Christ is the end of the law

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Besides the Sabbath, what law must i follow that isn't taught in the NT?

That is a loaded question because I think theses Laws are taught in the NT. We are told to follow Messiah's example and we have many examples of him keeping the Sabbath in the NT, as well as of people continuing to keep the Sabbath throughout Acts. In Acts 15:21, it is taken as granted that Gentiles are going to be continuing to keep the Sabbath and learn about how to obey the Law of Moses every week.

The interesting thing about your question is that many Gentile Christians already keep much of what the Mosaic Law requires. It is important to note that even when the Law was given, there was not a single person who was required to obey every single law and not even Jesus could obey the laws in regard to a woman giving birth or to a woman's period. Some laws were for the King, the High Priest, priests, judges, men, women, children, widows, people living in the land, aliens living among them, and for everyone. It is also important to note that many laws have other conditions under which they apply, such as the Sabbath that only applies on the 7th day, so there is a difference between someone saying that we don't need to keep the Sabbath when it is a Tuesday and saying that we don't need to keep the Sabbath. Likewise, laws in regard to temple practice only apply when there is a temple in which to practice them. Understanding which laws apply to us today and how they apply is a matter of careful study, prayer, and the leading of the Spirit.

With that out of the way, the biggest difference is in regard to God's instructions for how to have a holy conduct. In 1 Peter 1:13-16, we are told to have a holy conduct for God is holy, so where do you suppose we can look up what that means for how we should conduct ourselves? In 1 Peter 2:9-10, we are told that we now part of a royal priesthood and a holy nation, so again same question. The phrase "be holy for God is holy" is reference to Leviticus where God was giving instructions for how to be holy for God is holy, such as Leviticus 11:44-45, which is in regard to God's dietary laws. It should also be fairly straightforward that keeping the Sabbath holy observing God's other holy days is part of what it means to have a holy conduct, and we see that they continued to keep them throughout Acts. God's holy days are extremely important shadows of the Messiah that are rich with teachings about him and about God's plan of redemption and are rehearsals of what we will be doing during his reign. Furthermore, Revelation incorporates the symbolism of God's holy days, so not studying them hinders our understanding of the book. It is less an issue of what we are required to do and more an issue of what we get the delight and the divine privilege of doing.
 
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That is a loaded question because I think theses Laws are taught in the NT. We are told to follow Messiah's example and we have many examples of him keeping the Sabbath in the NT, as well as of people continuing to keep the Sabbath throughout Acts. In Acts 15:21, it is taken as granted that Gentiles are going to be continuing to keep the Sabbath and learn about how to obey the Law of Moses every week.

The interesting thing about your question is that many Gentile Christians already keep much of what the Mosaic Law requires. It is important to note that even when the Law was given, there was not a single person who was required to obey every single law and not even Jesus could obey the laws in regard to a woman giving birth or to a woman's period. Some laws were for the King, the High Priest, priests, judges, men, women, children, widows, people living in the land, aliens living among them, and for everyone. It is also important to note that many laws have other conditions under which they apply, such as the Sabbath that only applies on the 7th day, so there is a difference between someone saying that we don't need to keep the Sabbath when it is a Tuesday and saying that we don't need to keep the Sabbath. Likewise, laws in regard to temple practice only apply when there is a temple in which to practice them. Understanding which laws apply to us today and how they apply is a matter of careful study, prayer, and the leading of the Spirit.

With that out of the way, the biggest difference is in regard to God's instructions for how to have a holy conduct. In 1 Peter 1:13-16, we are told to have a holy conduct for God is holy, so where do you suppose we can look up what that means for how we should conduct ourselves? In 1 Peter 2:9-10, we are told that we now part of a royal priesthood and a holy nation, so again same question. The phrase "be holy for God is holy" is reference to Leviticus where God was giving instructions for how to be holy for God is holy, such as Leviticus 11:44-45, which is in regard to God's dietary laws. It should also be fairly straightforward that keeping the Sabbath holy observing God's other holy days is part of what it means to have a holy conduct, and we see that they continued to keep them throughout Acts. God's holy days are extremely important shadows of the Messiah that are rich with teachings about him and about God's plan of redemption and are rehearsals of what we will be doing during his reign. Furthermore, Revelation incorporates the symbolism of God's holy days, so not studying them hinders our understanding of the book. It is less an issue of what we are required to do and more an issue of what we get the delight and the divine privilege of doing.
Its not a loaded question. Its just a simple question. Please answer it. Im interested in seeing what you would have to say.
 
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That is a loaded question because I think theses Laws are taught in the NT.
Where in the NT?

We are told to follow Messiah's example
Where are we told to follow Jesus example?

and we have many examples of him keeping the Sabbath in the NT, as well as of people continuing to keep the Sabbath throughout Acts. In Acts 15:21, it is taken as granted that Gentiles are going to be continuing to keep the Sabbath and learn about how to obey the Law of Moses every week.
Were is it taken as granted that Gentiles are going to be continuing to keep the Sabbath and learn about how to obey the Law of Moses every week?

The interesting thing about your question is that many Gentile Christians already keep much of what the Mosaic Law requires.
You keep telling us that, but there were 613 laws that pertained to Israel. Many of them were ritual laws. Only the laws pertaining to morality are laws Christians acknowledge and are part of the new covenant law of love.

It is important to note that even when the Law was given, there was not a single person who was required to obey every single law and not even Jesus could obey the laws in regard to a woman giving birth or to a woman's period.
True, but all the laws every Israelite was subject to like cutting sideburns, wearing special material and on and on you cast off as unimportant or cannot be observed because.... all excuses if you believe you are subject to the Law of Moses.

Some laws were for the King, the High Priest, priests, judges, men, women, children, widows, people living in the land, aliens living among them, and for everyone. It is also important to note that many laws have other conditions under which they apply, such as the Sabbath that only applies on the 7th day, so there is a difference between someone saying that we don't need to keep the Sabbath when it is a Tuesday and saying that we don't need to keep the Sabbath. Likewise, laws in regard to temple practice only apply when there is a temple in which to practice them. Understanding which laws apply to us today and how they apply is a matter of careful study, prayer, and the leading of the Spirit.
Too bad you burden yourselves with laws that only pertained to Israel

With that out of the way, the biggest difference is in regard to God's instructions for how to have a holy conduct. In 1 Peter 1:13-16, we are told to have a holy conduct for God is holy, so where do you suppose we can look up what that means for how we should conduct ourselves?
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I found it in 1jn3:19-24 and it reads like this:19 This is how we know that we belong to the truth and how we set our hearts at rest in his presence:20 If our hearts condemn us, we know that God is greater than our hearts, and he knows everything.21 Dear friends, if our hearts do not condemn us, we have confidence before God 22 and receive from him anything we ask, because we keep his commands and do what pleases him. 23 And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us. 24 The one who keeps God’s commands lives in him, and he in them. And this is how we know that he lives in us: We know it by the Spirit he gave us.

If you will notice John gives Christians the key as to what is expected of us. The key given to you by some person didn't come from scripture, it came from that person's imagination. I believe we should go by what scripture tells us. People err. As you can plainly see John didn't put a 10 in front of commands nor did he tell us we are subject to the law of Moses. God had commands well before the ones He specifically gave to Israel. Paul even wrote that the 10 commandments were temporary laws and he came to the same conclusion that John did, the Holy Spirit guides us not the law.


In 1 Peter 2:9-10, we are told that we now part of a royal priesthood and a holy nation, so again same question. The phrase "be holy for God is holy" is reference to Leviticus where God was giving instructions for how to be holy for God is holy, such as Leviticus 11:44-45, which is in regard to God's dietary laws. It should also be fairly straightforward that keeping the Sabbath holy observing God's other holy days is part of what it means to have a holy conduct, and we see that they continued to keep them throughout Acts.
What "they" did and what is expected of Christians are two different things. Paul kept the feasts, but he didn't expect others to do as he did. Holy conduct is ow we relate to God and to our fellow man, not to a ritual day given only to Israel which is now defunct along with the ritual day.

God's holy days are extremely important shadows of the Messiah that are rich with teachings about him and about God's plan of redemption and are rehearsals of what we will be doing during his reign.
Right, they are shadows of a defunct nation. The reality is Jesus. We are not living in a shadow. Well, you might be, but you certainly are not going to convince me that I should.

Furthermore, Revelation incorporates the symbolism of God's holy days, so not studying them hinders our understanding of the book. It is less an issue of what we are required to do and more an issue of what we get the delight and the divine privilege of doing.
It is good to study. It is not good to spend time doing things that have no value towards our salvation. It is not good to study the twisted word which is what you are doing.
 
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Where in the NT?

Mark 1:21, Mark 6:2, Luke 4:16, Luke 4:31, Luke 13:10.

Where are we told to follow Jesus example?

That's what it means to be a follower or disciple of Christ or be made to be like Christ. In 1 Peter 2:21-22, it says to follow his example, in 1 John 2:3-6, it says that those who are in Christ we ought to walk in the same way that he walked, and 1 Corinthians 11:1, Paul said to imitate him for he imitated Christ.
Were is it taken as granted that Gentiles are going to be continuing to keep the Sabbath and learn about how to obey the Law of Moses every week?

Acts 15:21.

You keep telling us that, but there were 613 laws that pertained to Israel. Many of them were ritual laws. Only the laws pertaining to morality are laws Christians acknowledge and are part of the new covenant law of love.

Morality is in regard to what we ought to do and we ought to obey God, so all of God's laws are inherently moral laws. In Matthew 22:36-40, Jesus summarized the Law and the Prophets as being instructions for how to love God and how to love your neighbor, and Galatian 5:14, it says that love fulfills the entire Law, so the Mosaic Law is the law of love.

True, but all the laws every Israelite was subject to like cutting sideburns, wearing special material and on and on you cast off as unimportant or cannot be observed because.... all excuses if you believe you are subject to the Law of Moses.

There's no particular reason why those laws can't be observed, but how they should be observe is a matter of interpretation. For example, they command is not to mar the corners of the beard, which Jews have interpreted according to tradition as not cutting their sideburns, but I do not think that is correct. The word means corrupt, blemish, damage, destroy, destruction, devastate, ruin, harm, waste, or ravage, so it is not how I would describe someone who was trimming an overgrown hedge to make the sides nice and even, but is more akin to someone who started with a nicely trimmed hedge and hacked away at it haphazardly with a chainsaw. The practice is associated with the prohibition of cutting oneself for the dead, so it was likely associated a pagan tradition, and never intended to cause people to walk around with long sideburns.

Too bad you burden yourselves with laws that only pertained to Israel

We become part of God's chosen people, Israel, through faith in Messiah (Romans 9:6-8, Ephesians 2:12-19, 1 Peter 2:21-22, Jeremiah 31:31). While God's Law was only given to Israel, it was never meant only for Israel, but rather Israel was intended to be a light to the nations to teach them how to serve God and to walk in His ways (Deuteronomy 4:5-6, Isaiah 2:2-3, Isaiah 49:6), and there are many verses that quote walking in God ways as following His Law. You are focusing too much on who the commands were given to and not enough on who they were given by because God was instructing them how to walk in His ways.

I found it in 1jn3:19-24 and it reads like this:19 This is how we know that we belong to the truth and how we set our hearts at rest in his presence:20 If our hearts condemn us, we know that God is greater than our hearts, and he knows everything.21 Dear friends, if our hearts do not condemn us, we have confidence before God 22 and receive from him anything we ask, because we keep his commands and do what pleases him. 23 And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us. 24 The one who keeps God’s commands lives in him, and he in them. And this is how we know that he lives in us: We know it by the Spirit he gave us.

If you will notice John gives Christians the key as to what is expected of us. The key given to you by some person didn't come from scripture, it came from that person's imagination. I believe we should go by what scripture tells us. People err. As you can plainly see John didn't put a 10 in front of commands nor did he tell us we are subject to the law of Moses. God had commands well before the ones He specifically gave to Israel. Paul even wrote that the 10 commandments were temporary laws and he came to the same conclusion that John did, the Holy Spirit guides us not the law.

I was speaking about looking something that specifically lists how to have a holy conduct, which you have not yet found. It doesn't do you any good to say that we just need to believe in Jesus when you don't understand what it means to believe in him. You can't believe that he is Lord without submitting to him as Lord, and Romans 10:5-10 quotes Deuteronomy 30:11-14 in regard to what it means to submit to him as Lord. Likewise, you can't believe that he gave himself to redeem you from all Lawlessness and purify a people of his own possession who are zealous for doing good works while while not repenting of your Lawlessness and refusing to obey His instructions for how to do good works.

God's righteousness is eternal (Psalms 119:142), so the way to act according to His righteousness is likewise eternal (Psalms 119:160), and we have much evidence of these laws already being in place prior to Sinai, so the Law did not change anything, but rather it revealed what has always and will always be ways to walk according to God's righteous. When God instructed Israel how to act according to His righteousness and you are told to act according to His righteousness, then it shouldn't be this difficult for you to figure out what you should be doing.


What "they" did and what is expected of Christians are two different things. Paul kept the feasts, but he didn't expect others to do as he did. Holy conduct is ow we relate to God and to our fellow man, not to a ritual day given only to Israel which is now defunct along with the ritual day.

In 1 Peter 1:13-16, he was reference Leviticus in order to show what is expected of Christians. Paul instruct us to imitate him as he imitated Christ (1 Corinthians 11:1). Disciples followed their rabbi around learning to memorize their teachings learning to follow their example, so there was no room for a rabbi to say one thing and do something else, but rather they taught by both word and by example.

Leviticus 11:45-45 For I am the Lord your God. Consecrate yourselves therefore, and be holy, for I am holy. You shall not defile yourselves with any swarming thing that crawls on the ground. 45 For I am the Lord who brought you up out of the land of Egypt to be your God. You shall therefore be holy, for I am holy.”

Very clearly, one of the ways that God instructed for how to have a holy conduct in accordance with His eternal and unchanging holiness was to not defile ourselves by eating unclean animals. So this is not just in regard to how we related to our fellow man.

Right, they are shadows of a defunct nation. The reality is Jesus. We are not living in a shadow. Well, you might be, but you certainly are not going to convince me that I should.

Jesus brought light to the shadows so that we could see their full meaning in what God was teaching us through them. Understanding Jesus as being our Passover Lamb makes it all the more important to celebrate Passover, and to rehearse what we will be doing during his reign.

It is good to study. It is not good to spend time doing things that have no value towards our salvation. It is not good to study the twisted word which is what you are doing.

According to Titus 2:11-14, our salvation involves being trained by grace to do what is godly, righteous, and good, and to renounce doing what is ungodly, and sinful, which is essentially what God's Law was given to instruct us how to do, so our salvation involves being trained by grace to do these things.
 
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No, your post seemed like it was avoiding the question. Please give me some examples, without all the unnecessary commentary.

Mostly in regard to ceremonial laws, such keeping God's holy days and eating kosher.
 
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Mostly in regard to ceremonial laws, such keeping God's holy days and eating kosher.
So besides Sabbath, its about food. Noah could eat anything, and seeing how we were never given Moses law, i can follow Noahs example. I feel sorry for you brother. Legalism has closed your mind to more spiritual things. You are not alone though, many other denominations are the same.
 
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Mark 1:21, Mark 6:2, Luke 4:16, Luke 4:31, Luke 13:10.
You do not attend the Jewish synagogue nor do you teach therein. So your proof text fails or you are willfully sinning.

The rest of your post is refuted with -

31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:

33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. Jer 31

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So besides Sabbath, its about food.

There are holy days other than the Sabbath, but those we examples.

Noah could eat anything, and seeing how we were never given Moses law, i can follow Noahs example. I feel sorry for you brother. Legalism has closed your mind to more spiritual things. You are not alone though, many other denominations are the same.

If you follow Noah's example, then you will only eat clean animals. In Genesis 7, Noah was told to take seven pairs of clean animals and one pair of unclean animals, but he was not told how to distinguish between the two, which implies that he had already been given prior instructions about the differences between the two, and knew that unclean animals were not to be eaten or offered as sacrifices (Genesis 8:20), which is in agreement with Leviticus 11:46-47. God's word does not change (Psalms 105:8 Psalms 119:89-92, Isaiah 40:8), Jesus is the word of God (John 1:14, Revelation 19:13), and Jesus has always been the same (Hebrews 13:8). So there is and has always been a difference between clean and unclean animals, and we have never been permitted to eat unclean animals.

In regard to Genesis 9:3, the word "reh'mes" refers to a specific category of animal, which Noah was given permission to eat.

"The noun (remes) and the associated verb (rms) each occur 17 times in the Old Testament, ten times each in Genesis 1-9. This word group is distinct from both the wild (predatory) beasts and domesticated flocks and herds. Neither verb nor noun is ever used to refer to larger wild animals or to domesticated animals. In no place is remes a catch-all category for all creatures. It is is one category of creature only. The division of Hebrew terms used up to this point in Genesis reflects the nature of the animal..."

"These animals were typically characterized as being the prey of hunters and wild beasts," - John H. Walton (PhD, Hebrew Union College)

This would mean that Noah could not eat all things, but only those that were remes, and this is in agreement with God's statement to Noah (Genesis 9:2). Not coincidentally, the animals considered remes are all fit the description of animals that are considered clean in Leviticus 11 and Deuteronomy 14. So Noah was not given permission to eat unclean animals, he just needed permission to eat clean animals, which he didn't have while they were on the ark, otherwise they wouldn't be around today.

Genesis 6:20-21 Of the birds according to their kinds, and of the animals according to their kinds, of every creeping thing of the ground, according to its kind, two of every sort shall come in to you to keep them alive. 21 Also take with you every sort of food that is eaten, and store it up. It shall serve as food for you and for them.”

The goal of bringing animals on the ark was to preserve them from extinction, so God temporarily restricted Noah from eating clean animals by commanding him to keep them alive and to eat the same food as they did.

"God here does not bestow on men more than he had previously given, but only restored what had been taken away, that they might again enter on the possession of those things from which they had been excluded." - John Calvin

Legalism has closed your mind to more spiritual things

What do you mean by legalism? Are you being legalistic if you think that the laws of your country should be obeyed? Was Jesus being legalistic when he lived in perfect obedience to the Mosaic Law? Is it legalistic to think that Jesus' example should be followed by his followers? Is it being legalistic to think that the 613 commands of the OT should be obeyed, but not being legalistic if you think the 1,050 commands in the NT should be obeyed?
 
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Mark 1:21, Mark 6:2, Luke 4:16, Luke 4:31, Luke 13:10.
W2L said:
Besides the Sabbath, what law must i follow that isn't taught in the NT?
and you wrote: 21 And they went into Capernaum; and straightway on the sabbath day he entered into the synagogue, and taught.

Can't you see that is not an answer to W2L's question?

That's what it means to be a follower or disciple of Christ or be made to be like Christ.
To be like Jesus we would be celibate, not marry, rome the country teaching the law, bring back life to others, die for mankind's sins and come back from death. To be like Jesus we would have to be fully sinless without the gift of grace. Is this what you mean?

In 1 Peter 2:21-22, it says to follow his example, in 1 John 2:3-6, it says that those who are in Christ we ought to walk in the same way that he walked, and 1 Corinthians 11:1, Paul said to imitate him for he imitated Christ.
1 John 2:3-6New International Version (NIV)
Love and Hatred for Fellow Believers
3 We know that we have come to know him if we keep his commands. 4 Whoever says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in that person. 5 But if anyone obeys his word, love for God is truly made complete in them. This is how we know we are in him: 6 Whoever claims to live in him must live as Jesus did.

I answered what commands mean from the same book you have used. 1Jn3:19-24 To live like Jesus we would be celibate, not marry, rome the country teaching the law, bring back life to others, die for mankind's sins and come back from death. Is this what you mean by your quote? I don't believe John was referring to how Jesus physically lived, do you?
1 Corinthians 11:1New International Version (NIV)
11 1 Follow my example, as I follow the example of Christ.
Acts 15:21. Paul in 1Cor11 is referring to prophesying and how to observe the Lord's supper. He didn't mean by the verse you quoted that his life was an example of Jesus life. You have used that vers completely out of context.



Morality is in regard to what we ought to do and we ought to obey God, so all of God's laws are inherently moral laws.
You have a problem, you seem to disregard everything we write. You know that is twisting the meaning of what I wrote. Sure all the laws are moral as to being immoral. Some had to do with morality and some had to do with ceremony or being ritual. The ritual laws were made by God for Israel only. Morality was made by God for all men and is eternal.

In Matthew 22:36-40, Jesus summarized the Law and the Prophets as being instructions for how to love God and how to love your neighbor,
Matthew 22:36-40New International Version (NIV)
36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”

37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself. 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

You may, because of you belief system, think that means Christians must observe Torah. I do not see those verses telling me that. I see Jesus telling us to love God with all our hearts and loving others like Jesus loves us. The greatest command is to love. The law and the prophets came to an abrupt end at the Cross where Jesus finished His work for man.

and Galatian 5:14, it says that love fulfills the entire Law, so the Mosaic Law is the law of love.
Not in a million years. That is a false preposition.
fulfill means: to bring to an end; finish or complete, as a period of time:
For the entire law is brought to an end in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.

There's no particular reason why those laws can't be observed, but how they should be observe is a matter of interpretation. For example, they command is not to mar the corners of the beard, which Jews have interpreted according to tradition as not cutting their sideburns, but I do not think that is correct. The word means corrupt, blemish, damage, destroy, destruction, devastate, ruin, harm, waste, or ravage, so it is not how I would describe someone who was trimming an overgrown hedge to make the sides nice and even, but is more akin to someone who started with a nicely trimmed hedge and hacked away at it haphazardly with a chainsaw. The practice is associated with the prohibition of cutting oneself for the dead, so it was likely associated a pagan tradition, and never intended to cause people to walk around with long sideburns.
I suppose you would have to reinterpret what is written , but just maybe the real Jews know better than to use interpretation. Excuses and more excuses. You sound just like the SDAs do with how they "keep" Sabbath. Yep, I was part of all that.

We become part of God's chosen people, Israel, through faith in Messiah (Romans 9:6-8, Ephesians 2:12-19, 1 Peter 2:21-22, Jeremiah 31:31).
Romans 9:6-8New International Version (NIV)
God’s Sovereign Choice
6 It is not as though God’s word had failed. For not all who are descended from Israel are Israel. 7 Nor because they are his descendants are they all Abraham’s children. On the contrary, “It is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned. 8 In other words, it is not the children by physical descent who are God’s children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham’s offspring.

As you can plainly see Rom 9:6-8 does not tell Christians we become Israel. Christians are God's children. Israel is defunct no longer in existence.

Ephesians2:12-19 means one in Christ not that we become an Israelite



While God's Law was only given to Israel, it was never meant only for Israel, but rather Israel was intended to be a light to the nations to teach them how to serve God and to walk in His ways (Deuteronomy 4:5-6, Isaiah 2:2-3, Isaiah 49:6), and there are many verses that quote walking in God ways as following His Law. You are focusing too much on who the commands were given to and not enough on who they were given by because God was instructing them how to walk in His ways.
Yes, God was instructing them. Jesus is instructing us. Jesus kept His Father's commands and we are to keep Jesus commands. Jesus didn't teach all mankind Torah.

I was speaking about looking something that specifically lists how to have a holy conduct, which you have not yet found. It doesn't do you any good to say that we just need to believe in Jesus when you don't understand what it means to believe in him.
I do not have to look any further than the New Testament to find out how we are to live a Christian life. the Old Testament taught Israel how to live a their lives. We are not Israel. Israel waas a spot on this Earth. God had/has a plan for the remainder of the planet. It is the Royal Law of Love. Jesus gave His life for us and we are to love others as He loves us. There is nothing in the Torah equal to the laws Christians live under. You are not living under rules that are not for Christians and therefore are not fulfilling Christ's example. You are the ones who are lawless. You are observing defunct laws, we are observing the laws Jesus set forth for Christians. Jews have never accepted Jesus and the new covenant. Why would I want to observe their meaningless laws?


This is enough. The remainder of your post is the samo samo.
 
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and that means we should or should not follow the example of Jesus?
You are trying to obligate others to the law. There is nothing in the NT requiring believers to keep the law in part or whole. If we do not have a new and different covenant Jesus is a false prophet, teacher and can not be a priest replacing the Levitical priesthood. You have to deny Jesus to accept the law as your rule of conduct.
the point of it went over your head.
No your post is mocking.

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Mostly in regard to ceremonial laws, such keeping God's holy days and eating kosher.
If we were to agree with you about the law and obligation the next thing is keeping the sabbath while modifying or ignoring many other laws given to Israel. Already been there.

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