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Thanks. I guess I am not a Christian as defined in the faith category list, but I am not a non-Christian, either. They definitely need a category for "Good-willed Christian Wannabes Who Aren't Quite There Yet". I'll poke around some more.

I think they have something called Seeker. Don't know if that gets you into the Christians only areas.
 
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Thank you everyone. I shall have to investigate and find out how I identified myself when I joined. Is there a section for Buddhist Sufi Catholic Jewish Quakers with Rastafarian leanings? I am feeling very optimistic about this Forum. I have been praying a lot lately about finding fellowship with someone or a group of someones who would be tolerant of a person like me, who has firmly held vague convictions, but is absolutely certain (well, 87% of the time) that God exists, Christ manifests the Divine, and the pursuit ( if not acquisition) of eternal values is our sacred duty.

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As I put in my post you can receive help with changing your faith, and any other problems you may have by going to support. See the link in my post

Hi Saralynn,

Since you joined six years ago many things have changed. If you still have problems posting, please click on this then click on Open a New Ticket, select a category and then title your post and explain what the problem is. They will help you ASAP. :)

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I think they have something called Seeker. Don't know if that gets you into the Christians only areas.
I laughed when I read that I might fit into the "Seeker" category, although I suppose it is an apt description in some ways. I found it humorous because I have always been interested in comparative religion, especially mysticism, but whenever I visited various churches or temples or mosques (okay, the mosques is a lie because Islam is the religion in which I am least familiar and I felt uncomfortable plodding through the door in utter confusion. In retrospect, this is a relief because I would probably be on some Government watch list now and interrogated before I entered an airplane. However, I did become very friendly with a Muslim family and we chatted amiably about Islam) Anyway, whenever I began an investigation of a particular religion, the adherents would inform me that I was a "seeker" and do their best to convince me that their own belief system was the answer to my quest. I consider myself a Christian now, although most of my religious heroes were excommunicated or made people furious. I suppose I am a Quaker.
Okay, I gotta ask about the guy in the picture. Initially, I thought it might be you, but dismissed that idea because you'd be so old that you would be one of those geezers who can't figure out the internet. Maybe it is a portrait of your dad, which would be sort of heart warming. But then I thought, "It's Alan Turing!" Same nose, same hairstyle, same subtle look of pain on his face. Okay, considering his fate, I am probably projecting the subtle look part. Maybe it is T.E. Lawrence? Nah...his part was on the other side of his head. So, please relieve my curiosity.
Oh yeah, I am one of those people who ramble on and on because I have ADD and assume that every triviality in my life is utterly fascinating. Okay, that, too is a lie. Fact is, I can be a bore.
 
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It's Claus von Stauffenberg, isn't it?

Correct. I just reskimmed the wiki on him and it exaggerates his place in the resistance. I picked him as much to be sporting as anything else. He is probably the most famous member of the resistance, at least when it comes to fame due to his involvement in the resistance.

It is interesting to see what conclusions people jump to. Many conclude I admired a Nazi. Not all German officers were Nazis and quiet a few died because of their opposition. Claus included.
 
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Correct. I just reskimmed the wiki on him and it exaggerates his place in the resistance. I picked him as much to be sporting as anything else. He is probably the most famous member of the resistance, at least when it comes to fame due to his involvement in the resistance.

It is interesting to see what conclusions people jump to. Many conclude I admired a Nazi. Not all German officers were Nazis and quiet a few died because of their opposition. Claus included.
No. He is the second most famous member of the resistance. Dietrich Bonhoeffer is more celebrated, I think. I read his prison diaries and they are inspirational, but grim. Things like " When Christ calls, his call leads to death" This may be the reason why it took me so long to become a Christian. I have been obsessed with the Holocaust ever since I was 12 and saw The Diary of Anne Frank. I have always pondered about how I would have behaved in Nazi Germany and my conclusion, at twelve, was that I probably would have been cowardly, and, now, in my 60's, I am utterly convinced that I would have been cowardly. In terms of the fight or flight instinct, I am definitely a flighter. I would prefer to be otherwise, but, I'd have to be A LOT more devoted to God and convinced of His reality than I am. I mean, no "intense sense of the sublime" would be good enough for me. I need the equivalent of a burning bush that talks to me.
 
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No. He is the second most famous member of the resistance. Dietrich Bonhoeffer is more celebrated, I think. I read his prison diaries and they are inspirational, but grim. Things like " When Christ calls, his call leads to death" This may be the reason why it took me so long to become a Christian. I have been obsessed with the Holocaust ever since I was 12 and saw The Diary of Anne Frank. I have always pondered about how I would have behaved in Nazi Germany and my conclusion, at twelve, was that I probably would have been cowardly, and, now, in my 60's, I am utterly convinced that I would have been cowardly. In terms of the fight or flight instinct, I am definitely a flighter. I would prefer to be otherwise, but, I'd have to be A LOT more devoted to God and convinced of His reality than I am. I mean, no "intense sense of the sublime" would be good enough for me. I need the equivalent of a burning bush that talks to me.

I disagree. Dietrich is probably more famous within certain Christian circles but overall von Stauffenberg is more famous and Hans Oster, Henning von Tresckow and Hans von Dohnanyi all were more involved in the resistance. Also much of Dietrich's fame is because of his theology.

If one wants to select the person involved in the plots against Hitler that was the most famous overall, not just as a conspirator it is not even close. The answer is Erwin Rommel.
 
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No. He is the second most famous member of the resistance. Dietrich Bonhoeffer is more celebrated, I think. I read his prison diaries and they are inspirational, but grim. Things like " When Christ calls, his call leads to death" This may be the reason why it took me so long to become a Christian. I have been obsessed with the Holocaust ever since I was 12 and saw The Diary of Anne Frank.

You might find the biography Dietrich Bonhoeffer by Eberhard Bethge interesting. Bethge was one of Dietrich's students and eventually married his niece. In some ways the closest male to Dietrich who survived the war. Unlike many Christian sources Bethge does not demonize all of Germany. His account is both inspiring and terrifying. He reports guards apologizing for locking Dietrich's cell at night and asking him to provide pastoral care for other prisoners. Bethge reports one military doctor who near the end tried to keep one of the conspirators too doped up to stand trial. Sadly the attempt failed, but that man risked his life. On the terrifying end a note smuggled out from Klaus Bonhoeffer during his trial indicates he would rather die than see the faces of the tribunal, that they were the faces of pure evil.

I'm curious, have you heard of Wassili Kokorin? Or for that matter do you know anything about Dietrich's last sermon?
 
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I disagree. Dietrich is probably more famous within certain Christian circles but overall von Stauffenberg is more famous and Hans Oster, Henning von Tresckow and Hans von Dohnanyi all were more involved in the resistance. Also much of Dietrich's fame is because of his theology.

If one wants to select the person involved in the plots against Hitler that was the most famous overall, not just as a conspirator it is not even close. The answer is Erwin Rommel.
You are undoubtedly correct. I made the mistake of thinking that because I know Bonhoeffer and never heard of von Stauffenberg, Bonhoeffer is more famous. I think there is a term in critical thinking that describes that error. You inspired me to Google Rommel and I was amazed at what I didn't know. Basically, i was aware he was an excellent commander and that he was called "The Desert Fox", but I assumed he was faithful to the Fuhrer to the end. His suicide is a tragic story. If they haven't done so already, someone should make a movie out of his life, with Leon DiCaprio in the starring role. I will have to ponder a bit about the best actor to play Hitler.
 
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You might find the biography Dietrich Bonhoeffer by Eberhard Bethge interesting. Bethge was one of Dietrich's students and eventually married his niece. In some ways the closest male to Dietrich who survived the war. Unlike many Christian sources Bethge does not demonize all of Germany. His account is both inspiring and terrifying. He reports guards apologizing for locking Dietrich's cell at night and asking him to provide pastoral care for other prisoners. Bethge reports one military doctor who near the end tried to keep one of the conspirators too doped up to stand trial. Sadly the attempt failed, but that man risked his life. On the terrifying end a note smuggled out from Klaus Bonhoeffer during his trial indicates he would rather die than see the faces of the tribunal, that they were the faces of pure evil.

I'm curious, have you heard of Wassili Kokorin? Or for that matter do you know anything about Dietrich's last sermon?
No, I don't know anything about Dietrich's last sermon, but I am very excited and now I want to read it right away. All I read were his letters (or his journal?) and did so because I was under a lot of stress at the time and I needed to read something stirring by a person who REALLY endured tragic circumstances and remained faithful to his ideals.

No, I never heard of Wassili Korkorin and can't find anything about him on Google.

I always claim not to believe in "evil", and prefer to describe the perpetrators of hideous crimes as mentally ill, but, sometimes I wonder. It seems that once someone chooses (if you believe in free will) to behave with willful cruelty, the urge to do so again and again becomes more powerful.
 
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