Error in Post #15 Bible genealogy calculations ...

keras · Apr 27, 2017

Riberra said:
But it have not cut you to make a failed prediction based on the Mayan Calendar , which you were sure AT THE TIME was to happen in 2012 LIKE ALL THE FALSE PROPHETS WHO PREDICTED THAT SOMETHING CAUSED BY THE SUN WAS TO HAPPEN in 2012 --Ie -your "prophesied"- massive CME who supposedly will cause the great earthquake of the 6th seal + the cosmic signs who the Bible say will happen AFTER the great earthquake....

Be assured, the Lord WILL send fire upon His enemies. Over 70 prophesies say so. Believe it or discard your Bible.

Riberra said:
Playing the role of the prophet of the last times is not a good thing to do.In the OT times a "prophet" who maketh a false prediction was stoned to death.
Consider you lucky to live in modern time.

I have never said I was a prophet. I merely point out what the real prophets have told us. And I have, more than once, got it wrong, but I do correct it, when I discern the truth.
Those who will really face judgement are the false teachers. James 3:1

Gideon said:
However, I did read your post #15 and I have to say that I do not agree with your dates beyond Nebuchadnezzar's destruction of Jerusalem.

So you do agree that it was year 3386.5 since Adam, that Jerusalem was conquered; in 586BC?
Isn't it rather significant that the time from then until Jesus' Baptism, adds to exactly 4000 years?
I stand by the timeline that has 47 Bible verses supporting it. And because this means we have very little time left in this Church age, is not a reason for concern, but rejoicing, as welook forward to our King coming to rule the earth.

Riberra · Apr 29, 2017

This is a new thread following a request made by Gideon from the Ancient Hebrew Calendar thread about Keras' calculations concerning the genealogy from Adam to Jesus in his post #15.
Ancient Hebrew Calendar

Keras post #15 said:
7000 years from Creation to Completion of Mankind:
Genesis 1:27 Adam was created in 3970BC. [added back from 586 BC]
Gen 5:3 Seth +130, Gen 5:6 Enoch +105, Gen 5:9 Kenan +90, Gen 5:12 Mahalalel +70,
Gen 5:15 Jared +65, Gen 5:18 Enoch +162, Gen 5:21 Methuselah +65, Gen 5:25 Lamech
+187, Gen 5:28 Noah+182, Gen 6:7 The Flood came when Noah was +600, Gen 11:10
Arpachshad +2 - born to Shem after the flood. Gen 11:12 Selah +35, Gen 11:14 Heber
+30, Gen 11:16 Peleg +34, Gen 11:18 Reu +30, Gen 11:20 Serug +32, Gen 11:22 Nahor
+30 , Gen 11:24 Terah +29, Gen 11:26 Abram +70. Abraham was +52 when God called
him and they left Ur, in our year 1970.5 BCE. They lived in Haran for 23 years, then
went to Caanan at age 75. Gen. 12:4 Total years so far = 2000.

Gen 17:1 Abraham was 99 when the Covenant was made with God. +47 Gen 17:18 Galatians 3:17 Paul states that the Torah was given +430 after the Covenant. Total years elapsed until the Exodus: 2477, in our year 1493.5 BCE.
Kings 6:1 The Temple dedication, the 4th year of King Solomon +480 since Torah and the Exodus. 1 Kings 11:42 Solomon 40 minus 4 = +36,1 Kings 14:21 Rehoboam +17,1 Kings 15:2 Abijah +3, 2 Chron 16:13 Asa +41, 1 Kings 22:42 Jehoshaphat +25, 2 Kings 8:17 Jehoram +8, 2 Kings 8:26 Ahaziah +1, 2 Kings 11:1-3 Athaliah +6, 2 Kings 12:1-3 Joash +40, 2 Kings 14:1-2 Amaziah +29, 2 Kings 15:1-2 Azariah +52, 2 Kings 15:32 Jotham +16,Kings 16:1-2 Ahaz +16, 2 Kings 18:1-2 Hezekiah +29, 2 Kings 21:1 Manasseh +55, 2 Kings 21:19 Amon +2, 2 Kings 22:1-2 Josiah +31, 2 Kings 22:31 +Jehoahaz +3mths, 2 Kings 23:31 Jehoiakim +11,2 Kings 24:8 Jehoichin +3mths, 2 Kings 24:18 Zedekiah +11, who ruled until the Babylonian captivity in 586BC.
Total years to the 1st exile of Judah = 3386.50.

586BC + 613.5 years + 2 comes to 29.5 CE. The date of Jesus' Baptism. Luke 3:1 Plus 2 to include the total number of elapsed years, as our calendar system counts the years from their commencement. 3386.5 + 613.5 = 4000 years from Adam to Jesus.

January 2017 - 29.5 = 1987.5 years since the commencement of Jesus' Ministry. 1987.5 + 4000 = 5987.5 years, is the present age of mankind.

2017 + 12.5 = 2029.5 Exactly 2000 years since Jesus, 4000 years since Abraham and 6000 years since Adam. There is only 12-13 years of the Church age to complete. Next to come is the 1000 years reign of Jesus, the total time decreed for mankind. Then those who have been found worthy will go into Eternity with God: Revelation 22:1-5

I have posted this here and on other forums before. It is simply ignored - too hard to swallow!
Perhaps you will seriously study it and check it over carefully. I know that Gideon doesn't like it, as it conflicts with his 490 year cycles.

Riberra · Apr 29, 2017

Gideon said:
I did read your [post #15] and I have to say that I do not agree with your dates beyond Nebuchadnezzar's destruction of Jerusalem. If you would like to discuss this with me, please start a new topic, send a PM with link, and Ill comment there.

Riberra · Apr 29, 2017

Gideon said:
Because I was focused on explaining the workings of the original luni-solar calendar, and did not want my topic shifted to general timeline theories.

However, I did read your post #15 and I have to say that I do not agree with your dates beyond Nebuchadnezzar's destruction of Jerusalem. If you would like to discuss this with me, please start a new topic, send a PM with link, and Ill comment there.

Hi !I have opened a new thread about Keras Bible Genealogy calculation so you can tell us what mistake you have find.I will ask a moderator if he can transfer the actual discusssion about Keras calculation....to let the OP referring to the Ancient Hebrew Calendar not cluttered with Keras' calculation discussion.

Keras will probably ignore anything presented ...

New Thread link:
Error in Post #15 Bible genealogy calculations ...

Gideon · Apr 29, 2017

Its Sunday over here, so Ill get back to this after church. There are 2 issues that affect Old Testament chronology:

Problems counting the era from King Solomon to the last king of Judah.
Questions about gaps in the eras between Adam and Abraham.

I'll concentrate mainly on the first point because when this issue is fixed, a reliable count can be made to Abraham.

Douggg · Apr 29, 2017

Riberra said:
This is a new thread following a request made by Gideon from the Ancient Hebrew Calendar thread.
Ancient Hebrew Calendar

Riberra, I think the thread needs to be re-titled to "Bible genealogy calculations".... something without the personalizing (Keras)_ in the title. It's fine to explain what the thread is about in the opening post - but not just say the person (one of our fellow member's) is in error in title. Save that for the opening post. If the title were referring to some notable person like John Hagee, I think that is okay, because he is a public figure.

Riberra · Apr 29, 2017

Done !I originally though that Keras was not his real name...just a ID avatar.

keras · Apr 29, 2017

double post

keras · Apr 29, 2017

I didn't start a new thread, because the one we were on was quite OK.

The next thread I will start will be called; Final Warning.
It could be just days or even hours before the Lord strikes the earth with His fiery anger.

Riberra · Apr 29, 2017

keras said:
I didn't start a new thread, because the one we were on was quite OK.

I am interested [and certainly other members as well], to see Gideon's points mentioned in post #3, don't you ?

Remember that your main objective was that people seriously analyse your calculations ...and check it over carefully.

To refresh your memory:

Keras said:
I have posted this here and on other forums before. It is simply ignored - too hard to swallow!
Perhaps you will seriously study it and check it over carefully. I know that Gideon doesn't like it, as it conflicts with his 490 year cycles.

Gideon · Apr 29, 2017

keras said:
Kings 6:1 The Temple dedication, the 4th year of King Solomon +480 since Torah and the Exodus. 1 Kings 11:42 Solomon 40 minus 4 = +36,1 Kings 14:21 Rehoboam +17,1 Kings 15:2 Abijah +3, 2 Chron 16:13 Asa +41, 1 Kings 22:42 Jehoshaphat +25, 2 Kings 8:17 Jehoram +8, 2 Kings 8:26 Ahaziah +1, 2 Kings 11:1-3 Athaliah +6, 2 Kings 12:1-3 Joash +40, 2 Kings 14:1-2 Amaziah +29, 2 Kings 15:1-2 Azariah +52, 2 Kings 15:32 Jotham +16,Kings 16:1-2 Ahaz +16, 2 Kings 18:1-2 Hezekiah +29, 2 Kings 21:1 Manasseh +55, 2 Kings 21:19 Amon +2, 2 Kings 22:1-2 Josiah +31, 2 Kings 22:31 +Jehoahaz +3mths, 2 Kings 23:31 Jehoiakim +11,2 Kings 24:8 Jehoichin +3mths, 2 Kings 24:18 Zedekiah +11, who ruled until the Babylonian captivity in 586BC.

Before projecting your chronology back to Adam, you need to take a hard look at your treatment of the reigns of the Kings. You have not attempted to synchronise the Judean kings with those of Israel. Nor have you reconciled their reigns with Assyrian and Babylonian records. Nor have you referred (apparently) to Bible commentaries, because none of them agree with you.

All you have done is scroll through the books of Kings, add them all up, plus 480 years beyond Solomon's 4th year (1 Kings 6:1), then declare that the Exodus must have been 1496 BC. That date is wrong - about 50 years out of kilter - and that mistake continues its error all they way back to Abraham and beyond.

Have you ever drawn a chart of the Hebrew kings (Judea and Israel) on graph paper?

keras · Apr 30, 2017

Gideon said:
Before projecting your chronology back to Adam, you need to take a hard look at your treatment of the reigns of the Kings. You have not attempted to synchronise the Judean kings with those of Israel.

Why should I do that? The Kings of Israel, the Northern ten tribes were not of the Davidic line.

Gideon said:
Nor have you referred (apparently) to Bible commentaries, because none of them agree with you.

That's no surprise! I gave up on commentaries when I read Matthew 11:15 God has hidden the truth of His plans from the learned and wise..... and Daniel 12:9 says that only in the last days, will a few people know what will happen.
It was simply impossible for people like Newton, Matthew Henry, etc to know the truth.
The Prophetic Word has all the information necessary to know the outline of our future. It is only when people choose to believe mis-interpretations of scripture, or even outright lies, then they become unable to understand, as Isaiah 29:9-12 tells us.

Gideon said:
All you have done is scroll through the books of Kings, add them all up, plus 480 years beyond Solomon's 4th year (1 Kings 6:1), then declare that the Exodus must have been 1496 BC. That date is wrong - about 50 years out of kilter - and that mistake continues its error all they way back to Abraham and beyond.

I use the KISS principle: Keep It Simple, Stupid.
Adding the kings regnal years was easy and the 480 years is an undeniable statement.
I date the Exodus at 1493.5 BCE. The Russian scientist and author, Velkovsky researched that date and found that many other civilizations recorded dramatic earth events then. Caused by the close flyby of Comet Typhon. Things like intense darkness, water turning red, even manna falling out of the sky, were passed down the generations, mostly orally, some cave drawings and some documented; Chinese and Mayan, etc.
It's up to you to prove that date wrong, but my main proof of the correctness of #15, is how there are exact 2000 year periods; Adam to Abraham, Abraham to Jesus, and now Jesus until His Return. Then the final 1000 years of Sabbath rest for the earth.

Gideon · Apr 30, 2017

keras said:
Why should I do that? The Kings of Israel, the Northern ten tribes were not of the Davidic line.

You may want to "keep it simple stupid," but ignoring scripture that doesn't interest you, is not the way to do it.

The books of Kings are structured in the form of a ‘combination lock’, which unlocks the door to ancient history going backward, and tracks the messianic timetable going forward. The books contain a repeating formula where the accession of a king is synchronised with the reign of his contemporary in the neighbouring kingdom (whether Judah or Israel) followed by the number of years that he reigned. Thus, “In the (x)th year of king (A) of Israel, king (B) of Judah began to reign, and he reigned (y) years.”

Yes, the Davidic line is important, but it cannot be dated unless it fits the complete biblical record. I am suprised that you speak so glibly of the northern king data - almost as if you are willing to, "take away from the words of this book." (Rev.22:19)

Are you a serious student of Bible history? I challenge you to get a piece of graph paper, and chart the reigns of the kings of Judah and Israel side by side.

keras · Apr 30, 2017

Gideon said:
Are you a serious student of Bible history? I challenge you to get a piece of graph paper, and chart the reigns of the kings of Judah and Israel side by side.

Is having carefully studied the entire Bible for many years and writing out all the prophesies in over 500 articles, considered serious? Have you even looked at my logostelos.info website?

How does Jehu, Omri, etc, affect the true Kingly line from David to Jesus?
'Combination locks and repeating formulas', are an anathema to the KISS principal.

BTW, I will be back in Thames in June. I could visit you in Putaruru then. Might be better to talk face to face.

Gideon · Apr 30, 2017

I have no wish to read the website of someone who puts more value on a silly "KISS" principal than on the historical records of the Bible.

Your flippant question, "How does Jehu, Omri, etc, affect the true Kingly line from David to Jesus?" reveals a serious lack of historical knowledge. Of course Jehu affected the line of David! He even killed the king of Judah in the same year as he killed the house of Ahab! (2 Kings 9:27) This happened in 841 BC, but your timeline replaces the king of Judah with Queen Athaliah on the throne of David in 887 BC.

So, your timeline is 46 years out by the time of Jehu. Goodness knows how far out it is by the time you get to Abraham?

keras · Apr 30, 2017

Gideon said:
I have no wish to read the website of someone who puts more value on a silly "KISS" principal than on the historical records of the Bible.

Sad, but I knew we would strongly disagree on timeline issues. I know you have put a lot of effort into your 490 years list.
Is keeping things easy to read and understand, not desirable?
Historical records of the Bible? That is what I use, linked with the known dates in our Gregorian calendar of the Babylonian conquest and Jesus' Baptism. People can see it all with clarity, without any convoluted calculations or historical sidetracks.

Riberra · Apr 30, 2017

keras said:
Sad, but I knew we would strongly disagree on timeline issues. I know you have put a lot of effort into your 490 years list.
Is keeping things easy to read and understand, not desirable?
Historical records of the Bible?

Gideon have demonstrated that
-your timeline is 46 YEARS OUT by the time of Jehu.- Goodness knows how far out it is by the time you get to Abraham?-

Actually everybody can see that you are not serious in your methodology and that you have no intention to admit your errors....

What you have tried to do was using [selectively ] some of the Israelites Kings reigns [only of the line of David as you said]until you got the numbers of years you wanted ,to try to force an "excactly 3 period of 2,000 years timeline is blowed out.Whose gone to take you seriously by now ?

Keras said:
2017 + 12.5 = 2029.5 Exactly 2000 years since Jesus, 4000 years since Abraham and 6000 years since Adam. There is only 12-13 years of the Church age to complete.

Plus or less 46 years [at least] to be excact....

Gideon · Apr 30, 2017

keras said:
Is keeping things easy to read and understand, not desirable?

Not if you get the wrong result, it isnt!

keras said:
Historical records of the Bible? That is what I use ...

Except the records of the Samaritan kings which are in the Bible for a reason.

keras said:
People can see it all with clarity, without any convoluted calculations or historical sidetracks.

Im sorry that chronology is not easy. Fine Christian scholars have studied history but you scorn their work. Then you demand that people accept your simplistic timeline, flippantly explaining it with a '"kiss" principal.

I would have gladly given you my research, but you will despise it. Therefore, I am going to limit my replies to you. In the meanwhile, I challenge you to get a piece of graph paper, and chart the reigns of the kings of Judah and Israel side by side. When you realise the problem, :scratch:

then we can talk.

Gideon · Apr 30, 2017

Hi Riberra,

Thanks for your interest in accurate Bible chronology. My book, 'The Atonement Clock' has a thorough timeline from Jacob to Christ, showing dates, supplementary diagrams, and scripture references. At the bottom of the pages it shows a continuous, and detailed, timeline in chart form.

Please go to my web-page and at the bottom is a link to 2 editions. The 'Scholars Edition' is expensive because it is bigger and has higher postal costs. However, the 'Readers Edition' is affordable and contains all that you want to know.

If you feel unable to buy at this time, just click the 'contact us' link on the left hand side, and send me your postal address. I will send a copy of the 'Readers Edition' for free.

Blessings,
Chris

keras · Apr 30, 2017

I am pleased to see that as of now, 234 people have viewed this thread. It isn't just the 3 who post here that are taking notice of the timelines. Others can decide for themselves, who has the correct one.
There is another way to confirm when Jesus will Return to the earth: the prophesies of Hosea 6:2 and Luke 13:32. They both say; [in prophecy language] that the time gap from Jesus first Advent until His second will be 2000 years. [a day to the Lord is the same as 1000 years on earth; Psalms 90:4, 2 Peter 3:8] Proved by the nearly 2000 years having passed since Jesus ministered on earth. This places the Return at around 2030. And much must happen before that.
The third way, is to just be aware of the world situation. If people want to think that no prophesies will happen for another 46 years, then good luck with that!
We know that Iran and North Korea are not impoverishing their countries to expand their armed forces and their nuke missile programs, for no reason. Make no mistake, they intend to use them. Satan, who is their driving force will make them attack Israel and America.

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