How come good Friday is only two days from Easter Sunday?

Dkh587 said:

I'm going with the Messiah on this one.

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So why do you ignore the Messiah when He says He will rise on the third day?

When I count from Friday afternoon to Sunday morning, I only count 2 nights. The Messiah didn't say 3 days and 2 nights. He said 3 days and 3 nights. Are there 3 nights between Friday afternoon and Sunday morning? I'm seriously asking here.

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You've completely ignored what I posted. The days and nights figure of speech is used frequently in the Scriptures.
Forty days and forty nights in Gen 7, Ex 24 & Ex 34, Deut 9 & Deut 10, 1 Kings 19 and Matt 4.
Seven days and seven nights in Job 2.
Three days and three nights in 1 Sam 30, Jonah 1 and Matt 12.

I can meet you halfway on Friday afternoon to Sunday morning counting as 3 days(even though I don't celebrate Good Friday & Easter), but where's the 3 nights?

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The "whole" in the synecdoche is the "day and night", which is a whole day of 24 hours. The "part" can be any part of that 24 hour period.
Most examples of synecdoche that we are familiar with involve the part signifying the whole, such as "I bought twenty head of cattle", or "five souls perished in the accident", however there are other examples of the whole signifying the part in Scripture.
For example in Matt 2:3,
Obviously, infants and young children in Jerusalem weren't troubled by this, so "all Jerusalem" signifies the part.
In Matt 3:5,
Again, we understand that the entire population of this region didn't move en masse to Jesus, it is logistically impossible, so again the whole signifies the part.

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The Wednesday and Thursday crucifixion hypotheses, called the Reconstructionist view in academic circles, is absolutely contingent upon the crucifixion occurring on the 14th day of the first ecclesiastical Hebrew month. This is because the day following the crucifixion was a Sabbath (Matthew 27:62, Mark 15:42-43, Luke 23:54, John 19:31). By placing the crucifixion on the 14th, this Sabbath requirement in the Passion week chronology is thereby satisfied in the Reconstructionist view, because the 15th of the month is a holy convocation (Leviticus 23:7-8), and considered by many to be a holiday-based Sabbath (Joseph. AJ 3.250-252; Lev. 23:10-15. According to Josephus, the count towards Pentecost began at First Fruits on the 16th of Nisan, which was, according to Lev. 23:10-15, the morrow after the Sabbath. Although the holy convocation of the 15th is not directly labeled a Sabbath (Lev. 23:7-8), the circumstantial evidence is clear enough that if the 16th is the morrow after the Sabbath, then the 15th is the Sabbath, since the ceremonies and events tied to the 16th are fixed, whereas the weekday of the 16th is arbitrary relative to lunar observation).

If the crucifixion does not occur on the 14th day of the month, then the hypothesis has no credible ground to stand on.

Now, Mark and Luke both tell us that the afternoon preceding the Last Supper was the first day of unleavened bread, when the Passover was killed, and that the disciples inquired about, and were instructed to, make ready the Passover so they could eat it.

Mark 14:12 — "And the first day of unleavened bread, when they killed the Passover, his disciples said unto him, Where wilt thou that we go and prepare that thou mayest eat the Passover?"

Luke 22:7-8 — "Then came the day of unleavened bread, when the Passover must be killed. And he sent Peter and John, saying, Go and prepare us the Passover, that we may eat."

The search for leaven began at sundown on the 13th of Nisan (considered the twilight of the 14th), which was the first of three general searches made in preparation for the holiday. The second search occurred early on the morning of the 14th day, and the final search was at the time when all leaven had to be removed from the home, about the sixth hour of the day, or noon (Talmud, Pesachim 2b, 12b). On the 14th calendar day of the month (Exodus 12:3, 6), if it was a Preparation day (Friday), the Passover lamb was then slain at approximately 12:30 in the afternoon and offered up at 1:30 (Talmud, Yoma 28b). On other days of the week it was slain at 2:30 in the afternoon and offered up at 3:30 (Exodus 12:18; Talmud Pesachim 58b; Joseph. BJ 6.423), as the sun began moving towards the western horizon (Exodus 12:6, Deuteronomy 16:1-6), which is what they considered evening.

The disciples, therefore, came to Jesus on the morning of the 14th day of Nisan, inquiring where he wanted them to prepare for them to keep the Passover. This would have been prior to 2:30 in the afternoon, but on the afternoon of the 14th. Jesus then sent them to prepare the Passover so they could all eat, and the scriptures plainly state that the disciples made ready the Passover (Matthew 26:17, Mark 14:12, Matthew 26:18, Mark 14:14, Luke 22:8).

So understand that Jesus' Last Supper was the Passover feast. It was eaten with the disciples on the cusp of the 14th and 15th of the month (sunset was the change in calendar date). They did not prepare the Passover on the 13th (which was illegal). They did not kill the Passover lamb after sunset when the date went from the 13th to the 14th. The Passover wasn’t sacrificed until all leaven had been removed, and they didn’t burn the leaven until the sixth hour of the day (noon) on the 14th (Talmud, Pesachim 2b, 12b). It was also unlawful to sacrifice the Passover at night (Talmud, Pesachim 82b).

Jesus, therefore, ate his Last Supper on the 14th/15th, and was crucified the morning of the 15th of the month.

Because the crucifixion took place on the 15th, the only day of the week that can work is Friday, because the 16th is not a holiday Sabbath. If there is no holiday Sabbath the day following the crucifixion, then only Saturday can fulfill that scriptural requirement.

Now, since we know that Jesus died on the 15th, and that this could only have been a Friday because of the Sabbath the following day ... and since we know that he rose "early on the first day of the week" ... Inclusive counting, by default (notwithstanding the fact that it is the historically accurate way of counting for first century Jews), is the correct method. Friday is one day. Saturday is two days. Sunday is three days.

As prodromos noted, who has supported me before on threads of this nature, three days and three nights is synecdochical.

Please abandon any thoughts of a Wednesday crucifixion. It's not correct.

Jennifer Rothnie said:

However, in brief, scripture does not say that the weekly Sabbath followed the crucifixion. It says that the day Jesus died was a preparation day for a High Sabbath. (Jn 19:31, Mk 15:42, Jn 19:42) We know that the Passover was followed by the First day of the Feast of Unleavened bread, which was a special Sabbath where no work was done (Ex 12:15-16).

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First, what it doesn't say is that it was anything other than a weekly Sabbath. Mark explicitly states in Mark 15:42-43 that "when the even was come, because it was the preparation, that is, the day before the Sabbath […]"

Jennifer Rothnie said:

To further complicate matters, in the time of Christ, both the 14th of Nissan and the 15th were celebrated as the first day of Passover (so the 14th/+night 15th or 15th/+night 16th) due to differences in the calculation of the timing by the Saducees and Pharisees. (This common Jewish practice is called 'doubling')

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This is not correct. The Beth Din declared the first day of the month and established the timing of the holidays throughout the year. There was no autonomous dating of the holiday by different sects, barring only the Essenes who used a solar calendar, though they didn't celebrate the Passover in Jerusalem. Wherever you got this, it is erroneous.

Jennifer Rothnie said:

The Passover meal could be taken during the -first- twilight of the 14th, just after sundown. (Lev 23:5-6, Ex 12:6) Most took it on the 15th, after sundown on the 14th - but either way was permissable. (By the time of Christ, the Pharisees and Saducees also differed on the dating of Passover, so technically there were three nights it could be eaten!)

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The Passover sacrifice had to be eaten in one night. It could not be left until morning (Talmud, Pesachim 59b; Joseph. AJ 3.248). And it couldn't be sacrificed until the 14th day, after all leaven had been destroyed. This is simply not possible or correct.

Jennifer Rothnie said:

This is why John can call the 14th both "the preparation of the passover" (Jn 19:14) and preparation for a Sabbath that was a High day (Jn 19:31.)

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In John 19:31, John does not say that it was a High Sabbath. What he actually says is that the upcoming Sabbath was going to be a “great day,” not a “great Sabbath;” ἦν γὰρ μεγάλη ἡ ἡμέρα ἐκείνου τοῦ σαββάτου … “for great was the day of that Sabbath.” And since the Sabbath that week fell on the 16th of the month, which was First Fruits and the Waving of the Sheaf, and also the beginning of the count to Pentecost, which fell in this case on a Saturday, it was, in fact, a high day in Passover week on which the Sabbath would fall.

Yeshua HaDerekh said:

IMO that would be impossible since Yerushalayim was the mother Church and everything spread out from there. Plus we know Antioch was established before Rome.

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Yep, I know, and other reasons besides. But I don't like to argue about it.

Andrew4jesus said:

How come good Friday is only two days away from Easter Sunday?

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The phrase ‘three days and three nights’ is a Jewish idiom and it does not require that there be three literal nights with the three days. Also, a "day" can be just a part of a day and not necessarily a full day.

Jonah was swallowed by the fish during the day time and was vomited out during the day time (Jonah 1:17-2:10). In order for that to be three days, only two nights could have been involved. Yet it is called "three days and three nights".

Similarly, in Esther 4:16-5:1, there is a fast for ‘three days and three nights’ that begins on the first day and ends on the third day, which means only two nights were involved.

So we do conclude that this is an idiom that observes that each of the days had a night associated with it.

For another example, if you and I go to the movie theater and we sit in the same row and I sit in Seat One next to the aisle and you sit in Seat Three, there is only one seat between us. I am sitting in the first seat, and you are sitting in the third seat. Call the three seats ‘Friday,’ ‘Saturday,’ and ‘Sunday.’ Now we can more easily understand that Jesus was buried on Friday which is the first day and He rose on Sunday, which is the third day.

I found this site which explains it very well:
Jesus Wasn't Crucified on Friday or Resurrected on Sunday: How long was Jesus in the tomb?

Not to mention that many of our holidays that we believe to be religious, are actually a melting pot of pagan and religious days of celebration.



Here are some of the important snips from the website....


Most theologians and religious scholars try to work around it by arguing that any part of a day or night counts as a day or night. Thus, they say, the final few minutes of that Friday afternoon were the first day, all day Saturday was the second day, and the first few minutes of Sunday morning were the third day.

The trouble is, it doesn’t work. This only adds up to three days and two nights, not three days and three nights.

Also, John 20:1 tells us that “on the first day of the week Mary Magdalene went to the tomb early, while it was still dark, and saw that the stone had been taken away from the tomb.”

Did you catch the problem here? John tells us it was still dark when Mary went to the tomb on Sunday morning and found it empty. Jesus was already resurrected well before daybreak. Thus He wasn’t in the tomb any of the daylight portion of Sunday, so none of that can be counted as a day.


Several computer software programs exist that enable us to calculate when the Passover and God’s other festivals fall in any given year. Those programs show that in A.D. 31, the year of these events, the Passover meal was eaten on Tuesday night and Wednesday sundown marked the beginning of the “high day,” the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread.


Jesus, then, was crucified and entombed on a Wednesday afternoon, not on Friday.

Here is the Passover dates for 2017 that show that Good Friday is not the day we think.

Erev Pesach (Passover Eve) - April 11st at sundown

Pesach (Passover) - April 12nd

Feast of Unleavened Bread - April 13rd (High Sabbath)

Jan001 said:

The phrase ‘three days and three nights’ is a Jewish idiom and it does not require that there be three literal nights with the three days.

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Actually, the "three days and three nights is the one thing that Jesus told them would link them to the fact that He was, in fact, the messiah.

Yet when we compare this to what Jesus Himself said about how long He would be entombed, we find a major contradiction. How long did Jesus say He would be in the grave? “For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth” (Matthew 12:40).

The context in which Jesus Christ said these words is important. The scribes and Pharisees were demanding a miraculous sign from Him to prove that He was indeed the long-awaited Messiah. “But He answered and said to them, ‘An evil and adulterous generation seeks after a sign, and no sign will be given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah’ ” (verse 39)

Also from:
Jesus Wasn't Crucified on Friday or Resurrected on Sunday: How long was Jesus in the tomb?

Andrew4jesus said:

Why do some people believe different days of the week? Ive never heard of that,it's always been good Friday and Easter Sunday as far as I can remember. But I must admit it has that squeezed into a weekend type of feeling about it to me. I wish we celebrated the resurrection of Jesus with the same vigour that the world claims to celebrate Christmas with. I don't know one decent Easter hymn.

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Isaac Watts

"Welcome, sweet day of rest,
That saw the Lord arise;
Welcome to this reviving breast,
And these rejoicing eyes!

The King Himself comes near,
And feasts His saints today;
Here we may sit, and see Him here,
And love, and praise, and pray.

One day amid the place
Where my dear God hath been,
Is sweeter than ten thousand days
Of pleasurable sin.

My willing soul would stay
In such a frame as this,
And sit, and sing herself away
To everlasting bliss."

Isaac Watts

JacksBratt said:

I found this site which explains it very well:
Jesus Wasn't Crucified on Friday or Resurrected on Sunday: How long was Jesus in the tomb?

Not to mention that many of our holidays that we believe to be religious, are actually a melting pot of pagan and religious days of celebration.



Here are some of the important snips from the website....


Most theologians and religious scholars try to work around it by arguing that any part of a day or night counts as a day or night. Thus, they say, the final few minutes of that Friday afternoon were the first day, all day Saturday was the second day, and the first few minutes of Sunday morning were the third day.

The trouble is, it doesn’t work. This only adds up to three days and two nights, not three days and three nights.

Also, John 20:1 tells us that “on the first day of the week Mary Magdalene went to the tomb early, while it was still dark, and saw that the stone had been taken away from the tomb.”

Did you catch the problem here? John tells us it was still dark when Mary went to the tomb on Sunday morning and found it empty. Jesus was already resurrected well before daybreak. Thus He wasn’t in the tomb any of the daylight portion of Sunday, so none of that can be counted as a day.


Several computer software programs exist that enable us to calculate when the Passover and God’s other festivals fall in any given year. Those programs show that in A.D. 31, the year of these events, the Passover meal was eaten on Tuesday night and Wednesday sundown marked the beginning of the “high day,” the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread.


Jesus, then, was crucified and entombed on a Wednesday afternoon, not on Friday.

Here is the Passover dates for 2017 that show that Good Friday is not the day we think.

Erev Pesach (Passover Eve) - April 11st at sundown

Pesach (Passover) - April 12nd

Feast of Unleavened Bread - April 13rd (High Sabbath)

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Please refer to post #69. Friday is the only possible day. Wednesday and Thursday crucifixions are out of the question.

Dkh587 said:

I can meet you halfway on Friday afternoon to Sunday morning counting as 3 days(even though I don't celebrate Good Friday & Easter), but where's the 3 nights?

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Last Week / ‘Holy Week’

Sabbath
"Six days before passover Feast Days" John 12:1 (… begin on Friday)

(Palm Sunday)
Five days before "Feast Days" John 12:12 (… begin on Friday)

(Monday)
Four days before "Feast Days" (… begin on Friday)
Mark 11:12 Matthew 21:18 Mark 11:15 Luke 19:45-48 Mark 11:19

(Tuesday)
THREE days before "Feast Days" (… begin on Friday)
Mark 11:20,21,27 Matthew 22:23 Luke 20:1-8 Mark 13:1,3
= Matthew 26:2 "after TWO days (Wednesday Thursday) is Passover
= “Son of Man CRUCIFIED" (… on Thursday)

(Wednesday)
TWO days before "Feast Days" (… begin on Friday)
Luke 21:38 Matthew 26:3
= Mark 14:1-3 "after TWO days (Thursday Friday) is Feast
= “Days of UNLEAVENED Bread" (… begin on Friday)

(Thursday—Wednesday night and Thursday day, the Fifth Day)
One day before "Feast Days" (… begin on Friday)
= “BEFORE the Feast” John 13:1
= “PREPARATION of the Passover” John 19:14
= “NOT ON, the Feast” Mark 14:2
= “WHEN they KILLED the passover…
= “WHEN they REMOVED leaven”
= Mark 14:12 Matthew 26:17 Luke 22:7 Exodus 12:15a
= Abib 14 (Thursday Abib 14)

(Friday)
“The Feast of Unleavened Bread” Exodus 12:15b (… began on Friday)
= “The Preparation …
= “… which is the Foresabbath …
= “… for THAT DAY WAS great day sabbath” of passover.

The OT Passover of Yahweh and Jesus' Passover of Yahweh-SUFFERING must and will be seen to correlate and synchronize and agree PERFECTLY.

1A) HERE BEGINS the NIGHT and the FIRST of the “three days”, “according to the Scriptures” – the passover–Scriptures :–
wherein Jesus ENTERED IN in “the Kingdom of my Father” (Jesus’ Jonah’s descent to hell) :–
Mk14:12/17; Mt26:17/20; Lk22:7/14; Jn13:1.

1B) HERE BEGINS the MORNING of the FIRST of the “three days”, “according to the Scriptures” – the passover–Scriptures :–
in which Jesus was delivered and crucified :–
Mk15:1/Mt27:1/Lk23:1/Jn19:14

1C) HERE is the LATE NOON AND MID–AFTERNOON of the FIRST of the “three days”, “according to the Scriptures” – the passover–Scriptures :–
when Jesus DIED and was deserted by all :–
Mk15:37–41; Mk27:50–56; Lk23:44–49; Jn19:28–30

2A) HERE BEGINS the SECOND of the “three days”, “according to the Scriptures” – the passover–Scriptures :–
the day whereon Joseph WOULD BURY the body of Jesus :–
Mk15:42/Mt27:57, Lk23:50–51, Jn19:31/38.
“The Feast of Unleavened Bread” Exodus 12:15b
= “The Preparation …
= “… which is the Fore-Sabbath …
= “… for THAT DAY WAS great day sabbath” of passover.
= FRIDAY!
= Abib 15, Thursday night and Friday day = Sixth Day ....

2B) HERE is the NIGHT of the SECOND of the “three days”, “according to the Scriptures” – the passover–Scriptures :–
wherein Joseph begged the body, and according to the law of the Jews – the passover’s law – undertook and prepared to bury Jesus:–
“the first night” unleavened bread was eaten John 19:39
Mk15:43–46a; Mt27:58–59; Lk23:52–53a; Jn19:31b–40

2C) HERE is the LATE NOON AND MID–AFTERNOON of the SECOND of the “three days”, “according to the Scriptures” – the passover–Scriptures :–
when Joseph and Nicodemus had laid the body and had closed the tomb; and men and women left for home :–
Mk15:46b–47; Mk27:60–61; Lk23:53b–56a; JN19:41–42

3A) HERE BEGINS the THIRD of the “three days”, “according to the Scriptures” – the passover–Scriptures :–
THAT JESUS WOULD RISE FROM THE DEAD ON :–
Lk23:56b
“The day after the sabbath” OF THE PASSOVER Leviticus 23:11,15
= Abib 16, Friday night and Saturday day = Seventh Day Sabbath....

3B) HERE is the MORNING of the THIRD of the “three days”, “according to the Scriptures” – the passover–Scriptures :–
Pilate ordered a guard “for the third day” :–
Mt27:62–66

3C) HERE is “IN the Sabbath’s Fullness MID–AFTERNOON” of the THIRD of the “three days”, “according to the Scriptures” – the passover–Scriptures :–
First Sheaf Wave Offering Before the LORD :–
Mt28:1–4.
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Abib 17, Saturday night and Sunday day = First Day ....
4A) HERE begins the day AFTER the “three days” (fourth day of the passover season) :–
that Jesus WOULD APPEAR on :–
Mk16:1, “When the Sabbath was past ..... they BOUGHT ....”

4B) HERE is the EVENING of this day,
Jn20:1–10 Mary sees the DOOR STONE was away from the tomb (discovers tomb has been OPENED);

4C) HERE is the NIGHT of this day,
Lk24:1–10 “DEEP(EST) DARKNESS” ––– “women with their spices” and ointments go to salve the body; “they found Him NOT” (discover tomb is EMPTY);
Mk16:2–8 “very early (before) SUN’S RISING” ––– women’s return–visit to ascertain; “they fled terrified and told NO ONE”.

4D) Here is sunrise (‘Sunday’ morning),
Jn20:11f, Mk16:9 “Mary had had stood behind” .... saw the gardener (sunrise); “Risen, early (sunrise) on the First Day, Jesus first APPEARED to Mary ....”
Mt28:5–10 “The angel explained to the (other) women (Mt28:1–4) .... As they went to tell .... Jesus met them” (after sunrise).
Mt28:11–15 Guard to high priests.

http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?p=2169293&posted=1#post2169293

"When the even was come because it had become The Preparation" Mark 15:42 Matthew 27:57 only, "came Joseph".
But BEFORE Joseph, "the Jews, because it had become the Preparation --when the even was come-- asked Pilate." John 19:31,38.
"And having met, there also came to him (Joseph), Nicodemus who At The First NIGHT brought myrrh and aloes " --- At The First NIGHT they ate unleavened bread ... after they had killed the sacrifice the day before.

http://www.biblestudents.co.za/books/The Heart of the Gospel -

http://www.biblestudents.co.za/books/The Heart of the Gospel - Die Hart van die Evangelie Inhoud.pdf

prodromos said:

So why do you ignore the Messiah when He says He will rise on the third day?

You've completely ignored what I posted. The days and nights figure of speech is used frequently in the Scriptures.
Forty days and forty nights in Gen 7, Ex 24 & Ex 34, Deut 9 & Deut 10, 1 Kings 19 and Matt 4.
Seven days and seven nights in Job 2.
Three days and three nights in 1 Sam 30, Jonah 1 and Matt 12.

The "whole" in the synecdoche is the "day and night", which is a whole day of 24 hours. The "part" can be any part of that 24 hour period.
Most examples of synecdoche that we are familiar with involve the part signifying the whole, such as "I bought twenty head of cattle", or "five souls perished in the accident", however there are other examples of the whole signifying the part in Scripture.
For example in Matt 2:3,

When Herod the king heard this, he was troubled, and all Jerusalem with him.​

Obviously, infants and young children in Jerusalem weren't troubled by this, so "all Jerusalem" signifies the part.
In Matt 3:5,

Then Jerusalem, all Judea, and all the region around the Jordan went out to him.​

Again, we understand that the entire population of this region didn't move en masse to Jesus, it is logistically impossible, so again the whole signifies the part.

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I believe he rose on the 3rd day. I believe he was in the grave 3 days & 3 nights, just like he said he would be. It's basic mathematics to determine that there are not 3 nights between Friday afternoon and Sunday. Therefore, I do not celebrate Easter nor Good as it is not a biblically correct timeline.

AFrazier said:

Please refer to post #69. Friday is the only possible day. Wednesday and Thursday crucifixions are out of the question.

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The confusion with your figuring is that there are two Sabbaths at this time. The article I posted a link to describes this in a simple but understandable way.

It is all quite clear:

Jesus Wasn't Crucified on Friday or Resurrected on Sunday: How long was Jesus in the tomb?

Jesus, then, was crucified and entombed on a Wednesday afternoon, not on Friday.

Can we find further proof of this in the Gospels? Yes, indeed we can!


Let’s turn to a seldom-noticed detail in Mark 16:1: “Now when the Sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, and Salome bought spices, that they might come and anoint Him.”


In that time, if the body of a loved one was placed in a tomb rather than being buried directly in the ground, friends and family would commonly place aromatic spices in the tomb alongside the body to reduce the smell as the remains decayed.


Since Jesus’ body was placed in the tomb just before that high-day Sabbath began, the women had no time to buy those spices before the Sabbath. Also, they could not have purchased them on the Sabbath day, as shops were closed. Thus, Mark says, they bought the spices after the Sabbath— “when the Sabbath was past.”


But notice another revealing detail in Luke 23:55-56: “And the women who had come with [Christ] from Galilee followed after, and they observed the tomb and how His body was laid. Then they returned and prepared spices and fragrant oils. And they rested on the Sabbath according to the commandment.”


Do you see a problem here? Mark clearly states that the women bought the spices after the Sabbath—”when the Sabbath was past.” Luke tells us that the women prepared the spices and fragrant oils, after which “they rested on the Sabbath according to the commandment.”

So they bought the spices after the Sabbath, and then they prepared the spices before resting on the Sabbath. This is a clear contradiction between these two Gospel accounts—unless two Sabbaths were involved!

By comparing details in both accounts, we can clearly see that two different Sabbaths are mentioned along with a workday in between. The first Sabbath was a “high day”—the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, which fell on a Thursday. The second was the weekly seventh-day Sabbath.

AFrazier said:

In John 19:31, John does not say that it was a High Sabbath. What he actually says is that the upcoming Sabbath was going to be a “great day,” not a “great Sabbath;” ἦν γὰρ μεγάλη ἡ ἡμέρα ἐκείνου τοῦ σαββάτου … “for great was the day of that Sabbath.” And since the Sabbath that week fell on the 16th of the month, which was First Fruits and the Waving of the Sheaf, and also the beginning of the count to Pentecost, which fell in this case on a Saturday, it was, in fact, a high day in Passover week on which the Sabbath would fall.

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Not sure I follow you. The counting of the omer starts on the morrow AFTER the Sabbath, Sunday, Yom HaBikkurim.

AFrazier said:

Friday is the only possible day. Wednesday and Thursday crucifixions are out of the question.

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What happened, clock-wise, in Mark 15:42 Matthew 27:57 Luke 23:50 John 19:31?

JacksBratt said:

Actually, the "three days and three nights is the one thing that Jesus told them would link them to the fact that He was, in fact, the messiah.

Yet when we compare this to what Jesus Himself said about how long He would be entombed, we find a major contradiction. How long did Jesus say He would be in the grave? “For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth” (Matthew 12:40).

The context in which Jesus Christ said these words is important. The scribes and Pharisees were demanding a miraculous sign from Him to prove that He was indeed the long-awaited Messiah. “But He answered and said to them, ‘An evil and adulterous generation seeks after a sign, and no sign will be given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah’ ” (verse 39)

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WHY is this always brought up? 3 days and nights was IN THE STORY OF YONAH! Yeshua said it because He was comparing Himself in the tomb to Yonah in the great fishes belly. That is no sign. The sign, and He did not tell them the end game BECAUSE they were evil, was THE RESURRECTION. THAT was THE SIGN. Many times He hid information. Why did He not just come out and tell them straight away He would rise from the dead??? Come on people...THINK!

AFrazier said:

The Wednesday and Thursday crucifixion hypotheses, called the Reconstructionist view in academic circles, is absolutely contingent upon the crucifixion occurring on the 14th day of the first ecclesiastical Hebrew month. This is because the day following the crucifixion was a Sabbath (Matthew 27:62, Mark 15:42-43, Luke 23:54, John 19:31).

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Re: <<This is because the day following the crucifixion was a Sabbath (Matthew 27:62, Mark 15:42-43, Luke 23:54, John 19:31).>>

Do you mean a 'weekly' Sabbath, viz., the Seventh Day of the week?

Yeshua HaDerekh said:

WHY is this always brought up? 3 days and nights was IN THE STORY OF YONAH! Yeshua said it because He was comparing Himself in the tomb to Yonah in the great fishes belly. That is no sign. The sign, and He did not tell them the end game BECAUSE they were evil, was THE RESURRECTION. THAT was THE SIGN. Many times He hid information. Why did He not just come out and tell them straight away He would rise from the dead??? Come on people...THINK!

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It's always brought up as a direct result of being a very important prophesy, foreshadow and sign of Christ's coming as the messiah.

Christ uses it so they will understand. That is why it is brought up.

I used to always believe that Christ rose on Sunday but - after doing my own research, I've been leaning towards an earlier day in the week for both the crucifixion (Wednesday) and resurrection (Friday) even though, in the end, it shouldn't matter because the fact was that He told them that he would arise in three days. During the time between the crucifixion and the resurrection, He literally went into Hell and took the keys of death and Hell from Lucifer!!!

AFrazier said:

Mark and Luke both tell us that the afternoon preceding the Last Supper was the first day of unleavened bread, when the Passover was killed,

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<<the afternoon preceding the Last Supper was the first day of unleavened bread>>???
How do <<Mark and Luke both tell us that... it was... the afternoon preceding the Last Supper>>?
And where do <<Mark and Luke both tell us that... it was... the afternoon preceding the Last Supper>>?

AFrazier said:

the count towards Pentecost began at First Fruits on the 16th of Nisan, which was, according to Lev. 23:10-15, the morrow after the Sabbath.

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Passover to Pentecost


Introduction

23:9 And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying,

23:9 καὶ ἐλάλησε κύριος πρὸς Μωυσήν λέγων


10a Speak unto the sons of Israel

10a [דַּבֵּ֞ר dab·bêr][אֶל־ ’el-][בְּנֵ֤י bə·nê][ יִשְׂרָאֵל֙ yiś·rā·’êl]

10a είπον τοις ὑιοίς Ισραὴλ


and say unto them

[וְאָמַרְתָּ֣ wə·’ā·mar·tā][אֲלֵהֶ֔ם ’ă·lê·hem]

και ìερείς πρὸς αυτούς


“Fourteenth day of the First Month” Ex12:6 Lv23:5; 21,22; 10,11a Joshua 5:10

10b When you come into the land that

[כִּֽי־ kî-][תָבֹ֣אוּ ṯā·ḇō·’ū][אֶל־ ’el-][הָאָ֗רֶץ hā·’ā·reṣ][אֲשֶׁ֤ר ’ă·šer]

Όταν εισέλθητε εις την γην ην

I give to you

[אֲנִי֙ ’ă·nî][נֹתֵ֣ן nō·ṯên][לָכֶ֔ם lā·ḵem]

εγώ δίδωμι υμίν

and would reap the/its harvest then you shall bring offering

[וּקְצַרְתֶּ֖ם* ūqəṣartem][אֶת־ ’eṯ-][קְצִירָ֑הּ qəṣîrāh][וַהֲבֵאתֶ֥ם* wahăḇêṯem]

Και θερίζητε τον θερισμόν αυτής και οίσετε

a / the sheaf of the firstfruits of your harvest

[אֶת־ ’eṯ-][עֹ֛מֶר ‘ō·mer][רֵאשִׁ֥ית rê·šîṯ][קְצִירְכֶ֖ם qə·ṣî·rə·ḵem]

το δράγμα απαρχήν του θερισμού υμών

unto the priest

[אֶל־ ’el-][הַכֹּהֵֽן׃ hak·kō·hên.]

προς τον ιερέα

21 Ye shall proclaim the BONE Day the Selfsame

[וּקְרָאתֶ֞ם* ūqərāṯem][בְּעֶ֣צֶם bə‘eṣem][הַיּ֣וֹם hayyōwm][הַזֶּ֗ה hazzeh]

an assembly holy it may be to you any

[מִֽקְרָא־ miqrā-][קֹ֙דֶשׁ֙ qōḏeš][יִהְיֶ֣ה yihyeh][לָכֶ֔ם lāḵem][כָּל־ kāl-]

you shall call this day[1] a convocation it shall be holy to you.

καλέσετε ταύτην την ημέραν[1] κλητή αγία έσται υμίν

work shall you do [therein it shall be] a statute

[מְלֶ֥אכֶת mə·le·ḵeṯ][עֲבֹדָ֖ה ‘ă·ḇō·ḏāh][לֹ֣א lō][תַעֲשׂ֑וּ ṯa·‘ă·śū][חֻקַּ֥ת ḥuq·qaṯ]

no servile work you shall not do on it; it is a law eternal

Παν έργον λατρευτόν ου ποιήσετε εν αυτή νόμιμον αιώνιον

forever in all your dwellings

[עוֹלָ֛ם ‘ōwlām][בְּכָל־ bəḵāl][מוֹשְׁבֹ֥תֵיכֶ֖ם mōwōšəḇōṯêḵem]

throughout your generations

[לְדֹרֹֽתֵיכֶֽם׃ lə·ḏō·rō·ṯê·ḵem.]

to your people in all your dwellings.

εις τας γενεάς υμών εν πάση κατοικία υμών.

22 ye would cut off, level, reap[2a] the harvest of your land

[וּֽבְקֻצְרְכֶ֞ם* ū·ḇə·quṣ·rə·ḵem][קְצִ֣יר qə·ṣîr][אַרְצְכֶ֗ם ’ar·ṣə·ḵem]

and pick up gather bind the land’s spring harvest and bring in

καὶ θερίζητε[1] τὸν θερισμὸν αυτῆς καὶ οίσετε[2b]

the first sheaf of your harvest to the priest.

το δράγμα ἀπαρχὴν του θερισμού ὑμών πρὸς τὸν ìερέα.

not shall you make clean riddance of the corners of your field

[לֹֽא־ lō-][תְכַלֶּ֞ה ṯə·ḵal·leh][פְּאַ֤ת pə·’aṯ][שָֽׂדְךָ֙ śā·ḏə·ḵā]

when you reap and/any gleaning of your harvest

[וּֽקְרָאתֶ֞ם ū·ḇə·quṣ·rə·ḵem][וְלֶ֥קֶט wə·le·qeṭ][קְצִירְךָ֖ qə·ṣî·rə·ḵā]

neither shall you gather them; to the poor and to the stranger

[לֹ֣א lō][תְלַקֵּ֑ט ṯə·laq·qêṭ] [לֶֽעָנִ֤י le·‘ā·nî][וְלַגֵּר֙ wə·lag·gêr]

you shall leave them I [am] the LORD your God

[תַּעֲזֹ֣ב ta·‘ă·zōḇ][אֹתָ֔ם ’ō·ṯām][אֲנִ֖י ’ă·nî][יְהוָ֥ה Yah·weh][אֱלֹהֵיכֶֽם׃ ’ĕ·lō·hê·ḵem.]



“Fifteenth day of the First Month” “the Selfsame BONE Day” Ex12:8-18,41,42,51;13:3-14 Lv23:6-8, 21,22; 10c,11a,14 Nb33:3-8 Dt6:20-25 Acts2:25-35 Mk15:42,46 Mt27:59 Jn19:38,40,42 1Cor15:4

11A And he shall lay* the sheaf before` the LORD

[וְהֵנִ֧יף*wəhênîp̄][אֶת־ ’eṯ-][הָעֹ֛מֶר hā‘ōmer][לִפְנֵ֥י lip̄nê][יְהוָ֖הYahweh]

11A And he shall lay the sheaf open[3]

11A Καὶ ἀνοίσει[3] τὸ δράγμα

before the LORD to be accepted[4] for you.

[לִֽרְצֹנְכֶ֑ם lir·ṣō·nə·ḵem.]

lay the sheaf down before the LORD in store for you.

καὶ ἀνοίσει τὸ δράγμα ἔναντι Κυρίου δεκτόν ὑμίν.



“The sixteenth day of the First Month” “first” “day counted” to the “fiftieth day” Ex14:13-15:21 Lv23:6 2Chr29:17

11B The day-after the sabbath the first day (ye shall count)

[מִֽמָּחֳרַת֙ mim·mā·ḥo·raṯ][5] [הַשַּׁבָּ֔ת haš·šab·bāṯ]

shall wave it the priest

[יְנִיפֶ֖נּוּ* yə·nî·p̄en·nū][הַכֹּהֵֽן׃ hak·kō·hên.]

the priest shall reveal[7] it again.

11B Τῇ ἐπαύριον τῆς πρώτης[6] ἀνοίσει[7] αυτὸ ὁ ìερεύς.

12 And you shall offer on That Day[9] when you wave[8] it

[וַעֲשִׂיתֶ֕ם wa·‘ă·śî·ṯem][בְּי֥וֹם bə·yō·wm][הֲנִֽיפְכֶ֖ם hă·nî·p̄ə·ḵem][אֶת־ ’eṯ-]

12 Καὶ ποιήσετε ἐν τῇ ἡμέρᾳ[9] ῇ ἄν φέρητε[8] τὸ δράγμα

the sheaf a lamb without blemish male of the first year

[הָעֹ֑מֶר hā·‘ō·mer][כֶּ֣בֶשׂ ke·ḇeś][תָּמִ֧ים tā·mîm][בֶּן־ ben-][שְׁנָת֛וֹ šə·nā·ṯōw]

for a burnt offering to the LORD.

[לְעֹלָ֖ה lə·‘ō·lāh][לַיהוָֽה׃ Yah·weh.]

13 and the grain offering [shall be] thereof two tenth deals

[וּמִנְחָתוֹ֩* ū·min·ḥā·ṯōw][שְׁנֵ֨י šə·nê][עֶשְׂרֹנִ֜ים ‘eś·rō·nîm]

13 with its sacrifice two tenths of fine flour

13 και την θυσίαν αυτού δύο δέκατα σεμιδάλεως

of fine flour mixed with oil an offering made by fire

[סֹ֣לֶת sō·leṯ][בְּלוּלָ֥ה bə·lū·lāh][בַשֶּׁ֛מֶן ḇaš·še·men][אִשֶּׁ֥ה ’iš·šeh]

being prepared in olive oil, a sacrifice to the Lord for a scent

αναπεποιημένης εν ελαίω θυσίαν τω Κυρίω εις οσμήν

to the LORD [for] a savor sweet and the drink offering

[לַיהוָ֖ה Yah·weh][רֵ֣יחַ rê·aḥ][נִיחֹ֑חַ nî·ḥō·aḥ][וְנִסְכֹּ֥ה wə·nis·kōh]

of pleasant aroma to the Lord and its libation to the fourth of the hin of wine

οίνου ευωδίας τω Κυρίω και σπονδήν αυτού το τέταρτον του ιν

thereof of wine a fourth [part] of a hin

[יַ֖יִן ya·yin][רְבִיעִ֥ת rə·ḇî·‘iṯ][הַהִֽין׃ ha·hîn.]

14 and bread nor parched grain nor green ears neither

[וְלֶחֶם֩ wə·le·ḥem][וְקָלִ֨י wə·qā·lî][וְכַרְמֶ֜ל wə·ḵar·mel][לֹ֣א lō]

14 and bread and parched green new wheat you shall not eat

14 και άρτον και πεφρυγμένα χίδρα νέα ου φάγεσθε

you shall eat it/at BONE the Day the Selfsame*

[תֹֽאכְל֗וּ ṯō·ḵə·lū][עַד־ ‘aḏ-][עֶ֙צֶם֙ ‘e·ṣem][הַיּ֣וֹם hay·yō·wm][הַזֶּ֔ה haz·zeh]

until whenever you should offer the gifts to your God a law forever *‘the one’

έως αν προσενέγκητε υμεις τα δώρα τω θεώ υμών νόμιμον αιώνιον

that you have brought (it) an offering to your God

[עַ֚ד ‘aḏ][הֲבִ֣יאֲכֶ֔ם hăḇî’ăḵem][אֶת־ ’eṯ-][קָרְבַּ֖ן qārəban][אֱלֹהֵיכֶ֑ם ’ĕlōhêḵem]

[it shall be] a statute forever throughout your generations

[חֻקַּ֤ת ḥuq·qaṯ][עוֹלָם֙ ‘ō·w·lām][לְדֹרֹ֣תֵיכֶ֔ם lə·ḏō·rō·ṯê·ḵem]

in all your dwellings

[בְּכֹ֖ל bə·ḵōl][מֹשְׁבֹֽתֵיכֶֽם׃ mō·šə·ḇō·ṯê·ḵem.]

to your generations in all your dwellings

εις τας γενεάς υμών εν πάση κατοικία υμών

while this (Selfsame) BONE day the day the one same

[עֶ֙צֶם֙ ‘e·ṣem הַיּ֣וֹם hay·yō·wm הַזֶּ֔ה haz·zeh,

έως εις αυτήν ημέραν ταύτην

15a And you shall count for yourself

[וּסְפַרְתֶּ֤ם ūr·sǝ·par·tem לָכֶם֙ lā·ḵem]

15 και αριθμήσετε υμίν

from / including (16 Abib) the day after

[מִמָּחֳרַ֣ת* mim·mā·ḥo·raṯ]

από της επαύριον[10]

the sabbath (of passover feast 15 Abib)

[הַשַּׁבָּ֔ת ha·šab·bāṯ]

των σαββάτων[11]


Feast of Weeks

15b from the day that you brought (it) the sheaf

[מִיּוֹם֙ mî·yō·wm][הֲבִ֣יאֲכֶ֔םאֶת־ hă·ḇî·’ă·ḵem’eṯ-][עֹ֖מֶר ‘ō·mer]

από της ημέρας ης αν προσενέγκητε το δράγμα

of the increase offering (you shall count for yourself)

[הַתְּנוּפָ֑ה hat·tə·nū·p̄āh][לָכֶם֙ lā·ḵem]

του επιθέματος (αριθμήσετε υμίν)

seven Sabbaths complete there shall be

[שֶׁ֥בַע še·ḇa‘ שַׁבָּת֖וֹת šab·bā·ṯō·wṯ תְּמִימֹ֥ת tə·mî·mōṯ תִּהְיֶֽינָה׃ tih·ye·nāh]

έπτά εβδομάδας ολοκλήρους - periods of seven entire[12]

16a Even to the day … after … the Sabbath … the seventh

[עַ֣ד ‘ad מִֽמָּחֳרַ֤ת mim·mā·ḥo·raṯ הַשַּׁבָּת֙ haš·šab·bāṯ הַשְּׁבִיעִ֔ת haš·šə·ḇî·‘iṯ]

shall you number fifty days.

[תִּסְפְּר֖וּ tis·pə·rū חֲמִשִּׁ֣ים ḥă·miš·šîm י֑וֹם yō·wm]

αριθμήσετε πεντήκοντα ημέρας

[[LXX error

until the next day of the last period of seven[13] you shall count fifty days

έως της επαύριον της εσχάτης έβδομάδος[13] αριθμήσετε πεντήκοντα ημέρας]]






Shavuot Pentecost 18 to 20

16b and you shall offer a grain offering new to the LORD.

[וְהִקְרַבְתֶּ֛ם wə·hiq·raḇ·tem מִנְחָ֥ה min·ḥāh חֲדָשָׁ֖ה ḥă·ḏā·šāh לַיהוָֽה׃ Yah·weh.]

and you shall bring sacrifice offering a new to the Lord.

και προσοίσετε θυσίαν νέαν τω κυρίω.

17 From your dwelling 19 Then you shall sacrifice

[עֲשִׂיתֶ֛ם wa·‘ă·śî·ṯem מִמּוֹשְׁבֹ֨תֵיכֶ֜ם mim·mō·wō·šǝ·bō·tê·kem]

you shall bring two loaves wave bread

[תָּבִ֣יאּוּ tā·ḇî’·’ū שְׁ֚תַּיִם ta·yim לֶ֣חֶם le·ḥem תְּנוּפָ֗ה tə·nū·p̄āh]

two tenth deals of fine flour they shall be with leaven

[שְׁנֵ֣י šə·nê עֶשְׂרֹנִ֔ים ‘eś·rō·nîm סֹ֣לֶת sō·leṯ תִּהְיֶ֔ינָה tih·ye·nāh חָמֵ֖ץ ḥā·mêṣ]

They shall be baked first fruits to Yahweh.

[תֵּאָפֶ֑ינָה tê·’ā·p̄e·nāh בִּכּוּרִ֖ים bik·kū·rîm לַֽיהוָֽה׃ Yah·weh]

18 And you shall offer

[וְהִקְרַבְתֶּ֣ם wə·hiq·raḇ·tem



14 ‘nuph’ present, offer

http://biblehub.com/hebrew/5130.htm

…the priest lifted his share of offering and waved it, i.e. moved it toward altar and back, in token of its presentation to God and its return by him to priest:…Levites are set apart for service of the priests Numbers 8:11 … of entire lamb, with oil, Leviticus 14:12,24, and of offerings which were burnt, entirely Exodus 29:24 … so, clearly, of contributions for tabernacle, = offer ׳הֵנִיף תְּנוּפַת זָהָב לְי Exodus 35:22. Numbers 8:13

‘nuph’ lifted (1), offer (1), present (5), presented (6), shake...back and forth (1), shakes (1), shed abroad (1), sprinkled (1), wave (13), waved (1), waving (1), wield (3), wielded (1), wielding (1), wields (1).



11b ‘bo’ ‘yənîp̄ennū’ יְנִיפֶ֖נּוּ bring, gather, harvest 2 Samuel 9:10 bring into Nehemiah 13:15 show Haggai 1:6


10, 22 ‘qatsar’ וּקְצַרְתֶּ֖ם וַהֲבֵאתֶ֥ם reap; join/bind together, collect


21 ‘qara’ וּקְרָאתֶ֞ם call, proclaim, read, recite


11b, 15 ‘mochorath’ / ‘mochoratham’ ‘the morrow’ KJV; ‘next day’x18 ‘day after’x5 ‘next’x4 ‘next morning’x3 ‘following day’x2 NASB



[1 LXX error]

[2 ‘qatsar’ “cut off”, “reap”, “shorten” Lv23:22 “You would reap the first sheaf of the harvest”. NT “the first day they killed the lamb”.]

[3a “bring sheaf”, “the third hour” Mark 15:25 Lukas 23:33,34 Matteus 27:35,38 Johannes 19: 17,18a]

[3b οίσετε (φέρω) “conserve” Hb16:9 “endure” Hb12:20 “reserve” 1Pt1:13 “uphold” Hb1:3]

[4 ἀνοίσει (ἀνοίγω) “lay open”, “expose”, “display”]

[5 δεκτόν (δέχομαι) LXX “accept”]

[6 “next day” (morrow) Hebrew ‘mochorath’. LXX in Leviticus 23:11b is an error. The fifteenth day of the month was “The First Day Unleavened Bread” was eaten in “That Night to be solemnly observed” Exodus 12:41,42.]

[7 “the day ye must (first) count”. ‘ἐπαύριον’ is an error.]

[8 ἀνοίσει (ἀνοίγω-ἀνά+οίγω) “open”, “reveal again”]

[9 φέρητε – Hebrew ‘nuph’ - “wave”, “shake” in contrast with “lay down an offering”]

[10 “That Day” viz., “the Selfsame BONE Day” 23:14; cf., Exodus 12:14,17; 41,42; 51.]

[11,12 ‘after the morning’; ‘of the sabbaths’ LXX errors]

[13 έπτά εβδομάδας - periods of seven LXX error]