Show me the curve.

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You just repeated that you can't show or prove the alleged curve. You can't explain how the Chicago skyline {not a mirage) can be photographed from 50 miles away.
you make a lot of impressive sounds but you don't prove anything.

Assuming one is not elevated above the surface, distant objects can sometimes be seen above the curvature of the Earth due to atmospheric refraction. At the same time, it can make otherwise visible objects disappear below the horizon. This occurs with the sun and moon appearing or setting before or after they should.
 
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You just completely ignored my post. Who is responsible for this grand conspiracy dating back 500 years when Europeans first started circumnativigating the globe?
You gotta go back even further than that. The ancient Greeks understood the Earth was round were making pretty accurate measurements of the circumference of the Earth at least as early as 240BC.

The idea that people as late as ~600 years ago thought the world was flat is a myth. A popular misconception is that people thought the world was flat up until Columbus "proved" the world was round. Except Columbus did no such thing. The size and shape of the earth was well understood by that point. The issue with Columbus was that he thought the world was significantly smaller than the commonly accepted size, and thus thought sailing West to get to the Indies would be a good route. Everyone else realized that would be a LONG way to go and without any known land along the way, it'd be a death sentence. Columbus just got lucky in that there was a Continent that most people didn't know about.
 
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There is no relationship between a straight line of sight and the curvature of the Earth. You would need to define that line in relation to the sphere. For example, we can create a straight line through a laser pointer. Thus, emulating a straight line of sight we have at the center of our eyes' focus. I could place it level on the ground, at which point there would be a relationship to define mathematically. I could place it on top of a ladder, or a building, which would change the relationship. I could place the laser at any number of angles, also changing the relationship.

We can create any numbers of mathematic formulae to describe this relationship. So, if we put a laser pointer on the ground, perpendicular to the distance to the center (flat on the ground), we can determine with simple geometry the change in distance of the beam of light to the surface of the Earth, at any particular point. We would be treating the light as it would behave in a vacuum, for the sake of simplicity, as atmospheric refraction can change this.

In this model, we can use a right angle triangle, as we know height squared plus base squared equals the squared length. (HxH + BxB= LxL). Since the Earth is a sphere, we can use its radius at our height (6371 km). That is, there are 6371 kilometers between the surface of the earth at which the laser pointer begins and the center of the Earth at which it is perpendicular. As the Earth is curved, we can expect the beam of light to increase its distance above the surface the more it travels. Let's make it 26.2km, the distance of a marathon run.

So we have a straight line, from the center of the Earth to the surface of 6371km. At this point, we form a right angle with the laser beam extending to a distance of 26.2km. The distance between that point, and the center of the Earth can easily be calculated:

HxH + BxB = LxL
6371x6371 + 26.2x26.2 = LxL
40,590,327.44 = L x L

L = 6371.0538720057924... km
Since the radius of the Earth is 6371km, we see that line of light, or "sight" is 0.0538720057924... km above the Earth. That's about 177 ft. Meaning, if line of sight was 177ft above ground, you could see the ground up to 26.2km away.

That's the math - and the reality is easily observed. When we increase our elevation, we can see further, before being limited by the horizon. If the Earth were flat, we would literally be able to see to the end of the Earth.

The Earth is not flat and anyone can see this. Go 500 ft up above the surface. Then 1000 ft. Then 2000 ft. The higher you go, the further you can see. If the Earth were flat, and there was nothing blocking your view of distant object going higher would actually increase your distance to the object and make it more obscure.
Distance causing obscurity is not a curvature problem.
That you can see it is hearsay. I've had plenty of 30,000 ft. commercial airline flights.

I didn't ask how far away I could see the ground at 177ft. above ground. I am asking the for the RATE of deviation from flatness on a 25,000 mile circumference.
I understand it is 8" for the first mile and increases by a square...
I finally found it.
Earth Curve Calculator:
Earth Curve Calculator

Here's a picture of Chicago from clear across Lake Michigan.
 
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Bad news guys. Right now, they are live streaming the 200th space walk as people are working on the International Space Station. And well... I saw the earth from one of the head cameras.. and it's round.

LIVE: NASA's 200th spacewalk - CNN.com
 
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Distance causing obscurity is not a curvature problem.
That you can see it is hearsay. I've had plenty of 30,000 ft. commercial airline flights.

I have no idea what idea or ideas you are trying to convey here.

I didn't ask how far away I could see the ground at 177ft. above ground. I am asking the for the RATE of deviation from flatness on a 25,000 mile circumference.
I understand it is 8" for the first mile and increases by a square...
I finally found it.
Earth Curve Calculator:
Earth Curve Calculator

I am confused by your use of the word deviation.

Here's a picture of Chicago from clear across Lake Michigan.

That's not a picture. That's a link to a youtube video.
 
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That video was clearly done by someone with a high level of education. His "proof" that the videos of the ISS were fake consisted of - "they're just crap" "they look different to me" "they look fake to me"

He literally had nothing of content or value to say. Nothing. Honestly, I feel bad for this guy. I also feel bad for myself as that's some time I can never get back. I stopped around the 30 minute mark.
 
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That video was clearly done by someone with a high level of education. His "proof" that the videos of the ISS were fake consisted of - "they're just crap" "they look different to me" "they look fake to me"

He literally had nothing of content or value to say. Nothing. Honestly, I feel bad for this guy. I also feel bad for myself as that's some time I can never get back. I stopped around the 30 minute mark.
Should I apologize?
 
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Probably. That was one of the worst videos I've ever seen and was completely devoid of any intellectual worth. The guy suggested that maybe we don't see stars from ISS pictures because the stars are actually in our atmosphere. I mean he didn't even present an actual argument against the video footage that you can get from the NASA website that is from the space station as being fake. The extent of his intellectual capital was to quickly click on them and go "yea that's crap" "that looks different to me" I mean it was terrible.
 
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Probably. That was one of the worst videos I've ever seen and was completely devoid of any intellectual worth. The guy suggested that maybe we don't see stars from ISS pictures because the stars are actually in our atmosphere. I mean he didn't even present an actual argument against the video footage that you can get from the NASA website that is from the space station as being fake. The extent of his intellectual capital was to quickly click on them and go "yea that's crap" "that looks different to me" I mean it was terrible.
I copied and pasted
"the video footage that you can get from the NASA website that is from the space station as being fake."
into a search engine for you:


the video footage that you can get from the NASA website that is from the space station as being fake. at DuckDuckGo

Maybe you should apologize for not having done so yourself already.
 
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Oh no, I have done it, and I can't imagine how anyone finds that stuff convincing.
Well then at least you can have sympathy for anyone who can't imagine how anyone isn't convinced?
Lacking imagination is horrible!
 
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