End Times Chronology and the Rapture of the Church

keras said:

Then will restate my case: According to genealogical experts, [and simple mathematical multiplication] every person alive today would have some of Jacobs DNA.

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Humans invariably diverge in their DNA by about half a percent:

I 'package' my beliefs on what I read in the Bible.
Nowhere does the Bible say God will take Christians, or even just the true born again ones, to heaven. In fact, such an idea conflicts with Jesus' Words: No one goes to heaven, except the One who came from there. John 3:13 Plain straightforward words. Any attempt to make this mean that a rapture is still possible, is a serious error.
I am NOT willing to think; 'oh, they just made a mistake' to all who have consciously chosen to believe that God will take them away before anything nasty happens. Beliefs in wrong doctrines is a sin and those who decide to do it, will be judged for it.

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The coming of Christ includes the resurrection, aka rapture of believers:


Like you I don't believe in dying and going to heaven, although I do hold to, 'absent from the body present with the Lord' (2 Cor. 5:8). I believe heaven is coming here. My point being, to deny the resurrection is to deny the faith.

Grace and peace,
Mark

keras said:

I 'package' my beliefs on what I read in the Bible.
Nowhere does the Bible say God will take Christians, or even just the true born again ones, to heaven. In fact, such an idea conflicts with Jesus' Words: No one goes to heaven, except the One who came from there. John 3:13 Plain straightforward words. Any attempt to make this mean that a rapture is still possible, is a serious error.
I am NOT willing to think; 'oh, they just made a mistake' to all who have consciously chosen to believe that God will take them away before anything nasty happens. Beliefs in wrong doctrines is a sin and those who decide to do it, will be judged for it.

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Why would your heart be there in heaven, if that is not where you would hope to end up some day?

Matthew 6:
19 Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:
20 But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:
21 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

mark kennedy said:

That leaves one week, a seven year period that is currently suspended because Israel rejected the Messiah, starts at the opening of the first seal. The first 6 Trumpets are sounded 3 1/2 years into the 7 year tribulation:

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The scriptures say that only a "remnant" of Israel would accept the Messiah.

Rom 9:27　 Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:　


How did Peter address the crowd on the Day of Pentecost?

Act 2:14　 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:　

Act 2:22　 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:　

Act 2:36　 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.　

On that day about 3,000 Israelites accepted the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled in Hebrews 8:6-13.

All of Israel did not reject the Messiah.


Rom 9:6　 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:　
Rom 9:7　 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.　
Rom 9:8　 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.


Please do not pervert Romans 11:26, by changing the word "so", which is an adverb of manner, into the word "then", which is an adverb of timing, in an effort to make John Darby's doctrine work.

Romans 11:26 must agree with Romans 9:27.

The covenant in Romans 11:27 was fulfilled at Calvary. (Hebrews 10:16-18)

The Olive Tree is a symbol of the New Covenant Church made up of Israelites and Gentiles grafted together into one tree.
　

The only way for the branches broken off of the Olive Tree to be saved is by being grafted back into the tree, through faith in Christ. (Romans 11:23)

There is no Plan B, outside of the "everlasting" (Hebrews 13:20) New Covenant Church.


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Douggg said:

Why would your heart be there in heaven, if that is not where you would hope to end up some day?

Matthew 6:
19 Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:
20 But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:
21 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

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My reward, provided I have earned one, is also kept in heaven. Jesus will bring it with Him, when He Returns. Matthew 16:27
Scripture never says that we Christians will leave earth and live in heaven, this is a false teaching. But, eventually God will dwell with mankind, Revelation 21:1-4, therefore Heaven will once again be on earth, as it was in Adams day.

keras said:

My reward, provided I have earned one, is also kept in heaven. Jesus will bring it with Him, when He Returns. Matthew 16:27
Scripture never says that we Christians will leave earth and live in heaven, this is a false teaching. But, eventually God will dwell with mankind, Revelation 21:1-4, therefore Heaven will once again be on earth, as it was in Adams day.

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Your heart is supposed to be in heaven, not just the treasure.

21 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

Douggg said:

Your heart is supposed to be in heaven, not just the treasure.
21 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

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I kinda need my heart at present, it is ticking along quite well for a man of my age.
However my faith is in Jesus and my works are an ongoing project.
Jesus will bring our rewards/ treasures with Him when He Returns. Matthew 16:27

Douggg, why don't you really look for what God actually does plan for His people in these last days? Instead of sticking to a rapture removal, that simply is not stated anywhere.
We Christians have tasks to do here, that is our destiny and our great privilege.