Will there be a second chance for salvation after the Rapture?

Some Bible interpreters believe that there will be absolutely no chance for salvation after the Rapture. However, there is no place in the Bible which says this or even hints to it. There will be many people who come to Christ during the Tribulation. The 144,000 Jewish witnesses (Revelation 7:4) are Jewish believers. If no one can come to Christ during the Tribulation, then why are people being beheaded for their faith (Revelation 20:4)? No passage of Scripture argues against people having a chance to be saved after the Rapture. Many passages indicate the opposite.

Another view is that those who hear the gospel and reject it before the Rapture cannot be saved. Those saved during the Tribulation, then, are those who had never heard the gospel before the Rapture. The “proof text” for this view is 2 Thessalonians 2:9-11, which says the Antichrist will work miracles to deceive “those who are perishing” and that God Himself will “send them a powerful delusion” to confirm them in their unbelief. The reason given is that “they refused to love the truth and so be saved” (verse 10). Granted, those who are hard-hearted toward the gospel before the Rapture are likely to remain so. And the Antichrist will deceive many (Matthew 24:5). But “those who refused to love the truth” does not necessarily refer to people who heard the gospel before the Rapture. It could be anyone who wholly rejects God’s salvation, at any time. So, there is no clear scriptural evidence to support this view.

Revelation 6:9-11 speaks of those martyred during the Tribulation “because of the word of God, and because of the testimony which they had maintained.” These martyrs will correctly interpret what they see during the Tribulation and will believe the gospel themselves and call on others to repent and believe as well. The Antichrist and his followers will not tolerate their evangelism and will kill them. All of these martyrs are people who were alive before the Rapture, but who were not believers until afterward. Therefore, there must be opportunity to come to Christ in faith after the Rapture.

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I do read about and hear of people that foolishly say they will wait to commit themselves to Christ until then. Some even seem to look forward to the tribulation so they can go through the trials to "prove themselves". Those that make those statements must have no idea how devastating a time that will be, especially the last 3-1/2 yrs. God must show great mercy during the time of tribulation, IMO, to bring so many into His Kingdom with the 2 witnesses and the 144,000 Jewish witnesses.


Quasar92

Quasar92 said:

Some Bible interpreters believe that there will be absolutely no chance for salvation after the Rapture. However, there is no place in the Bible which says this or even hints to it. There will be many people who come to Christ during the Tribulation. The 144,000 Jewish witnesses (Revelation 7:4) are Jewish believers. If no one can come to Christ during the Tribulation, then why are people being beheaded for their faith (Revelation 20:4)? No passage of Scripture argues against people having a chance to be saved after the Rapture. Many passages indicate the opposite.

Another view is that those who hear the gospel and reject it before the Rapture cannot be saved. Those saved during the Tribulation, then, are those who had never heard the gospel before the Rapture. The “proof text” for this view is 2 Thessalonians 2:9-11, which says the Antichrist will work miracles to deceive “those who are perishing” and that God Himself will “send them a powerful delusion” to confirm them in their unbelief. The reason given is that “they refused to love the truth and so be saved” (verse 10). Granted, those who are hard-hearted toward the gospel before the Rapture are likely to remain so. And the Antichrist will deceive many (Matthew 24:5). But “those who refused to love the truth” does not necessarily refer to people who heard the gospel before the Rapture. It could be anyone who wholly rejects God’s salvation, at any time. So, there is no clear scriptural evidence to support this view.

Revelation 6:9-11 speaks of those martyred during the Tribulation “because of the word of God, and because of the testimony which they had maintained.” These martyrs will correctly interpret what they see during the Tribulation and will believe the gospel themselves and call on others to repent and believe as well. The Antichrist and his followers will not tolerate their evangelism and will kill them. All of these martyrs are people who were alive before the Rapture, but who were not believers until afterward. Therefore, there must be opportunity to come to Christ in faith after the Rapture.

Read more: Will there be a second chance for salvation after the Rapture?
I do read about and hear of people that foolishly say they will wait to commit themselves to Christ until then. Some even seem to look forward to the tribulation so they can go through the trials to "prove themselves". Those that make those statements must have no idea how devastating a time that will be, especially the last 3-1/2 yrs. God must show great mercy during the time of tribulation, IMO, to bring so many into His Kingdom with the 2 witnesses and the 144,000 Jewish witnesses.


Quasar92

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Who/what are the 144,000 Israelites ?

According to the Bible, Jesus, Paul and John revealed, those of us who belong to His Church, will be CAUGHT UP [Raptured] to Him in the clouds of the sky, before the antichrist is revealed, as recorded in 2 Thes.2:3 and 7-8. Who triggers the seven year tribulation/70th Week of Daniel, God decreed Israel to go through in Dan.9:27.

[In connection with the Church = Jn.14:1-4 and 28; 1 Thes.4:14-18 and 2 Thes.2:1-8]. In connection with Israel = Jer.30:7 and Dan.9:27, where the person who 'confirms a covenant/treaty/agreement with Israel is the antichrist, and all three of the "he's" in that vs, triggers the 70th and final 'Week,'/seven year tribulation/Day of the Lord. Seen also in 2 Thes.2:3-4 and 7- 8].

Jesus said He has two sheep folds, Israel whom He was addressing, and the "other one He must also bring," the Church, according to Jn.10:16. He prophecied that they will become one fold with one Shepherd. He also said many who are first will be last [Israel] and many who are last will be first [The Church] in Mt.19:30. This will be fullfilled after the first resurrection af all the tribulation saints, in Rev.20:4-6, and then rule with Christ for 1,000 years, in Rev.4 and 6.

He meant His Church will be CAUGHT UP to be with Him before the tribulation, according to 1 Thes.4:16-17 and 2 Thes.2:1-8] and that Israel will go through the tribulation [Dan.9:27]. When Israel finally recognizes Jesus as their Messiah, according to Zech.12:10 , they will then come into the same sheep fold with the Church and the two will become one fold, with Jesus being the one Shepherd, when He establishes His Millennial kingdom here on earth according to Rev.20:6.

When the Church is Caught Up to be with the Lord in heaven, the antichrist is revealed and the tribulation begins, according to 2 Thes.2:3-4, 7-8; Dan.9:27 and Rev.6:2].

The overview of the tribulation, begins with the first of the four riders, on the white horse, who is the antichrist, in the first of seven seals; after the six seals, before the seventh seal that contains the seven trumpet judgements begins in Rev.; God will send 144,000 consisting of 12,000 Israelites from each of twelve of their tribes, that He "redeems from the earth" according to Rev.14:3. Sealing them, and they become converted believers in Jesus Christ who will take the place of the Raptured Church, to preach the Eternal Gospel in their absence, to all those left on the earth, according to Rev.7:1-8. Whom God will send here from heaven [as He will His two witnesses of Rev.11].

They were the righteous ones in OT Sheol when Jesus preached the gospel to them, according to 1 Pet.3:18-20. Then when He ascended into heaven, in Acts 1:9, He took all the righteous ones who came from OT Sheol with Him, as seen in Eph.4:7-10, fulfilling the prophecy in Ps.68:18. [During OT times, the spirits of the righteous dead went to Sheol, as did the wicked, because it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sin, according to Heb.10:3-4, Lk.16:19-23 and in Ps.49:14-15, until Jesus shed His blood and died on the cross, amplified by Paul in Rom.3:25-26.

The efforts of their work as evangelists is then revealed in the parenthetic [preview] view of the Great Multitude seen in heaven, recorded in Rev.7:9-17, who represents all of those who will be saved during the tribulation, and who are also the martyrs who participate in the first resurrection of Rev.20:4-6. They are the tribulation saints and are the ones who will be left behind, when the Church is raptured, and do not belong to the Church, until after the 144,000 bring them to the Lord. The 144,000 do not belong to the Church or they would be raptured with the Church before the tribulation begins.

When their work is finished, the 144,000 will be translated, and return to heaven, in Rev.14:1-5. When that happens, the earth will once again be without anyone to preach the Eternal Gospel. So God will commission an angel to do so in Rev.14:6-7.

Therefore, the 144,000 are all converted Israelites who take the place of the Raptured Church to preach the Gospel to all those who will be left behind when Jesus comes to take His Church with Him to our Father in heaven, as previously address above, documented in Jn.14:2-4 and 28; 1Thes.4:13-17 and 2 Thes.2:1-8.



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BABerean2 said:

The text in the Book of Revelation says the 144,000 are "virgins" and the "firstfruits" of the Lamb.

Rev 14:4　 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.　


In the verse below Paul uses the same language to describe Christians.

Rom 16:5　 Likewise greet the church that is in their house. Salute my wellbeloved Epaenetus, who is the firstfruits of Achaia unto Christ.　



Paul uses the word "virgin" to describe Christians.

2Co_11:2　 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.


Modern Dispensational Theology's Two Peoples of God/ Two Plans of God doctrine would rather not have it so clear in their attempts to claim that these cannot be members of the Church.

Revelation 12:11 proves otherwise.
A person cannot be under the Blood of the Lamb and not be under the Grace of the New Covenant Church.

Joh 10:16　 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.　

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The Scriptural facts pertaining to the 144.000 Israelites was previously revealed in the following:

The overview of the tribulation, begins with the first of the four riders, on the white horse, who is the antichrist, in the first of seven seals; after the six seals, before the seventh seal that contains the seven trumpet judgements begins in Rev.8; God will send 144,000 consisting of 12,000 Israelites from each of twelve of their tribes, that He "redeems from the earth" according to Rev.14:3. Sealing them, and they become converted believers [VIRGIN] in Jesus Christ who will take the place of the Raptured Church, to preach the Eternal Gospel in their absence, to all those left on the earth, according to Rev.7:1-8. Whom God will send here from heaven [as He will His two witnesses of Rev.11].

They were the righteous ones in OT Sheol when Jesus preached the gospel to them, according to 1 Pet.3:18-20. Then when He ascended into heaven, in Acts 1:9, He took all the righteous ones who came from OT Sheol with Him, as seen in Eph.4:7-10, fulfilling the prophecy in Ps.68:18. [During OT times, the spirits of the righteous dead went to Sheol, as did the wicked, because it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sin, according to Heb.10:3-4, Lk.16:19-23 and in Ps.49:14-15, until Jesus shed His blood and died on the cross, amplified by Paul in Rom.3:25-26.

The efforts of their work as evangelists is then revealed in the parenthetic [preview] view of the Great Multitude seen in heaven, recorded in Rev.7:9-17, who represents all of those who will be saved during the tribulation, and who are also the martyrs who participate in the first resurrection of Rev.20:4-6. They are the tribulation saints and are the ones who will be left behind, when the Church is raptured, and do not belong to the Church, until after the 144,000 bring them to the Lord. The 144,000 do not belong to the Church or they would be raptured with the Church before the tribulation begins.

When their work is finished, the 144,000 will be translated, and return to heaven, in Rev.14:1-5. When that happens, the earth will once again be without anyone to preach the Eternal Gospel. So God will commission an angel to do so in Rev.14:6-7.

Therefore, the 144,000 are all converted Israelites who take the place of the Raptured Church to preach the Gospel to all those who will be left behind when Jesus comes to take His Church with Him to our Father in heaven, as previously address above, documented in Jn.14:2-4 and 28; 1Thes.4:13-17 and 2 Thes.2:1-8.



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BABerean2 said:

Go to the modern State of Israel and ask those living there what tribe they come from.

You will not find most of the twelve tribes because the tribal identities were lost after the temple was destroyed in 70 AD and after that there has been intermarriage between various tribes and intermarriage with those of European and other ancestries. Most of the northern tribes had been lost long before the time of Christ, when they were conquered by the Assyrians.

Most of these twelve tribes no longer exist and therefore we must acknowledge the symbolic nature of the description of the 144,000.
In the same way, the two witnesses of Revelation 11 are not two men made of wood and metal, even though they are described as the "two olive trees" and "two lampstands".

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The above is the epitome of speculation. Do you think it makes a bit of difference in God's sight? No, it does not and is completely irrelevant.

Are the ten tribes of Israel really lost?

The disposition of the Ten Northern Tribes of Israel: From 722/712 B.C. to 445 B.C., through Jesus first advent.

Jeroboam was the first king of the ten tribes of Israel: 1 Kgs.12:31; 1 Kgs.13:33-34. He set up the wicked/immoral sacrificing, ceremonial activity and worship of pagan gods in high places. Dismissed all the Levitical priests and assigned heathen priests of his own.

As a result of Jeroboam's behavior, all the Levitical priests as well as a remnant of citizens from all 10 of the tribes of Israel, returned to Judah, under Rehoboam, first king of Judah and Benjamin: 2 Ch.11:13-17 and 2 Ch.15:9. That all 12 tribes of Israel were included into what was all Judah during Jesus first advent, is confirmed by His reference to "being sent only to the lost sheep of Israel," among many other places, in Mt.15:24 as well as in Mt.10:5-6. That is why they are now all called Jews. Because the tribe of Judah is where the term Jew originated. However, since all 12 of the tribes are represented, they are referred to as the original Israel. Confirmed by Paul in Rom.11:2-4, when God spared a remnant, totalling seven thousand of all ten tribes of the northern kingdom of Israel

In 612 B.C. Nabopolassar united the Babylonian army with an army of Medes and Scythians and led a campaign which captured the Assyrian citadels in the North. The Babylonian army laid siege to Nineveh, but the walls of the city were too strong for battering rams, so they decided to try and starve the people out. A famous oracle had been given that "Nineveh should never be taken until the river became its enemy." After a three month siege, "rain fell in such abundance that the waters of the Tigris inundated part of the city and overturned one of its walls for a distance of twenty stades. Then the King, convinced that the oracle was accomplished and despairing of any means of escape, to avoid falling alive into the enemy's hands constructed in his palace an immense funeral pyre, placed on it his gold and silver and his royal robes, and then, shutting himself up with his wives and eunuchs in a chamber formed in the midst of the pile, disappeared in the flames. Nineveh opened its gates to the besiegers, but this tardy submission did not save the proud city. It was pillaged and burned, and then razed to the ground so completely as to evidence the implacable hatred enkindled in the minds of subject nations by the fierce and cruel Assyrian government." (Lenormant and E. Chevallier, The Rise and Fall of Assyria).

"Nineveh was laid waste as ruthlessly and completely as her kings had once ravaged Susa and Babylon; the city was put to the torch, THE POPULATION WAS SLAUGHTERED OR ENSLAVED, and the palace so recently built by Ashurbanipal was sacked and destroyed. At one blow Assyria disappeared from history. Nothing remained of her except certain tactics and weapons of war ...The Near East remembered her for a while as a merciless unifier of a dozen lesser states; and the Jews recalled Nineveh vengefully as 'the bloody city, full of lies and robbery.' In a little while all but the mightiest of the Great Kings were forgotten, and all their royal palaces were in ruins under the drifting sands. Two hundred years after its capture, Xenophon's Ten Thousand marched over the mounds that had been Nineveh, and never suspected that these were the site of the ancient metropolis that had ruled half the world. Not a stone remained visible of all the temples with which Assyria's pious warriors had sought to beautify their greatest capital. Even Ashur, the everlasting god, was dead." (Will Durant, Our Oriental Heritage, pp. 283, 284).

Therefore, all of the Levites, priests and citizens of all ten of the ten tribes of the northern kingdom of Israel, under Jeroboam, who did not return to Judah/Benjamin, under Rehoboam in [about] 885 B.C., were carried off to Babylon in 612 B.C. Where they were united with the exiles from Judah/Benjamin from 605 through 586 B.C.

From there, remnants of all twelve tribes have been represented ever since the decrees by Cyrus, Darius and Artaxerxes, Persian kings, from 539 B.C. through 445 B.C., to rebuild the temple and Jerusalem, all the way though Jesus first advent. Those who have returned to Israel since May 14, 1948 consist of all 12 of the tribes of Israel, as prophecied in the Scriptures, in various places.

However, in God's great love, mercy and compassion for all His people, He will restore them again after the second coming of Christ, according to Hosea 3:4-5.

From the above Scriptural and historic facts, a remnant of all ten of the northern tribes of Israel were saved, but many thousands of others were lost. See 1 Kgs.19:18 and Rom.11:2-4.


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BABerean2 said:

You may not be aware of the fact that the Human Genome Project was completed quite some time ago.

Many people around the world are now having their DNA samples tested. They are finding that everyone now on the planet is made up of a combination of bloodlines.

There is absolutely ZERO evidence that any of the 12 tribes have been genetically preserved in their pure form, based on scientific evidence.

Most of the 12 tribes are just as extinct as the Wooly Mammoth and you are just as likely to encounter a human from all of those pure 12 tribes as you are to encounter a Wooly Mammoth roaming around in your neighborhood.

1Ti 1:4　 Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.　

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The OP together with the post pertaining to the 144,000 Israelites clearly explains the entire process. Your imagination has gotten completely away with you. How do you explain the nation of Israel surviving to this day? Review what God is going to do with them in Rev.7:1-8! You need to let the Bible reveal the events of the future and cut out the guessing!


Quasar92

BABerean2 said:

Are you referring to the land that Rothschild built?

Are you able to discern the difference between those who worship Baal and the remnant who are faithful to God in Romans 11:1-5?

Rev 2:9　 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.　

Rev 3:9　 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.　




1Jn 2:22　 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.　
1Jn 2:23　 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.　

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Totally irrelevant to my post #10! Answer the questions! The Great Multitude in Rev.7:9-17 is the same multitude as the one in Rev.20:4. They have all been saved AFTER the Church is raptured in Jn.14:2-3, 28; 1 Thess.4:16-17 and 2 Thess.2:3 and 7-8.


Quasar92

BABerean2 said:

Nobody is saved after Christ comes for His Church, based on the parable of the virgins in Matthew chapter 25.

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Read my post #12 that refutes your above assumptions. The Great Multitude in Rev.7:9-17 represent everyone who will be saved AFTER the departure of the Church, BEFORE the tribulation begins, recorded in 2 Thess.2:3 and 7-8. Do you really think no one will be saved during Jesus 1,000 year reign on the earth? There will undoubtedly be a very large number saved then.


Quasar92

BABerean2 said:

Rev_1:9　 I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Rev_2:9　 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

Rev_2:10　 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.


Rev 7:9　 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;　
Rev 7:10　 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.　
Rev 7:11　 And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God,　
Rev 7:12　 Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen.　
Rev 7:13　 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?　
Rev 7:14　 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.　
(You cannot come out of a room, unless you have been in the room.)

Rev 7:15　 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.　
Rev 7:16　 They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat.　
Rev 7:17　 For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.　


Rev 12:11　 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.　
(A person cannot be under the Blood of the Lamb unless they are under the Grace of the New Covenant Church.)


Heb 13:20　 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,　

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John was indeed suffering persecution at that time. Being exiled to an island prison by the Romans. As were all Christians and Israelites at that time.

That time frame has nothing whatever to do with the prophecies pertaining to the Great Tribulation Jesus described in Mt.24, Mk.13, Lk.21, Rev.6 and 7, or from thereon through Rev.19, as well as in Dan.9:27. That has not yet taken place.

Belief that those prophecies all took place by 70 A.D. are Preterists among a few others.


Quasar92

jgr said:

What are your criteria for determining "Jewishness"?

Are your criteria identical with those recognized by God in Rom. 2:28-29, in which genetics as a criterion is nowhere to be seen?

If not, your criteria are scripturally illegitimate.

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Please tell me how any of your above post relate to the OP in any way.


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