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If "we" must keep the faith in Jesus Christ to be saved, then if "we" do, then we have something to boast about.
"For by grace are you saved through faith, and THAT NOT OF YOURSELVES, it is the GIFT of GOD: NOT OF WORKS (those that think they are "keeping" the faith are doing a lot of work in not turning from Christ) lest any many should boast." Eph 2:8,9 "But he that glorieth (boasts), let him glory in the Lord." 2Co 10:17
Thank You, Jesus, for keeping me saved as You said You would in Jn 10:28.
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Without taking the time to address each verse individually, many verse like these are not speaking of losing salvation at all and being damned to hell. They are speaking of losing a good testimony before God and man, of losing power and influence to do the work of God. Being a castaway doesn't mean losing salvation, but being no longer an effective tool in the work of God. Of course some verses just taken out of context by themselves can be interpreted different ways by different people. That only leads to a debate that turns often to an argument, and neither side is persuaded to change their minds. "Context" may be as little as the surrounding verses. It may involve the entire chapter, or the entire book in which it is found, and can also be expanded at times if necessary to the entire Bible.
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Hebrews, like all the Scriptures, is a book one must differentiate on who is being addressed. Sometimes Hebrews has professing believers that are not really saved in mind. Sometimes it has true believers in mind. If one doesn't know the difference they can easily misunderstand the Scriptures and think one that is truly saved can lose their salvation.
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I, and millions like me, are living testimonies in our cases that OSAS does not devolve into a hall pass for sin. Ro 6:1,2 bring this out. Those that only profess faith in Christ, but are not truly born-again, "may" want to use your hall pass, or may just believe in your illustration of the h
This simply is not true. Those spoken of in Heb 6-4-6 tasted only of the pre-salvation work of the H.S. They were never truly saved. Some of them probably departed from the faith that was being ministered to them, though the writer of Hebrews is trying to convince them not to go back to Judaism, leaving Christ behind.
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I, and millions like me, are living testimonies of people that believe in OSAS, and have not devolved into using a hall pass for sin. Ro 6:1,2 Those that are unsaved, or only professing Christians, or true Christians that have misinterpreted the Scriptures, or have been taught incorrectly, may believe, follow, or use this hall pass illustration, and continue to want to argue or defend it, but I will continue to enjoy the eternal security that Christ has given me, the Scriptures teach, and continue to walk with Him in righteousness, not using any hall pass for sin, because I love Him, not sin. Can I get an "Amen" from anybody out there (not wanting to be divisive in the body of Christ).
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Oh yes they are.
It is a clear and consistent message throughout the epistles, and by Jesus himself in the gospels that disciples can and will fall
away, and thereby lose their salvation.
You have for what ever reason accepted the false doctrine of OSAS and read all scriptures through this doctrinal lens.
You are full of wishful thinking.
The scriptures are clear: believers can stop believing. Can fall away and depart from the gospel. Can retreat to perdition.
It is best to err on the side of caution, and keep the fear of the Lord.
And another also said, Lord, I will follow You, but first allow me to take leave of those in my house.
And Jesus said to him, No one, having put his hand to the plow and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God.
Luke 9:61-62
9 But they who will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts which plunge men
into destruction and perdition.
10 For the love of money is a root of all evils, of which some having lusted after, they were seduced from the faith and
pierced themselves through with many sorrows.
11 But you, O man of God, flee these things and follow after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, and meekness.
12 Fight the good fight of faith. Lay hold on eternal life, to which you are also called and have professed a good profession
before many witnesses.
1 Timothy 6:9-12
26 For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sins,
27 but a certain fearful looking for judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
28 He who despised Moses' Law died without mercy on the word of two or three witnesses.
29 Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy of punishment, the one who has trampled
the Son of God, and who has counted the blood of the covenant with which he was sanctified an unholy thing,
and has insulted the Spirit of grace?
Hebrews 10:26-29
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You can have the final word here, that seems to be what you are looking for. I have stated my case, and you can continue to keep using verses out of context, misusing and misinterpreting them. I am not here to keep arguments going. You believe what you want, and what you have been taught. Let's agree to disagree on this, and "endeavor to keep the unity of the faith." Don't you think Jesus is just wonderful. I do.
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Here we go again with this "truly" saved nonsense. No such thing before the return of our Lord to raise up the dead and the living
to himself. Then and only then willy we truly know that we have made it.
In the meantime we have hope, and a confidence by walking in the Spirit and measuring ourselves against the Word.
Disciples, believers, saints, Christians are either saved or not saved.
Truly saved and just saved is unscriptural and false.
Jesus himself said emphatically:
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
Mark 16:16 - no shades of grey
Jesus also said in Mark 16:17
And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
Maybe all those 'believers' who are not truly saved are all those who do not have these signs designated to be true disciples??
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Eternal security in Christ is very wonderful, and those who profess but fall away and are lost were never saved in the first place.I, and millions like me, are living testimonies of people that believe in OSAS, and have not devolved into using a hall pass for sin. Ro 6:1,2 Those that are unsaved, or only professing Christians, or true Christians that have misinterpreted the Scriptures, or have been taught incorrectly, may believe, follow, or use this hall pass illustration, and continue to want to argue or defend it, but I will continue to enjoy the eternal security that Christ has given me, the Scriptures teach, and continue to walk with Him in righteousness, not using any hall pass for sin, because I love Him, not sin. Can I get an "Amen" from anybody out there (not wanting to be divisive in the body of Christ).
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These verses tell us how great is the love of God - reference to John 3:16
"shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord."
God will always be faithful He cannot deny himself.
But these same verses do not list unbelief, nor faithlessness - which is what we can do.
Believers can and do stop loving their Saviour and righteousness.
And if a believer does not repent and return to the first love before they either die or the Last Trumpet
sounds, then they will be lost and found to be naked and without wedding garment.
Not everybody who says to me Lord. Lord shall enter the Kingdom of God ...
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