Prayer, Many Times, "Why Pray", "What Happens?", re sign of the times ...

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From www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?quicksearch=pray&qs_version=CJB&limit=500

Here's a few excerpts out of hundreds at the above search link:

Ephesians 3:16-18 Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)
16 I pray that from the treasures of his glory he will empower you with inner strength by his Spirit, 17 so that the Messiah may live in your hearts through your trusting. Also I pray that you will be rooted and founded in love, 18 so that you, with all God’s people, will be given strength to grasp the breadth, length, height and depth of the Messiah’s love,

Psalm 109:4
In return for my love they became my accusers, even though I prayed for them.

Psalm 122:6
Pray for shalom in Yerushalayim; may those who love you prosper.

Proverbs 28:9
If a person will not listen to Torah, even his prayer is an abomination.

Proverbs 15:29
Adonai is far from the wicked, but he listens to the prayer of the righteous.

Daniel 9:4
I prayed to Adonai my God and made this confession: “Please, Adonai, great and fearsome God, who keeps his covenant and extends grace to those who love him and observe his mitzvot!

Daniel 9:20
While I was speaking, praying, confessing my own sin and the sin of my people Isra’el, and pleading before Adonai my God for the holy mountain of my God —

Daniel 9:21
yes, while I was speaking in prayer, the man Gavri’el, whom I had seen in the vision at the beginning, swooped down on me in full flight at about the time of the evening sacrifice,

Ezra 10:1
While ‘Ezra was praying and making confession, weeping and prostrated before the house of God, a huge crowd of Isra’el’s men, women and children gathered around him; and the people were weeping bitterly.

2 Chronicles 6:26
“When they sin against you, and in consequence the sky is shut, so that there is no rain; then if they pray toward this place, acknowledge your name and turn from their sin when you have brought them low;

2 Chronicles 6:29
then, regardless of what prayer or plea anyone among all your people Isra’el makes — for each individual will know his own plague and his own pain — and the person spreads out his hands toward this house;

2 Chronicles 7:1
When Shlomo had finished praying, fire came down from heaven and consumed the burnt offering and the sacrifices; and the glory of Adonai filled the house,

2 Chronicles 7:14
then, if my people, who bear my name, will humble themselves, pray, seek my face and turn from their evil ways, I will hear from heaven, forgive their sin and heal their land.

Matthew 5:44
But I tell you, love your enemies! Pray for those who persecute you!

Matthew 6:7
“And when you pray, don’t babble on and on like the pagans, who think God will hear them better if they talk a lot.

Matthew 14:23
After he had sent the crowds away, he went up into the hills by himself to pray. Night came on, and he was there alone.

Matthew 21:22
In other words, you will receive everything you ask for in prayer, no matter what it is, provided you have trust.”

Mark 1:34-36Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)

34 He healed many who were ill with various diseases and expelled many demons, but he did not allow the demons to speak, because they knew who he was.

35 Very early in the morning, while it was still dark, Yeshua got up, left, went away to a lonely spot and stayed there praying. 36 But Shim‘on and those with him went after him;

Mark 11:24
Therefore, I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, trust that you are receiving it, and it will be yours.

Mark 13:18
Pray that it may not happen in winter.

Mark 14:38
Stay awake, and pray that you will not be put to the test — the spirit indeed is eager, but human nature is weak.”

Luke 2:37
and had remained a widow ever since; now she was eighty-four. She never left the Temple grounds but worshipped there night and day, fasting and praying.

Luke 6:28
bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you.

Luke 9:29
As he was praying, the appearance of his face changed; and his clothing became gleaming white.

Ephesians 3:16-18Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)

16 I pray that from the treasures of his glory he will empower you with inner strength by his Spirit, 17 so that the Messiah may live in your hearts through your trusting. Also I pray that you will be rooted and founded in love, 18 so that you, with all God’s people, will be given strength to grasp the breadth, length, height and depth of the Messiah’s love,
 

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I don't know any Anabaptist who agrees with Calvin nor with tulip - but this thread was meant for honest truthful look at prayer, not to see other competing doctrines (which were addressed in other threads already) .Anabaptist vs. Calvinist theology
"Anabaptist theology defines the church as the voluntary association of believers in Christ."
Anabaptist vs. Calvinist theology
"There are Baptists who are Calvinists, but I don't think any Anabaptists, based on what you posted.
Here are some links on Anabaptist theology. ...... <<OLD LINKS, unchecked>>
Startseite: Senioren Blog | Anabaptistchurch
http://www.mhsc.ca/index.asp?content=http://www.mhsc.ca/encyclopedia/contents/S247ME.html
http://ontruth.com/menno.html
This one particularly deals with grace and the Atonement:
Direction: The Atonement in Anabaptist Theology
Anabaptists certainly do not believe in Limited Atonement or Irresistable Grace, and probably would at least not entirely agree with Calvinists on the other points of TULIP, either.""
 
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Hi Jeff, as a Calvinist, if you asked me which church I consider farthest away from Calvinism within the pale of orthodoxy, I would answer, "the RCC". And yet, I use the Catechism of the Catholic Church regularly, especially when trying to explain the orthodox Christian faith to non-Christians or baby Christians, because it is so good at doing that.

Why, as a Calvinist, am I able to do this? Simple, because Reformed Theology and Catholic Theology are in perfect harmony with one another in at least 90% of the faith.

So it is with Reformed and Anabaptist theologies, so my recommendation to you is this, don't throw the baby out with the bathwater ;) All of your complaints above are about Reformed "soteriology", but the quote I posited had absolutely nothing to do with soteriology. Rather, it details some of the important reasons why we all, as "Christians", need to persevere in prayer.

I didn't post that quote because it was written by Calvin, I posted it because of what it says, and because it has been beneficial to me personally, especially here of late (and because I believed it would be a blessing to others as well :)).

This is your thread however, so if you'd like me to remove the quote simply because it was made by Calvin, I will do so. Just let me know.

--David
 
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FYI , I went page by page through that 'authority' or 'reference' of man's traditions that you posted that you used.
On every page was a blatant opposition to GOD'S WORD - every page.
I never bothered going back to look again. And no, it's not appropriate to discuss it here.(per site rules as well as Anabaptist beliefs.).
i.e. there's no benefit to anyone.
 
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FYI , I went page by page through that 'authority' or 'reference' of man's traditions that you posted that you used.
On every page was a blatant opposition to GOD'S WORD - every page.
I never bothered going back to look again. And no, it's not appropriate to discuss it here.(per site rules as well as Anabaptist beliefs.).
i.e. there's no benefit to anyone.

I'm sorry, I'm at a loss to understand what you are talking about. What do you mean by you went "page by page" through it? Through what exactly :scratch: I posted a single quote in this thread (and it contained, at most, a single paragraph about "prayer").

This thread concerns prayer, does it not, and the reasons why we should pray? Where do you find ANYTHING except that subject being addressed in the quote I posted above by John Calvin? Where can these "pages and pages" of "blatant opposition to GOD'S WORD", that you refer to be found in this thread??????

Again, I am very confused :(
 
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This thread is about prayer, and the quote I posited concerns prayer (and NOTHING ELSE). Here again is the quote in question. What are your specific objections to what 'it' has to say?

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As for the CCC, I used it as an example to make the point, not to discuss the theology it espouses (which you seemed to have missed). I had no intention of discussing it here, OR Calvinism for that matter, which I have not done.

YOU ALONE did that!!

It's against this board's rules to debate anything that's in opposition to Anabaptist beliefs. I haven't done so, nor will I be baited into doing so ;)

So I'm still perplexed, still at a loss to understand what you are talking about, and what you are blaming me for :confused:

Could Menno Simons have written similar words about prayer? If not, why not?? What does the quote I posited above say in opposition to Anabaptist beliefs :scratch:

Thanks!
 
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The most amazing prayer in 2000 years:

Father, let all the disciples of Jesus be protected by Your Word, as always in the past, as always in Scripture,
even when we/they did not know it,
from
all the power of the enemy. Let all the disciples of Jesus live and walk in Your Kingdom now on earth and learn what this means , especially for the sake of others seeking Your Kingdom, that they may be finding and entering Your Kingdom according to the Perfect Purpose of Your Will, and Your Plan of Salvation in Jesus.
Father , as it is Your Good Pleasure, let all the disciples of Jesus be living with You as One, United with Jesus in You, Living Daily in Union with You. As You and Jesus have always been One, so let us all be One, According to Your Original Plan, Your Perfect Plan, Your Eternal Plan, to show forth Your Wisdom throughtout all Eternity to all the Hosts in Heaven . Amein.
 
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