauma, all I am saying is you need to be careful how you speak/write to them as it can come across as judgemental. I learned to avoid that the hard way. I have a very direct style of writing which can be misinterpreted. I try (and often fail) to write in a way which cant be read as aggressive or angry when its not meant o be at all....possibly on here.

ToBeLoved · May 15, 2017

Pilgrim · May 15, 2017

Far Side Of the Moon said:
Can you give me the gist of it [The Purpose Driven Life by Rick Warren]?

Amazon.com Review: The Purpose Driven Life by Rick Warren

You are not an accident. Even before the universe was created, God had you in mind, and he planned you for his purposes. These purposes will extend far beyond the few years you will spend on earth. You were made to last forever! Self-help books often suggest that you try to discover the meaning and purpose of your life by looking within yourself, but Rick Warren says that is the wrong place to start. You must begin with God, your Creator, and his reasons for creating you. You were made by God and for God, and until you understand that, life will never make sense. This book will help you understand why you are alive and God's amazing plan for you---both here and now, and for eternity. Rick Warren will guide you through a personal 40-day spiritual journey that will transform your answer to life's most important question: What on earth am I here for? Knowing God's purpose for creating you will reduce your stress, focus your energy, simplify your decisions, give meaning to your life, and, most importantly, prepare you for eternity. The Purpose Driven Life is a blueprint for Christian living in the 21st century---a lifestyle based on God's eternal purposes, not cultural values. Using over 1,200 scriptural quotes and references, it challenges the conventional definitions of worship, fellowship, discipleship, ministry, and evangelism. In the tradition of Oswald Chambers, Rick Warren offers distilled wisdom on the essence of what life is all about. This is a book of hope and challenge that you will read and re-read, and it will be a classic treasured by generations to come. Source: https://www.amazon.com/Purpose-Driven-Life-Rick-Warren/dp/0310205719

Youtube.com: The Purpose Driven Life Audiobook by Rick Warren (Playlist: 1/10 videos)

Far Side Of the Moon · May 15, 2017

Mr. O said:
Amazon.com Review: The Purpose Driven Life by Rick Warren

You are not an accident. Even before the universe was created, God had you in mind, and he planned you for his purposes. These purposes will extend far beyond the few years you will spend on earth. You were made to last forever! Self-help books often suggest that you try to discover the meaning and purpose of your life by looking within yourself, but Rick Warren says that is the wrong place to start. You must begin with God, your Creator, and his reasons for creating you. You were made by God and for God, and until you understand that, life will never make sense. This book will help you understand why you are alive and God's amazing plan for you---both here and now, and for eternity. Rick Warren will guide you through a personal 40-day spiritual journey that will transform your answer to life's most important question: What on earth am I here for? Knowing God's purpose for creating you will reduce your stress, focus your energy, simplify your decisions, give meaning to your life, and, most importantly, prepare you for eternity. The Purpose Driven Life is a blueprint for Christian living in the 21st century---a lifestyle based on God's eternal purposes, not cultural values. Using over 1,200 scriptural quotes and references, it challenges the conventional definitions of worship, fellowship, discipleship, ministry, and evangelism. In the tradition of Oswald Chambers, Rick Warren offers distilled wisdom on the essence of what life is all about. This is a book of hope and challenge that you will read and re-read, and it will be a classic treasured by generations to come. Source: The Purpose Driven Life: Rick Warren: 9780310205715: Amazon.com: Books

Youtube.com: The Purpose Driven Life Audiobook by Rick Warren (Playlist: 1/10 videos)

I might have to get that book, along with lily singh's how to be a bawse

RaymondG · May 15, 2017

GirdYourLoins said:
There were certainly posts saying if you have mental illness you havent been saved and you havent been healed. Yours came across as pretty much that as well although I accept this may be my interpretation of what you wrote. All I am trying to say is you need to be tactful when dealing with people with mental illness. I have over a decades experience of volunteering with the homeless including a lot with mental health issues. I've led many of them to the Lord (thank you Lord for using me) and learned you have to be so careful of everything you say with people who are not in a good state of mental health. Ive also suffered from depression and anxiety in the past so know what its like. A lot of people have suffered abuse and trauma, all I am saying is you need to be careful how you speak/write to them as it can come across as judgemental. I learned to avoid that the hard way. I have a very direct style of writing which can be misinterpreted. I try (and often fail) to write in a way which cant be read as aggressive or angry when its not meant o be at all....possibly on here.

I understand. I never gave my opinion on the OP. I responded to the posters who gave the one side of the illness being a normal part of being saved. Wanted readers to see there is another side as well and this side believes that there is alternative. But I'll take your advice, Those who claim mental illness I will leave alone and will tell of the power of God to heal to those with other illnesses.

RaymondG · May 15, 2017

Pilgrim · May 15, 2017

Far Side Of the Moon said:
I might have to get that book, along with lily singh's how to be a bawse

Please note that I am not endorsing the Rick Warren book (just providing you with the information you were seeking). The book has mixed reviews. In my view, the Bible is the only guide we need for how to live our lives, how to fellowship, pray, worship, and please God—there are no self-help guides that can match scripture.

GirdYourLoins · May 15, 2017

RaymondG said:
I understand. I never gave my opinion on the OP. I responded to the posters who gave the one side of the illness being a normal part of being saved. Wanted readers to see there is another side as well and this side believes that there is alternative. But I'll take your advice, Those who claim mental illness I will leave alone and will tell of the power of God to heal to those with other illnesses.

Why dont you try to act in love to them and encourage them that they can find healing in Jesus. To quote a certain film franchise "Only the Sith deal in absolutes". Try to find the middle ground where you can encourage them without condemning them. In my humble opinion that is acting in love.

RaymondG · May 15, 2017

GirdYourLoins said:
Why dont you try to act in love to them and encourage them that they can find healing in Jesus. To quote a certain film franchise "Only the Sith deal in absolutes". Try to find the middle ground where you can encourage them without condemning them. In my humble opinion that is acting in love.

Thank you for your opinion. I didnt know I was addressing posters with mental illnesses....I understand the responses now. I would erase every comment I gave but there is no point since they are quoted....

I find no fault in any of the opinions given here.....I will refrain from giving mine.

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