New York Magazine: Donald Trump’s Race War

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Not with this attitude.

Easier to claim someone is a victim than it is to confront the history that puts you in the position you are in now.

Then, when confronted with a PIECE of that history, you throw your hands up and say it isn't a perfect world instead of recognizing your apathy, and (mis)judgements.

I am in the position I am now such as it is because of my work and effort,do you have a job ? if you do why do you have a job ? have you ever been in jail ? if not why not ? what kind of life do you have ? are you going to tell me its all by random chance and had nothing to do with any choices or decisions you have made ? so don't tell me that choices and decisions don't matter with certain people because they are victims of it all.
 
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Yeah,what are you going to do about it,everyone I know of any race that trains and prepares themselves for life has done well.....when you sit home,drink beer and smoke dope all day or hang out on the street corners you don't do so well,or when you make babies for a living you don't do so well,when you decide to be a criminal yo don't d so well.


We live in a society that tries to erase PoC and their accomplishments, and only magnify the bad. How many of these individuals, organizations, or incidents have you heard about previously?

http://abcnews.go.com/Lifestyle/chicago-student-accepted-23-black-colleges-offered-300k/


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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...ogether-addiction_us_5851b7d9e4b016e9c11872ab

https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...adddfe36cbe_story.html?utm_term=.e69e78a3f123

https://hbcubuzz.com/2016/12/57-year-old-grandmother-earns-bachelors-degree-hbcu/

http://www.theblackhomeschool.com/2...-a-0-dropout-rate-and-here-is-the-reason-why/

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/meet-brandon-dean-brighton-alabama-s-young-mayor-n679116

https://www.ioby.org/project/cleveland-youth-greenhouse

https://newpittsburghcourieronline.com/2016/09/02/9-year-old-ceo-receives-28k-in-capital/

http://blackchristiannews.com/2017/...ol-and-working-for-nasa-like-its-no-big-deal/

http://abcnews.go.com/US/grandfather-cancer-takes-uber-driving-pay-off-home/story?id=30389188

https://borgenproject.org/cancer-seeing-glasses-developed-nigerian-scientist/


https://blackyouthproject.com/detroit-king-thomas-moore-poet/

http://wunc.org/post/first-deaf-blind-student-harvard-law-pursues-dreams#stream/0

http://www.citylab.com/housing/2016...ots-of-redlining/504656/?utm_source=SFTwitter

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-37994938
 
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So failure to obey a police officer and trespassing should be legal for blacks ?


The black man killed by another black man on facebook was innocent,i suppose you think the police are doing the same thing in the same manner,when a black man gets killed in a confrontation with police his background does matter,just like it would for anyone else.

There are only two places you can be in regard to law,you are either under it or above it....do you think blacks and other minorities should be above the law ? and that the standards of proof should be higher for them ?


I'm not sure what that incident has to do with the current discussion. Stephens was a monster and no one has said otherwise to my knowledge.

So a kid running from an officer is a capital offense to be shot and killed like an animal on the spot? The cops are now judge, jury and executioner?
 
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None of them,they don't fit the agenda or the narrative.

Never heard of "Black Christian News" either


All the names on the links can be googled. You've proved my point though: You don't know, you have no interest in knowing or learning, and you are comfortable in holding on to stereotypes that allow you to not be engaged in the woes of others, because those others deserve what they get.
 
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I'm not sure what that incident has to do with the current discussion. Stephens was a monster and no one has said otherwise to my knowledge.

Have you herd about the BLM riots over it ? neither have i
So a kid running from an officer is a capital offense to be shot and killed like an animal on the spot? The cops are now judge, jury and executioner?

Kid ? its always a kid, I didnt know that,make all the excuses you want,you are either under the law or above it,you want blacks above it and the standards of proof much higher.
 
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All the names on the links can be googled. You've proved my point though: You don't know, you have no interest in knowing or learning, and you are comfortable in holding on to stereotypes that allow you to not be engaged in the woes of others, because those others deserve what they get.

I was wondering when we would reach the self righteous,high brow sanctimonious lecture portion of our exchange,thanks for keeping it short at least,some of them ramble on quite a bit but you seem content to only suggest a slight superiority in yourself.....you have a nice day up there now.
 
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Have you herd about the BLM riots over it ? neither have i


Kid ? its always a kid, I didnt know that,make all the excuses you want,you are either under the law or above it,you want blacks above it and the standards of proof much higher.


Why would they have a protest over a murderer who was brought to justice? (In a manner of speaking since he killed himself). The protests that take place are over excessive force, murders and questionable deaths by KNOWN perpetrators, state sanctioned, who are not being charged or brought to justice. Whose statements are not questioned or accepted even after video proof that they lied surfaces. And this is not new, police lying and getting away with it because they are automatically believed has been common wisdom for decades. Since BLM, any place that has been proactive in even having the APPEARANCE of justice, has had minimal if any protests.

People show out when there is no justice, not when they can see there are real consequences involved.
 
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All the names on the links can be googled. You've proved my point though: You don't know, you have no interest in knowing or learning, and you are comfortable in holding on to stereotypes that allow you to not be engaged in the woes of others, because those others deserve what they get.

100%.
 
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So failure to obey a police officer and trespassing should be legal for blacks ?
Nah, but do you believe that "blacks" are inherently more criminal than people with white skin or warrant extra scrutiny by police?

I mean, even your choice of words in calling them "the blacks" and suggesting that they are criminals speaks volumes that you're still avoiding stating explicitly.
 
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Nah, but do you believe that "blacks" are inherently more criminal than people with white skin or warrant extra scrutiny by police?
Statistically they are more criminal as a whole, be it inherent or otherwise.

I mean, even your choice of words in calling them "the blacks" and suggesting that they are criminals speaks volumes that you're still avoiding stating explicitly.
What exactly is your issue with him saying "blacks"? Not sure I understand the objection to that.
 
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I was wondering when we would reach the self righteous,high brow sanctimonious lecture portion of our exchange,thanks for keeping it short at least,some of them ramble on quite a bit but you seem content to only suggest a slight superiority in yourself.....you have a nice day up there now.

Oh, please. There was plenty of self-righteous sanctimony in your post #6, which was written before any of us leftist white-haters even joined the thread.
 
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Oh, please. There was plenty of self-righteous sanctimony in your post #6, which was written before any of us leftist white-haters even joined the thread.
Whatever liberal,go crawl on your belly and beg forgiveness for things you never did,i won't and don't have to and there is nothing you can do about it
 
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Excerpts:

The power of ethnonationalism lies in its ability to easily activate the most primitive and powerful human impulses. People do not need to follow politics closely to grasp elemental concepts like which ethnic group enjoys the support of a party or of a government. The stream of images of the president surrounded entirely by white men communicates a potent message. So, too, do the messages Trump sends when he condemns the University of California at Berkeley on free-speech grounds for failing to adequately protect a flamboyantly racist speaker, then refuses to condemn the NFL for blacklisting Colin Kaepernick, who has silently protested the national anthem. (Trump even boasted that he is enforcing the blacklist: Owners won’t sign the quarterback to a contract, he said at a rally in Kentucky, for fear that Trump will attack them on Twitter.) Everybody understands which group is in and which groups are out in Trump’s America.

That is a dangerous formula. Race has unique power to tear apart the bonds that hold together even an apparently harmonious society. In democratic India in 2002, Hindu nationalists slaughtered more than 2,000 Muslims, and Narendra Modi, the nationalist political figure linked to the murders, was elected prime minister in 2014. Serbian nationalists turned once-peaceful, multiethnic Sarajevo into a tribal bloodbath. If these comparisons sounds inconceivably dark, you may not fully appreciate the darkness of the vision animating the minds surrounding the president.


Trump’s racial obsession has likewise drawn his party closer to various strands of right-wing politics that, not long ago, had no connection to the GOP at all. The first is outright Nazism. Trump’s emergence on the national stage has activated Nazis in a way no other mainstream party leader ever has. During the campaign, Trump retweeted white-supremacist memes hyperbolically blaming African-Americans for murdering white people and using a Jewish star to illustrate the notion that Hillary Clinton was controlled by Jewish wealth.

The generous interpretation of these actions, that Trump approvingly amplified supportive messages without understanding their full nature, is probably the correct one. But this same explanation implicitly concedes that Nazis thrilled to Trump because they detected recognizable themes in his rhetoric. Trump has depicted inner cities as crime-riddled wastelands unfit for normal human existence and reflexively invoked this image as a stand-in for the African-American condition as a whole. (When criticized by Representative John Lewis, for instance, Trump charged that the former civil-rights hero should instead look after his “crime-infested” district.) His denunciations of “global special interests” that have purposely immiserated the American people closely echo anti-Semitic paranoia about international Jewish control of the economy. Voices of unapologetically white-supremacist thought, like Richard Spencer, former Ku Klux Klan leader David Duke, and the neo-Nazi website Daily Stormer treat Trump like a hero. Trump is not a Nazi, but by closing the ideological chasm between mainstream conservatism and white supremacy, he has encouraged their engagement in partisan politics.

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Trump Is Failing at Policy, But Winning His Race Wars


I've no doubt that much of what Trump says and does appeals to racists. That said...

The left in this nation has only exacerbated things by waging a war against white men, through an almost constant stream of "white privilege", "white supremacy", and "systemic/institutional racism" narratives. If the left weren't so intent on making identity politics, social justice, and anti-white sentiment their loudest message....then all of Trump's racist idiocy wouldn't make any difference, because he would only have a tiny audience willing to listen. As it stands, the left is practically tossing him new supporters every day.
 
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We beat and abused and murdered an entire race of people in this country for centuries.

Who is "we" in that statement?

And now that we've outlawed most of the bad stuff, we expect their children to flip things around inside a couple decades? Why? How? How can you expect an entire race of people to do that when so few in the majority can even manage it?

Who is saying that they expect that? I don't expect blacks and other minorities to overcome poverty in just a couple of generations...just the opposite, I would it expect it to take much longer.
 
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