New York Magazine: Donald Trump’s Race War

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No,i expect them to,you will continue to excuse their behavior which will produce more of it,they are free to express their racism and hatred without penalty,to blame others for their lives,engage in violence or just sit down relax and wait for the check so as far as I'm concerned they are quite priveledged.

You keep talking past my points and dodging my questions. What have I continued to excuse? Why do you expect them to transcend their past en masse when no other groups manages to do that or is expected to? Why do you expect them to be able to pull that off when you didn't, when I didn't, and when our billionaire president and his kids didn't? Why do you hold them to a higher standard than you hold yourself or anyone else?
 
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What are you talking about?

You tell me you are the one using it as an excuse
What are you talking about?

It means what it says,you are promised nothing and owed nothing.
We beat and abused and murdered an entire race of people in this country for centuries.

We ? who's we,are you over 150 years old,if so how are you working out your guilt at that age ? I'm always amazed at people who apparently think they are so holy that they must go back in time and assume guilt over what someone else did decades before they were born....im sure you can think of a few more recent things you might be guilty of.
 
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You keep talking past my points and dodging my questions

What points would that be ? I have no guilt over any of it if you do work it out as best you can.
Why do you expect them to transcend their past

Because I did mine and many others of different races have as well
Why do you hold them to a higher standard than you hold yourself or anyone else?

This is what happens when you make assumptions about people because they disagree with you,i have overcome many things in my life....I am responsible for me and no one else.....if you feel responsible for what people do then you carry that burden yourself while I get on with my life.
 
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Absurdity,no one has said any such thing


As is that statement,they use it in many ways to excuse violent behavior,irresponsable behavior and a what's yours is ours and what's ours is ours mindset.
All those minorities are violent and irresponsible. We ought to do something about them.
 
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All those minorities are violent and irresponsible. We ought to do something about them.

Who said "all" I didn't,but I realize that PC dictates we say nothing about it or blame it on anyone other than the individual.
 
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Because I did mine and many others of different races have as well

Did you really? I bet there are a dozen things you do that, if we're being honest, are remnants of what you experienced early in life. Maybe it's your socioeconomic status. Maybe it's your education. Maybe it's your professional interests or hobbies. Maybe it's how you relate to members of the opposite sex. Maybe it's how you manage anger or impulse control. Maybe it's how you handle money. Did you really transcend everything in your past? I don't think I've ever met anyone who has.


This is what happens when you make assumptions about people because they disagree with you,

My assumptions have nothing to do with the fact that I disagree with you.

i have overcome many things in my life....I am responsible for me and no one else.....if you feel responsible for what people do then you carry that burden yourself while I get on with my life.

I never said anything about who you or I were personally responsible for. When I say "we", I mean our society. Our society punished blacks. Our nation enslaved them. Our government pushed them into ghettos and abused them and denied them the same opportunities afforded to whites. These abuses happened openly in the recent past and continue to happen now on a smaller, less overt scale. And even though most of the individuals who committed those acts may have since died off, the organizations under which they worked still exist and the structural systemic problems they created continue to linger.

I'm not saying that you and I are personally responsible for them, but to deny them is silly.
 
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Who said "all" I didn't,but I realize that PC dictates we say nothing about it or blame it on anyone other than the individual.
This isn't about "political correctness". Politically correct language attempts to conceal offensive viewpoints. I'm doing the opposite - I'm showing you the meanings concealed in your politically correct language. You imply that minorities such as African Americans and Mexican Americans are violent and irresponsible without explicitly stating it, and when someone calls you out on it you can hide behind your politically correct language and say "Well I never said that they're all violent and irresponsible."

Seriously - just say what you mean and stop trying to perform linguistic gymnastics to be politically correct: "Black people get away with being violent and irresponsible because white people feel sorry for them."

...they use it in many ways to excuse violent behavior,irresponsable behavior and a what's yours is ours and what's ours is ours mindset.
"They" refers to minorities, such as black people.
"Use it" refers to using their race.
"Black people use their race to excuse violent behavior and irresponsible behavior."
 
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Working and paying taxes to support bums,malcontents complainers can be tough at times

The same bums, malcontents complainers spawned by the people who your grandparents and great grandparents worked hard against in the realms of employment, social, political, and psychological equality? Whose effects are still felt today?

Yea, shame on them for not recognizing you are reaping the benifits of a completely fair, balanced systems totally not set up in favor for the 73% of people in the States. Shame on them for being bums and malcontents when they are repeatedly told the LIE that their circumstances are in no part related to the racist, hateful, murderous and absolutely immorlaity of the States - and it's continual push for such imbalance in society and politics.

People forgot just how SHORT ago Americans had human zoos, BUCK BROKE men, made men breed with their sisters and mothers, tortured by dogs, killed by police (now on camera...)

And, you have the audacity to aCT like hard work and taxes - not a framework that works in favor of a certain person - is what got everyone to where they are?

Obama in office for 2 years freaked America out because they thought he would be giving special treatment to minorities... the absolute irony of it all.
 
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The same bums, malcontents complainers spawned by the people who your grandparents and great grandparents worked hard against in the realms of employment, social, political, and psychological equality? Whose effects are still felt today?

That was then,this is now....next excuse......
And, you have the audacity to aCT like hard work and taxes - not a framework that works in favor of a certain person - is what got everyone to where they are?

Yea, shame on them for not recognizing you are reaping the benifits of a completely fair, balanced systems totally not set up in favor for the 73% of people in the States. Shame on them for being bums and malcontents when they are repeatedly told the LIE that their circumstances are in no part related to the racist, hateful, murderous and absolutely immorlaity of the States - and it's continual push for such imbalance in society and politics.

Boo Hoo....next excuse
People forgot just how SHORT ago Americans had human zoos, BUCK BROKE men, made men breed with their sisters and mothers, tortured by dogs, killed by police (now on camera...)


That was then ,this is now,please do not repeat excuses.
And, you have the audacity to aCT like hard work and taxes - not a framework that works in favor of a certain person - is what got everyone to where they are?

Yeah,what are you going to do about it,everyone I know of any race that trains and prepares themselves for life has done well.....when you sit home,drink beer and smoke dope all day or hang out on the street corners you don't do so well,or when you make babies for a living you don't do so well,when you decide to be a criminal yo don't d so well.
Obama in office for 2 years freaked America out because they thought he would be giving special treatment to minorities... the absolute irony of it all.

Many of them have said he did absolutely nothing for them and they correct.
 
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You would think that after November 8th the extreme left in this country would have realized that screaming "RACIST!" at everyone you don't like isn't a productive means of discourse. Keep it up and you'll see Trump/Pence2020.

The liberal progressive narrative on race must be agreed on or else.
 
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That was then,this is now....next excuse......




Boo Hoo....next excuse



That was then ,this is now,please do not repeat excuses.


Yeah,what are you going to do about it.


Many of them have said he did absolutely nothing for them and they correct.

Nice. Thanks for proving my point.
 
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That was then,this is now....next excuse......




Boo Hoo....next excuse



That was then ,this is now,please do not repeat excuses.


Yeah,what are you going to do about it.


Many of them have said he did absolutely nothing for them and they correct.

And, it wasn't "then," it is still going on now. It is just justified, or fetishized (like cuckolding.)
 
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I never said anything about who you or I were personally responsible for. When I say "we", I mean our society. Our society punished blacks. Our nation enslaved them. Our government pushed them into ghettos and abused them and denied them the same opportunities afforded to whites. These abuses happened openly in the recent past and continue to happen now on a smaller, less overt scale. And even though most of the individuals who committed those acts may have since died off, the organizations under which they worked still exist and the structural systemic problems they created continue to linger.

I'm not saying that you and I are personally responsible for them, but to deny them is silly.

Thank you! This is what I think many people miss. Racism is systemic. You may not personally be responsible for the systems that are in place, you may not personally have ever done anything to discriminate against anyone, but you benefit from the racist systems that are in place. It's been proven that a white man with a felony is more likely to be hired than a black man with out a criminal history. Lending practices, even recently, have targeted minorities, regardless of credit worthiness. A Racial Penalty? Toyota to Pay Over $20 Million Settlement for Charging Black Customers More Interest for Car Loans - Atlanta Black Star This was 2016 not 1956. Redlining is still going on. The story related in this thread about cops camping out in Mexican area's to harass citizens and non citizens? In Baltimore this was found:

In Baltimore, a city that is 63 percent black, the Justice Department found that 91 percent of those arrested on discretionary offenses like “failure to obey” or “trespassing” were African-American. Blacks make up 60 percent of Baltimore’s drivers but account for 82 percent of traffic stops. Of the 410 pedestrians who were stopped at least 10 times in the five and a half years of data reviewed, 95 percent were black.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/11/us/baltimore-police-bias-report.html


In short, the Baltimore Police Department engaged in a pattern of stopping African-Americans without any real justification. Between 2010 and 2015, there were three hundred thousand police stops, of which less than four per cent resulted in a citation or arrest. Forty-four per cent of those stops occurred in two small, mostly black neighborhoods, and ninety-five per cent of people who were stopped ten times or more were African-American.

The Ordinary Outrage of the Baltimore Police Report

Most people don't want you to feel guilty or bad, or internalize that. We'd like you to have some compassion and be outraged at injustices that target us, and help work to dismantle the system and abusers who do use it to target and oppress. We'd like to see someone outraged when an innocent black person gets killed, instead of searching their background and using the fact they did something in the fifth grade to justify and disregard the harm done to them present day. Guilt and condemnation, doesn't serve anyone. As Christians we shouldn't be trying to pick up that mantle or place it on anyone either. I'd like to see white folks as interested in seeing that PoC get justice and fair treatment. Keep your guilt. Guilt might make some feel better (I can't be a bad person, I feel guilty about this) but I'd rather see action to stop the injustices.
 
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So what are you waiting for Ygrene,a perfect world.....ain't happening.

Not with this attitude.

Easier to claim someone is a victim than it is to confront the history that puts you in the position you are in now.

Then, when confronted with a PIECE of that history, you throw your hands up and say it isn't a perfect world instead of recognizing your apathy, and (mis)judgements.
 
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In Baltimore, a city that is 63 percent black, the Justice Department found that 91 percent of those arrested on discretionary offenses like “failure to obey” or “trespassing” were African-American.


So failure to obey a police officer and trespassing should be legal for blacks ?
We'd like to see someone outraged when an innocent black person gets killed, instead of searching their background and using the fact they did something in the fifth grade to justify and disregard the harm done to them present day.

The black man killed by another black man on facebook was innocent,i suppose you think the police are doing the same thing in the same manner,when a black man gets killed in a confrontation with police his background does matter,just like it would for anyone else.

There are only two places you can be in regard to law,you are either under it or above it....do you think blacks and other minorities should be above the law ? and that the standards of proof should be higher for them ?
 
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