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Oh no . . . how could I have been so silly Hilly! As maybe a weak excuse, while I am replying to a few threads, as is often the case I am doing a bit of other work as well, which can be an issue particularly as I use two and sometimes three screens and over the past couple of days it has been fairly technical - very distracting it is!And I am smiling already. Always good to chat with you too. BTW Bibby, what are "Gids"? I was actually expecting the 'Hilly' accolade from you, and thought I'd come up with a fitting retort.
Hey, that's okay and I realise that my writing style can be a bit (actually very) stilted, which means at times that some of my replies can seem a bit engaging; though with our cessationist friends this probably happens by choice.I didn't ask because I wanted to argue, I really do wonder myself. Although I have no problem with a subsequence happening. I say that based upon the subsequence of the three feasts of the OT which in my opinion relate to the three salvations of man from spirit to soul to body.
You will have to pardon my lack of competence when it comes to the use of the OT when it comes to the Person and Ministry of the Holy Spirit; I recognise that within various Pentecostal circles that this can be the way to go.For me John 20:22 is simply a prophetic verse. How could Jesus give the Holy Spirit which wasn't given until Pentecost? The blowing was simply prophetic of the rushing mighty wind which entered the house/temple where they were celebrating the feast of Pentecost. But the key word is that of "receive". A distinct word which is not used of receiving the word for salvation in scripture. But that point is a 'teaching' in and of itself.
As I am a functional-dichotomist this means that my approach to how the Scriptures (particularly with Paul) use the word spirit/Spirit is probably relatively simplistic. For the classic-dichotomist they will view the terms spirit & soul as being essentially interchangeable, whereas dichotomists such as myself reject this idea where we will instead view the word spirit (lower case) as a reference to our emotions, feelings, attitude, thoughts and countenance. So with Scriptures that speak of "one spirit with the Lord" I would see this as being a reference as to how the Born Again believer is at one mind and heart with the Lord.Whereas I believe our spirit is gennao/regenerated/born anew/born from above'. Upon doing so it is "one spirit with the Lord" IOW the spirit of, Christ our LORD. I do, as of late question whether or not that event means that our old spirit is now 'the holy spirit'...of Christ in us'. Not sure what the scriptures mean when it says "he that is joined to the Lord is one spirit". Maybe you have some biblicist insight on that one Bibby?
What . . . lil' ol me . . . yep! Actually I was thinking about was with what I would refer to as the seeming demise of the Pentecostal and Charismatic forums, though this might be a bit of an exaggeration. Even on this forum I am disappointed that there is a lack of interaction toward the massive amount of contemporary (past 30 years) theological material around Pneumatology. It tends to be a bit frustrating and even tedious addressing material that probably belongs in the Ark.Oh come on now, you live for this don't you? It helps you to grow when dealing with all God's children. Especially the ones influenced with the retarded teaching contrary to that which we love.
With reference to my above "enlightened" thoughts, I know that I struggled with the Dichotomous and Trichotomous arguments where I seemed to move from one to another as both seemed to be right for maybe my first decade as a Christian. So after a lot of struggle, I had one of those moments where genius seemed to come to the forefront where I decided that both sides were wrong, though the position held by the Dichotomost was in my view less wrong. That's why I am a functional-dichotomist in that I function as a Dichotomost but with the further "enlightened" understanding that spirit (lower case) refers not to a human spirit but to our attitudes and thoughts etc.Ah yes, my 'Partimers'...headed to 'Alzheimers' lightbulb just went on. I forgot you were that 'functional-dichotomist' guy.
Of course it would be nice if the rest of the world could catch up on this particular issue but as I am a patient person I can wait!
Yes, I would agree with you; though if you feel that it disagrees with something that I have said then please let me know.We for heaven's sake don't be delicate with me. I'm here to get beat like a red headed stepchild...if you can. Hold on to your hat now, here I go with scriptures concerning, first Jesus, then us.
Scriptures pertaining to Jesus.
MAT 12:18 "Behold, my servant whom I have chosen, my beloved with whom my soul is well pleased. I will put my Spirit upon him,
LUK 3:22 and the Holy Spirit descended upon him in bodily form, as a dove,
LUK 4:18 "The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he has anointed me to preach good news to the poor.
JOH 1:33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.
Scriptures pertaining to us.
JOEL 2:29 Even upon the menservants and maidservants in those days, I will pour out my spirit.
LUK 2:25 Now there was a man in Jerusalem, whose name was Simeon, and this man was righteous and devout, looking for the consolation of Israel, and the Holy Spirit was upon him. THIS WAS STILL THE OT AND SPEAKS OF THE SAME PLACEMENT THEN THAT WE HAVE AFTER PENTECOST.....IMO of course.
ACT 1:8 But you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you;
ACT 2:17 'And in the last days it shall be, God declares, that I will pour out my Spirit upon all flesh,
ACT 19:6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Spirit came on them;
1PE 4:14 If you are reviled for the name of Christ, you are blessed, because the Spirit of glory and of God rests on you.
Ah . . . yes . . . the good ol' 70's, for the Christian they were certainly pretty interesting times as we not only had the massive worldwide Charismatic Renewal as we also had the various Arab/Israeli wars, Kissinger and the rising EU with its lead up to the AntiChrist and the One World Empire; which from what I can see happening with the unwarranted US/European angst against Russia this might very well come around sooner than we all think.Actually I haven't come to your realization ever since I heard that taught by a third generation Baptist theologian who'd received the baptism of the Holy Spirit and he was teaching at a Full Gospel conference in Denver back in the 70's. He based it upon;
1 Corinthians 14:5 I would that ye all spake with tongues but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.
And I wouldn't say that I haven't been in my prayer tongue mode, when I felt like the interpretation of what I said was dropped into my soul/mind. And subsequently shared with the body.
As I am (maybe surprisingly) a bit of an introvert, a sort of backroom person, I tend to be content to leave these things to others; though I do wonder what pathways I would have traveled down if I had decided to provide interpretations.Thankfully the forgiveness of our heavenly Father would have dealt kindly with you, had you done such a spiritually zealous act without knowledge of maturity. I actually think He gets a kick out of us 'kids' trying to wear daddy's shoes and walk around with a big grin on our face. Lord knows it isn't happening enough in my town, or with me.
Sorry this was so long, and I know you're busy with others so don't worry about me.
What, there is "no need to reply", are you serious, it is always a pleasure.
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