If we are in a "matrix", are we all in the same one, together, or do we have our own...?

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What about if it's about chase or be chased...? And there is no other option, like before Neo, became "The One" in the movie

Others had power(s), but more limited then Neo... Neo could "break" rules and laws, they (those that were his, and with him) could "bend" them...

Only Neo was "the One" (Like Christ)...

Jesus greatest wish, was that, by what he did, he could "open up" the "way" for others (to become what he became, and for us to have everything and anything he was entitled to, the"way", which is through him and with God... (somehow)...

Which I think the Father granted a way, the way (Him) for his wishes and dreams (for us) to become true...

God Bless!

I think you misunderstand the Purpose of Christ. His intention was not to open us up to being Gods. Just trying to bring us salvation. Not give us superpowers
 
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So let me get this straight...

You are asking us to provide you with specifics about a hypothetical scenario of your own invention?
It's not just hypothetical, it's quickly becoming scientific fact, it's just not quite there yet...

God Bless!
 
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I think you misunderstand the Purpose of Christ. His intention was not to open us up to being Gods. Just trying to bring us salvation. Not give us superpowers
What do you do or try to be or become long after having salvation, cause that is where I am at...

God Bless!
 
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The matrix is a half truth. The devil is subtle and will tell half truths. He is the master of deception.

The matrix replaces God with a construct, mankind.

Genesis 3:1:
Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden

Revelation 12:9:
And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Man will never be god because there is only 1 God. The very definition of God is a single entity. Those that believe the word of God are sons of God, they are not Gods.
 
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What do you do or try to be or become long after having salvation, cause that is where I am at...

God Bless!

The saved go to heaven. and that comes at the end of time.
Yeah... heaven is not going to be this place plus superpowers for the saved. There won't be demons and unsaved people in Heaven.

We are not going to be Gods. If we are going to use the Matrix as an analogy, those who were unplugged were given a bit more ability in the matrix to resist the demons, but that did not put them at God-status with Neo
Only Neo could ever be Neo and Have Neo's power.
 
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I believe we are all in a "matrix", "holodeck" like kind of thing... If so,

If we are in a "matrix", kind of thing, are we all in the same one, together?, or do we each have our own...?

Science on this maybe...?

Comments...?

God Bless!
No way to tell yet. We could be in the same one, or everyone could be in theirvown simulation.

Such thing poses some interesting thought on gods, existence, and the fermi paradox.
 
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It's not just hypothetical, it's quickly becoming scientific fact, it's just not quite there yet...

God Bless!

Care to provide a source for the claim that it's becoming scientific fact we live in a simulation?

A scientific source please.
 
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Care to provide a source for the claim that it's becoming scientific fact we live in a simulation?

A scientific source please.
You'll all find out in time, if you live that long that is...

God Bless!
 
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I think you misunderstand the Purpose of Christ. His intention was not to open us up to being Gods. Just trying to bring us salvation. Not give us superpowers
But the reward for our acceptance of him as our Lord and Savior involves out becoming more than mere humans. It involves becoming like him in our resurrection and being glorified with spirit, incorruptible bodies far superior to the ones we have now.

1 Cor 15

35But someone will ask, “How are the dead raised? With what kind of body will they come?” 36You fool! What you sow does not come to life unless it dies. 37And what you sow is not the body that will be, but just a seed, perhaps of wheat or something else. 38But God gives it a body as He has designed, and to each kind of seed He gives its own body.

39Not all flesh is the same: Men have one kind of flesh, animals have another, birds another, and fish another. 40There are also heavenly bodies and earthly bodies. But the splendor of the heavenly bodies is of one degree, and the splendor of the earthly bodies is of another. 41The sun has one degree of splendor, the moon another, and the stars another; and star differs from star in splendor.

42So will it be with the resurrection of the dead: What is sown is perishable; it is raised imperishable. 43It is sown in dishonor; it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness; it is raised in power. 44It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. 45So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living being;”e the last Adam a life-giving spirit.

46The spiritual, however, was not first, but the natural, and then the spiritual. 47The first man was of the dust of the earth, the second man from heaven. 48As was the earthly man, so also are those who are of the earth; and as is the heavenly man, so also are those who are of heaven. 49And just as we have borne the likeness of the earthly man, so also shall we bear the likeness of the heavenly man.

Where, O Death, is Your Victory?
(Isaiah 57:1-2; Hosea 13:14)

50Now I declare to you, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.

51Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed— 52in an instant, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. 53For the perishable must be clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality.

54When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come to pass: “Death has been swallowed up in victory.”f
 
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But the reward for our acceptance of him as our Lord and Savior involves out becoming more than mere humans. It involves becoming like him in our resurrection and being glorified with spirit, incorruptible bodies far superior to the ones we have now.

ok... but that doesn't make us Gods and give us supernatural powers. That just brings us back to the way things were supposed to be.
 
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ok... but that doesn't make us Gods and give us supernatural powers. That just brings us back to the way things were supposed to be.

Please keep in mind that resurrection to heaven has the purpose of granting the resurrected a share in governing the universe as kings with Christ and are provided both with the authority and the necessary powers to do so by his side.;


Revelation 20:6
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Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.

Revelation 3:21
To the one who is victorious, I will grant the right to sit with Me on My throne, just as I overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.

Revelation 20:4
Then I saw the thrones, and those seated on them had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image, and had not received its mark on their foreheads or hands. And they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.


Revelation 22:5
There will be no more night in the city, and they will have no need for the light of a lamp or of the sun. For the Lord God will shine on them, and they will reign forever and ever.
 
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Please keep in mind that resurrection to heaven has the purpose of granting the resurrected a share in governing the universe as kings with Christ and are provided both with the authority and the necessary powers to do so by his side.;

I'm not so sure I agree with your interpretation.

One thing I most certainly will not agree with (if this is what you are saying) is that we will be governing sinners and demons, or fighting demons. They'll all be cast into the Lake of Fire. If there is any governing done in the afterlife... it will be done over other saved individuals...

edit: oh those are scriptures quoted. I thought they were quotes of someone else you were responding to.
You are referring to the thousand year reign. If that is they way you are interpreting it... the devil and demons will be thrown in a bottomless pit during that time... so no agents.
 
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I'm not so sure I agree with your interpretation.

One thing I most certainly will not agree with (if this is what you are saying) is that we will be governing sinners and demons, or fighting demons. They'll all be cast into the Lake of Fire. If there is any governing done in the afterlife... it will be done over other saved individuals...

edit: oh those are scriptures quoted. I thought they were quotes of someone else you were responding to.
You are referring to the thousand year reign. If that is they way you are interpreting it... the devil and demons will be thrown in a bottomless pit during that time... so no agents.

I never claimed that resurrected Christians will be governing demons and sinners. Clearly these are removed as are all Earth's Satanically controlled governments prior to the establishment of a righteous new order on Earth.

2 Peter 3:13
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But in keeping with his promise we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, where righteousness dwells.


Daniel 2:44
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"In the time of those kings, the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed, nor will it be left to another people. It will crush all those kingdoms and bring them to an end, but it will itself endure forever.
 
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I never claimed that resurrected Christians will be governing demons and sinners. Clearly these are removed as are all Earth's Satanically controlled governments prior to the establishment of a righteous new order on Earth.

ok. well I'm not sure what you believe. but it seems we both agree that the afterlife is not going to be like the Matrix. :)
 
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I never claimed that resurrected Christians will be governing demons and sinners. Clearly these are removed as are all Earth's Satanically controlled governments prior to the establishment of a righteous new order on Earth.

Hey, @Radrook, do you buy into the whole "matrix-like" or "holodeck-like" simulation, mathematical construct, theory "thing", or not...

If not, why not..., or how did you arrive at that conclusion...?

If so, again, how did you arrive at that conclusion...?

ok. well I'm not sure what you believe. but it seems we both agree that the afterlife is not going to be like the Matrix. :)

We'll see...

God Bless!
 
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We'll see...

God Bless!

In the most literal sense... I'm not saying that we won't be able to soar around the universe like Superman. I really don't know. I think it would be more like Adam and Eve, Garden of Eden conditions, but who knows.

At least we know The world won't be like the Matrix because it will be devoid of evil ;)
There won't be fighting or a need to fight.
 
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Hey, @Radrook, do you buy into the whole "matrix-like" or "holodeck-like" simulation, mathematical construct, theory "thing", or not...

If not, why not..., or how did you arrive at that conclusion...?

If so, again, how did you arrive at that conclusion...?

God Bless!

If it is the only means at God's disposal to create our reality then it might indeed be a hologram. However, creating an illusion of that magnitude poses a theological problem since it could be interpreted as being deceitful and we are told that God does not lie. So based on that fact it would seem that we have to reject the concept.

On the other hand who says that a hologram existence need be an illusion and isn't as real as the existence we are assuming to be experiencing now? So from that perspective, all that the Bible describes as reality, though holographic in nature, might very well qualify as genuinely real.

In short, it might or might not be as physicists are theorizing, but if it is, I personally see no reason to find it totally incompatible with the Biblically-described reality since for all practical purposes in relation to life, death, salvation, things remain essentially the same.
 
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If it is the only means at God's disposal to create our reality then it might indeed be a hologram. However, creating an illusion of that magnitude poses a theological problem since it could be interpreted as being deceitful and we are told that God does not lie. So based on that fact it would seem that we have to reject the concept.

On the other hand who says that a hologram existence need be an illusion and isn't as real as the existence we are assuming to be experiencing now? So from that perspective, all that the Bible describes as reality, though holographic in nature, might very well qualify as genuinely real.

In short, it might or might not be as physicists are theorizing, but if it is, I personally see no reason to find it totally incompatible with the Biblically-described reality since for all practical purposes in relation to life, death, salvation, things remain essentially the same.
What is "real", as Morpheous would say...? And, when that Judas, Cypher betrayed them, Trinity said the Matrix wasn't real, and he said he disagreed, that he thought the Matrix could be more real than this the real world that they were now in after being "awakened", and knowing of two different "reals"...

What is real...?

We have nothing to go on right now with that but "this" right now... Until we go to another place, how can we have a different definition of "real"...?

I believe we will though, one day...

God Bless!
 
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Compared to what we are now, those who are exalted will will be super, compared to god, not so much. I dont see anything super natural. If we are to be immortal, then we will be ever learning and everworking, which will be an ever increasing power, to be a resource for God in building his kingdom.

As for the matrix idea, it is not deceptive if for those who participate init agreed to do so with in full knowledge beforehand and then have a memory block implementedon them after they enter the simulation (it would account for "the veil")
 
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