Recent Bill Nye Hatred...
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No, what you are actually doing is excusing your inability to put up a coherent argument. You chose to post in this thread and challenge others about "evolution" and the minute they address you, you go on about how you are "tired" of it. You aren't tired of it, you have literally nothing to say about it, yet you keep engaging people about the issue in the hope they don't address the obvious.
You are babbling at this point. You are literally posting words for the sake of posting words.
Seriously, look at what you just wrote there.
You can define words however you want. If you are going to use a single word, then demand proof and when it is given to you, change the definition... and then argue in response that you can define the word however you want... it becomes difficult to see as anything other than intellectual dishonesty.
I didn't prove what?
I didn't prove evolution? I defined what evolution is and pointed out the various ways of proving it. I even realized that you weren't even asking for proof of evolution, that you have no idea what evolution means or involves and discussed that.
I countered any argument you could have have. Your response was that you can define evolution any way you want to.
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You can actually read everything posted in this topic.
You aren't a politician being questioned about a conversation you had 20 years ago. You are being asked about the things you said in a recent completely recorded conversation you still have access to and you said something about "I shove the past to a place it's hard, if not impssible for me to remember all of it, but only that it was there."
I am a normal person, going by normal person intuition, so can you tell me how that does not sound remarkably odd?
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No what I'm actually doing is what I said I was doing. I was going to go into detail, but the post is right there for you to see.
On the other hand, what you are doing is attempting to goad me into waiting more time on something I've done to death already. You missed the show, deal with it. If you need to pretend I have nothing because you weren't around for it, or refuse to look for it, so you can walk away with a win...suit yourself.
Again, suit yourself. Do you really think I'm going to cave to rude/uncalled for comments like that designed to force me into argument? Please, I'm doing my best to give you some credit here but...
LOL, I think you missed the point completely.
I see, and this is becoming way too over used BTW...what if I were to just say, nope you don't understand God? end of story? You know what would happen, yet you all keep throwing that around as defense?
Is it any wonder I'm losing interest.
And yes you figured out the question, you did not prove evolution, nothing there for me to reply to. Doing so would peak my interest, otherwise, same ol' same ol', and to sum up the basis of a lot of what I'm saying, it just gets old.
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If you don't believe what I said, or disagree with my ideas on that, then deal with it...it's hardly something I'm going to waste time arguing.
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Post 287 has an example of one of the creationist groups making up the claim that we should expect more transitionals than we do.
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Why is it such a problem to be specific. If you think I'm lying and do know what you are referring to, why bother even posing it, I'm a liar so why bother even talking to me.
On the other hand, and as I said I have no idea where what you are claiming is. I REALLY DON'T SEE IT.
Something is amiss here.
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I just don't have the patience some of you have to keep trying to explain evolution to the people that will not accept it. Big thanks to those of you who don't give up, despite the obvious frustration it can cause. There's things I've learned from reading posts on here and then going off to look further into them myself.
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And vice versa for those explaining there is nothing to explain since it never pans out when we get into the details...never.
So, for those who choose not to want a God to exist, in spite of being told this has nothing to do with God existing or not, you'd best not dig too deep. Believe what you are told, in that all this massive amount of proof *must* contain enough truth to make it a fact...that makes it easy to fool yourselves, and I assure you, works perfectly for many.
For the others, never stop digging, even if it's just slightly below the surface. Make em prove out what they are saying, and watch it fall apart as proof every time.
Evolution is a complete joke.. precisely why some don't buy it.
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I'm going to say this next bit (hoping that people don't get too sore about it)...being that you referred to what others believe as "a complete joke", I'm assuming that means you, like I, have a thick skin and aren't the kind of person who clicks the "report" button.
While you believe that evolution is a complete joke, you have to understand that many of us feel the same way about the biblical accounts of things.
Being perfectly candid about it, the concepts of
-Noah's magic 450ft boat that holds 4 million animals is laughable,
-the idea of virgin births is contradictory to everything we know about human reproduction,
-raising people from the dead is something that's never been witnessed in any tangible way (outside of anecdotal accounts from books written hundreds of years ago)
-nobody has ever witnessed the process of walking on water, turning water into wine, etc...
-nobody has seen a person live to be 900+ years old...
So, the notion that you'd be completely willing to get your information from that book, but then completely write off peer reviewed research as "a complete joke" seems odd to many of us.
That's where I am puzzled when I debate Christian creationists on this topic. When it comes to rationalizing their own beliefs, the bar is set very low in terms of requiring tangible evidence in order to believe something, yet, when discussing evolution, they all of the sudden develop these lofty standards of proof where "if you can't completely recreate the process in front of me so I can see the entire thing from start to finish in front of my own eyes, then I don't believe it happened".
Or, another way to put it, explain to me why evolution is unfathomable, but the story of Noah's Ark is completely believable?
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Never reported anyone...a strict rule of mine to not make reality go away. Removal of curse words is probably a good idea. As for the thick skin...in this area I find the opposition not doing so well to be the reason.. or vindictivity, nothing more.
Of course.
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Bad start. so first let me ask you how you think life got it's start, then we can talk about the "magic" you mention.
I'll get to the rest of your post as I can.
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On that matter, I'm not sure, I'm not an expert in the field of big bang cosmology or physics.
However, evolution doesn't try to answer the question of "how life started", it merely tries to answer the question of how life evolved after it was already in place.
Thus the reason you have a large number of people who are theistic evolutionists, (they believe in evolution, but they still feel that there was a god who created life to begin with, and evolution just explains how life progressed after that)
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As far as I know, most Atheists have dumped what one might call the magic big bang theory, and moved on to "don't know", a very popular consensus these days. Whatever on that but I'm only asking what you "think".. humor me. You say "nor sure" so that indicates you have at least something for me, almost, if not everyone, does.
That is the popular belief passed on by evolutionists, and a rule I think they just hide behind since we are being honest here. Also, I think the beginning has everything to do with fully explaining how anything happens, but I'm not going to hash that out. We're already getting so far off just trying to get started here, and I only asked a simple common question.
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Why is "I don't know" such an unacceptable answer in your opinion? Is it because in order for you to suggest that "the other side is no better" they have to claim to be as sure of the origin of life as you claim to be?
I mean, I could just make something up at random just so you could shoot it down as being no more provable than what you believe...is that what you're after?
Nobody is hiding behind anything...evolution strictly focuses on how life evolved, not the origins of life. That's not a dodge by any means, that's simply the definition of the field of study.
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