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Logical thinking makes sense to me. ;) If he'd had the power at 6, he would have been too young and, possibly not fully mature enough to handle what was given to Him at age 30. I'm assuming that God decided when He was worthy of being called God's beloved Son and receive His anointing to the power of God's Spirit.

Luke 2:52 And Jesus increased in wisdom and in stature, and in favor with God and man.

It would appear, from this verse, that He wasn't 'born ready'.

Good verse....and Happy B-day. :partypooper: Today you can have your cake AND eat it. :clap:
Thank you Luke 2:52 is a good verse to use for this also.
Jesus personally might have been able to handle having the power, but I do not see how he could have mentored 12 grown men?
 
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Thank you Luke 2:52 is a good verse to use for this also.
Jesus personally might have been able to handle having the power, but I do not see how he could have mentored 12 grown men?
He kinda handled the teachers in the temple at age 12, pretty good. ;)
 
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So a man who was an Anglican priest and another a Bishop, did not believe in Jesus was God? Proof please.
Isaiah 14:12-14King James Version (KJV)
12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

and then.. the niv for example says this (you can check into any translation and compare it)

12 How you have fallen from heaven, morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations!
13 You said in your heart, “I will ascend to the heavens; I will raise my throne above the stars of God; I will sit enthroned on the mount of assembly, on the utmost heights of Mount Zaphon.
14 I will ascend above the tops of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High.”

and in revelation,Jesus is referred to as the bright & morning star, so they are calling Jesus satan in this,by replacing Lucifer with morning star in isaiah.

Revelation 22:16King James Version (KJV)
16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

Revelation 22:16New International Version (NIV)
16 “I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give youa]">[a] this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star.”

also, here are some more examples of them changing & taking scripture out. the example i shared here is in the picture too.
 

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Isaiah: 14:(12). The King James Version renders it as follows: "How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How art though cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations."

In spite of this rendering, the proper name "Lucifer" is not in the original Hebrew text. In Hebrew "Lucifer, son of the morning" is helel ben shachar. It could be translated "Shining one, son of the dawn." It is not a proper name, but an epithet for the king of Babylon.

Why then did the King James translators translate "Lucifer" for "Shining one" in this passage?

The answer lies in two earlier translations. In the third century B.C.E., Ptolemy Philadelphus (285-247 B.C.E.), the Greek-speaking Pharoah of Egypt, commissioned a Greek translation of the Hebrew Scriptures for his own library. Seventy-two scholars performed the work. They became known as "The Seventy." Their translation itself was called "The Septuagint" or "LXX," which are the Roman numerals for "70."

In translating Isaiah 14:12, the Seventy chose the word Heosphoros for the Hebrew helel ben shachar. Heos means "in or of the morning" and phoros means "that which is borne, or bearing." This is not an exact translation of the original Hebrew, but it’s reasonably close.

Jerome’s Translation
As mentioned above, the Septuagint (LXX) translation was commissioned during the reign of Ptolemy Philadelphus. The Prophets section wasn’t completed until around 200 B.C.E. By the time of Jesus and the apostles, the LXX was in common use throughout Palestine. It is clear from the wording that many of the New Testament’s quotations from the Old Testament are taken from the Greek (LXX), rather than the Hebrew, text.

Because Greek is a very different language than Hebrew, much of the original meaning and intent was lost in the LXX.

As empires rose and fell, the fortunes of languages rose and fell with them. The longer the Romans ruled, the more prominent Latin became. During Constantine’s reign, the Roman Empire took over gentile Christianity, politicized it, and made it the state religion. By the fourth century C.E., the Latin Church father Jerome (340 AD – 419 AD) had risen to prominence within the Roman Catholic Church. At the suggestion of Pope Damasus, Jerome began work on a Latin translation of the Bible. After 20 years of toil, the translation now known as the Vulgate was completed in the year 405 C.E.

Jerome used the LXX version, along with the Hebrew, in making his translation. As Church historian Schaff explains, "From the present stage of biblical philology and exegesis the Vulgate can be charged, indeed, with innumerable faults, inaccuracies, inconsistencies, and arbitrary dealing, in particulars…"

When he translated Isaiah 14:12, Jerome did not strictly translate the Hebrew helel ben shachar, nor did he use the Greek (LXX) Heosphoros, which term, by his day, had fallen largely into disuse. Instead he translated as though the original word had been lukophos. Lukophos, by Jerome’s time, had become an epithet for the gods Apollo and Pan. Earlier, Catholic theologians Tertullian and Origen had begun to read Satan into the story of the King of Babylon in Isaiah 14. Jerome’s selection of words may have been influenced by this theology.

As a result of Jerome’s translation, the images of Pan and the Devil were morphed together. Today, the devil is often depicted as "Lucifer," and his appearance is similar to the ancient god Pan, with goat-like features including horns and cloven hoofs. Yet there is nothing in the text itself that would indicate that a figure named "Lucifer" is intended. Nor do these verses in Isaiah 14 represent an account of the fall of the devil. As Dr. John D. Watts explains in his commentary on Isaiah: "…the OT [Old Testament] knows nothing of attempts to dethrone Yahweh…" Watts also observes, "When the poem has been used in apocryphal and Christian circles to picture the fall of the angelic Satan, the reference must be to the shadowy mythical background of the poem rather than to the poem itself. It is significant that the account of the fall of Satan (Rev. 12) makes no reference to Isa 14" (ibid. p. 212).
 
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If for discussion you want to know how I know posting this just incase

1. I was at some apostolic convention and started speaking in tounques (i'm not proposing anything in this or saying every salvation experience is the same just telling you my experience) and jumping and couldn't control the tounque or anything like those at pentecost in acts . The very next day I deleted all my bad music and certain things I had going on in life and never returned unto this day I continue to grow and now I even pray in tongues.


2. I have read through the bible and I find my experience is biblical and a sign of receiving the holy spirit.


3. I haven't been the same since that experience I had I don't even cus anymore and people notice that. I used to cus a lot.


4. I experienced what I experienced on that day and have since after being baptized and repenting, and the bible promises us in acts to that we can repent, be baptized and expect hte holy ghost/spirit if we ask for it. I repented and got baptized and this happened when I was seeking the holy spirit.

I don't know if a specific thread exists for what I am writing about, I wouldn't even know how to title it if I started one. So, first of all, yes, Jesus is in me. We are in near constant communication. Lol, one person told me to quit tying up the phone line!
Now to my question.
If a person speaks in tongues yet behaves badly, are they really believers? Does someone get a permanent halo for speaking in tongues which erases the un Christian behavior? I'm a believer but I'd rather not mention it and let my actions speak for me. In the past that has worked really well. No need for bumper stickers or lapel pins. Are there evil communities? There must be. I think I'm living in one. It's hostile to outsiders, and for as many churches as there are here, the people are mean. There's plenty of demonic activity as well and I'm told there's a witche's coven 15 miles away. Maybe this is a typical small town. I don't know. Please move this message if it's in the wrong place. Thanks.
 
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I don't know if a specific thread exists for what I am writing about, I wouldn't even know how to title it if I started one. So, first of all, yes, Jesus is in me. We are in near constant communication. Lol, one person told me to quit tying up the phone line!
Now to my question.
If a person speaks in tongues yet behaves badly, are they really believers? Does someone get a permanent halo for speaking in tongues which erases the un Christian behavior? I'm a believer but I'd rather not mention it and let my actions speak for me. In the past that has worked really well. No need for bumper stickers or lapel pins. Are there evil communities? There must be. I think I'm living in one. It's hostile to outsiders, and for as many churches as there are here, the people are mean. There's plenty of demonic activity as well and I'm told there's a witche's coven 15 miles away. Maybe this is a typical small town. I don't know. Please move this message if it's in the wrong place. Thanks.



1. If a person speaks and tounques and behaves badly they are in the process of backsliding and i've seen this first hand (with my brother) when they stop speaking altogether because they have gone so far back. But yeah the bible says "they that preach the gospel should also live the gospel". IN fact, one core tool in spiritual discernment is as you pointed out looking at someones life style. They can be saved but in the process of backsliding, they can have the holy spirit but in the process of going back to what they were before.

So to answer your question if they speak and life isnt' right then they are backsliding and weak in the holy spirit if they even have him still inside.


2. Yes there are evil communities and wicked churches, a good friend of mine has a sister that fell victim to such a church and.... well... lets just say she's uh... since she went there for a bit with a old boyfriend of hers she hasn't really been the same. Also I recently watched a video about a story told by Lee Stone King about two girls that got saved in a area full of witchcraft and such and they dealt with the demonic and witchcraft all through there area so yes it's real. I would try to find another church and get out of there.


I hope I answered questions ok
 
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If a person claims that he has holy spirit, or that Jesus dwells in him or her but behaves like the Devil, then obviously that person is lying. Holy spirit is indicated by the fruits of the spirit and these make a person like Christ.

Galatians 5:22
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,
 
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I don't know if a specific thread exists for what I am writing about, I wouldn't even know how to title it if I started one. So, first of all, yes, Jesus is in me. We are in near constant communication. Lol, one person told me to quit tying up the phone line!
Now to my question.
If a person speaks in tongues yet behaves badly, are they really believers? Does someone get a permanent halo for speaking in tongues which erases the un Christian behavior? I'm a believer but I'd rather not mention it and let my actions speak for me. In the past that has worked really well. No need for bumper stickers or lapel pins. Are there evil communities? There must be. I think I'm living in one. It's hostile to outsiders, and for as many churches as there are here, the people are mean. There's plenty of demonic activity as well and I'm told there's a witche's coven 15 miles away. Maybe this is a typical small town. I don't know. Please move this message if it's in the wrong place. Thanks.
Personally I think this is worth a shout out but, it is off topic. If you want to talk more about it PM me or start a thread I'd love to be invited.

As to the question...If a person speaks in tongues yet behaves badly, are they really believers? Well, only God knows the heart but that being said, we have a friend who became demon possessed from being "taught" to speak in tongues. My point being, the only real test given in scripture for the true believer is that of the fruit of the Spirit which is both righteousness and Gal 5:22-23 anything else can and is imitated by satan and the world at large.

Does someone get a permanent halo for speaking in tongues which erases the un Christian behavior? Not according to scripture. In fact, according to scripture, the most important thing we can do apart from accepting Jesus as Lord is righteousness. Everything else pales by comparison and there are some very good reasons for this. The number one reason is because God is so righteous, holy, and just that He cannot abide where sin resides. That is why we need Jesus in the first place and as it applies to this thread, Jesus blood covers our sins, hides them so to speak so that God cannot see them. Without that "blood" application to our lives, God aka in this discussion the HS cannot reside with us or in us. It all goes back to the temple and sacrifices and the ark and all of that, a most wonderful study that really opens up an understanding of Christ and the new covenant.

As to a summary of the rest of this. Few people know how prevalent the satan side of the world really is. Not only (speaking strictly from personal experience at this point in the post) has our son stumbled across a satanic ritual location but another son is demonized to the point in which we know the name of at least one demon involved. I have taken part in exorcism of someone who was possessed and seeking help. The area where I grew up is known at least by some as one of the highest concentrations of occult type activity, iows satan worship. One of my all time best friends is the son of a Haitian ex voodoo priest and we have talked about the occult as per his experiences. There are covens around and one friend almost got trapped in one. I think that way too many believers simply close their eyes to the demonic world because it is "uncomfortable" to them. It is not a world the true believer should fear for God is greater but it is very real and we should be aware enough of it to guard ourselves against it by allowing ourselves to be the temple of the Living God and in that living in the power of the indwelling HS. Amen.
 
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Thank you Luke 2:52 is a good verse to use for this also.
Jesus personally might have been able to handle having the power, but I do not see how he could have mentored 12 grown men?
Just opened the laptop, clicked on this and it is wonderful !

Jesus "mentors" billions at one time.
GOD NEWS, and good news for all those destined for life in the resurrection!
 
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1. If a person speaks and tounques and behaves badly they are in the process of backsliding [/QUOTE

Thank you, you've given me some things to think about. This is a strange little town. The word CHRISTIAN doesn't mean what it used to.

What prompted me to write was the most recent contact I had with a woman I've known for many years. She's a devoted church member but she believes only what prosperity pastors teach. She will say very rude, insensitive things and make comments that hurt and it's not an occasional occurance. I can't believe she doesn't know what she's doing. She says that before she was saved, she was very judgemental. Well, she still is.
My ex also spoke in tongues but was unfaithful, among other things. So, I'm cautious.
I remember a pastor getting in my face and hitting me repeatedly on the shoulder, telling me to LET IT OUT! He wanted me to speak in tongues right then.
I feel the HS within me, and at one point I could have begun to speak in tongues, but I pushed it down.
I grew up going to Catholic school during the day and coming home to a mother who was heavily involved in the occult. God has had His hand on me from birth. I was meant to be here, of that I am certain. I say that because the first words out of my mother's mouth, when I told her my husband and I were expecting, was "Get an abortion." She said the same thing to my daughter 21 years later when she told her she was expecting.
None of what I was exposed to at home attached itself permanently. I renounced it all when I left home.
My mother has continued her love of the occult and it has done heavy damage to her. We do not have contact. My only sibling grew up to become a psychic.
Now I live in a town where the library throws out donated Christian books rather than putting them out for sale with other the donations. I volunteered for awhile but quit when during a meeting, one of the other volunteers pulled out a deck of tarot cards, removed a card and pointed it at me. They told me they had a problem with the word God.
There is a lot of darkness here.
 
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Personally I think this is worth a shout out but, it is off topic. If you want to talk more about it PM me or start a thread I'd love to be invited.

How do I PM you? I haven't earned the right to start a thread yet.
 
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click on my name then "start a conversation" just started one with you. It should show up in Alerts....btw, I like you name, I made my first dress with zipper and set in sleeves when I was like 6 or 7. I don't really like to sew but it has always been a huge part of my life and I still kind of like to quilt though I don't do it much. One year I made costumes for photos at an old time show, that was a lot of sewing!!!
 
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Is Jesus Christ in you?

a simple "yes" or "no"

and then discussion and why you think this and how you agree that he is in you, or why you don't agree that he is in you.
Romans 8 says: 'If any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of His".
 
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click on my name then "start a conversation" just started one with you. It should show up in Alerts....btw, I like you name, I made my first dress with zipper and set in sleeves when I was like 6 or 7. I don't really like to sew but it has always been a huge part of my life and I still kind of like to quilt though I don't do it much. One year I made costumes for photos at an old time show, that was a lot of sewing!!!

This site may not be Kindle friendly. I'm not seeing a way to start a conversation.
 
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Isaiah 14:12-14King James Version (KJV)
12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

and then.. the niv for example says this (you can check into any translation and compare it)

12 How you have fallen from heaven, morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations!
13 You said in your heart, “I will ascend to the heavens; I will raise my throne above the stars of God; I will sit enthroned on the mount of assembly, on the utmost heights of Mount Zaphon.
14 I will ascend above the tops of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High.”

and in revelation,Jesus is referred to as the bright & morning star, so they are calling Jesus satan in this,by replacing Lucifer with morning star in isaiah.

Revelation 22:16King James Version (KJV)
16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

Revelation 22:16New International Version (NIV)
16 “I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give youa]">[a] this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star.”

also, here are some more examples of them changing & taking scripture out. the example i shared here is in the picture too.
this site might help you also here

'Lucifer or Morning Star?
 
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Isaiah: 14:(12). The King James Version renders it as follows: "How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How art though cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations."

In spite of this rendering, the proper name "Lucifer" is not in the original Hebrew text. In Hebrew "Lucifer, son of the morning" is helel ben shachar. It could be translated "Shining one, son of the dawn." It is not a proper name, but an epithet for the king of Babylon.

Why then did the King James translators translate "Lucifer" for "Shining one" in this passage?

The answer lies in two earlier translations. In the third century B.C.E., Ptolemy Philadelphus (285-247 B.C.E.), the Greek-speaking Pharoah of Egypt, commissioned a Greek translation of the Hebrew Scriptures for his own library. Seventy-two scholars performed the work. They became known as "The Seventy." Their translation itself was called "The Septuagint" or "LXX," which are the Roman numerals for "70."

In translating Isaiah 14:12, the Seventy chose the word Heosphoros for the Hebrew helel ben shachar. Heos means "in or of the morning" and phoros means "that which is borne, or bearing." This is not an exact translation of the original Hebrew, but it’s reasonably close.

Jerome’s Translation
As mentioned above, the Septuagint (LXX) translation was commissioned during the reign of Ptolemy Philadelphus. The Prophets section wasn’t completed until around 200 B.C.E. By the time of Jesus and the apostles, the LXX was in common use throughout Palestine. It is clear from the wording that many of the New Testament’s quotations from the Old Testament are taken from the Greek (LXX), rather than the Hebrew, text.

Because Greek is a very different language than Hebrew, much of the original meaning and intent was lost in the LXX.

As empires rose and fell, the fortunes of languages rose and fell with them. The longer the Romans ruled, the more prominent Latin became. During Constantine’s reign, the Roman Empire took over gentile Christianity, politicized it, and made it the state religion. By the fourth century C.E., the Latin Church father Jerome (340 AD – 419 AD) had risen to prominence within the Roman Catholic Church. At the suggestion of Pope Damasus, Jerome began work on a Latin translation of the Bible. After 20 years of toil, the translation now known as the Vulgate was completed in the year 405 C.E.

Jerome used the LXX version, along with the Hebrew, in making his translation. As Church historian Schaff explains, "From the present stage of biblical philology and exegesis the Vulgate can be charged, indeed, with innumerable faults, inaccuracies, inconsistencies, and arbitrary dealing, in particulars…"

When he translated Isaiah 14:12, Jerome did not strictly translate the Hebrew helel ben shachar, nor did he use the Greek (LXX) Heosphoros, which term, by his day, had fallen largely into disuse. Instead he translated as though the original word had been lukophos. Lukophos, by Jerome’s time, had become an epithet for the gods Apollo and Pan. Earlier, Catholic theologians Tertullian and Origen had begun to read Satan into the story of the King of Babylon in Isaiah 14. Jerome’s selection of words may have been influenced by this theology.

As a result of Jerome’s translation, the images of Pan and the Devil were morphed together. Today, the devil is often depicted as "Lucifer," and his appearance is similar to the ancient god Pan, with goat-like features including horns and cloven hoofs. Yet there is nothing in the text itself that would indicate that a figure named "Lucifer" is intended. Nor do these verses in Isaiah 14 represent an account of the fall of the devil. As Dr. John D. Watts explains in his commentary on Isaiah: "…the OT [Old Testament] knows nothing of attempts to dethrone Yahweh…" Watts also observes, "When the poem has been used in apocryphal and Christian circles to picture the fall of the angelic Satan, the reference must be to the shadowy mythical background of the poem rather than to the poem itself. It is significant that the account of the fall of Satan (Rev. 12) makes no reference to Isa 14" (ibid. p. 212).
you might want to read this site to consider

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Wow I see that's a tough situation and i'm shocked at the negative impact that church has had it's sad. I can't believe the pastor does that as well.

What I would recommend is to of course go elsewhere but also I saw a video that might help actually I'll post below. But also those walls you had up for protection against that occult (which is fine) such as pushing down the holy spirit now is a time to allow it all to spring up again. It may take time to open up but just keep seeking God with all your heart crying out to him and release that holy spirit inside you. Seek a good church home and i'm not suggesting it has to be a certain denomination or anything it's just about a church that follows the word of God. There are false churches in every denomination what matters is if the church is preaching the truth.


Here's the video ironically the topic he covered is what we are talking about, so maybe God wanted me to show you this idk.

 
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