Go into Galilee vs. Tarry in Jerusalem

KevinSim · Apr 18, 2017

I recently found a group of very interesting verses in the New Testament, and I was wondering what the traditional Christian way of explaining them is. They all have to do with instructions Jesus gave His apostles after He rose from the dead. Matthew 28:5-10 and Mark 16:5-7 roughly agree with each other, and both involve instructions to the apostles to go into Galilee where they will see Jesus. But Luke 24:44-51 includes instructions for the apostles to tarry in Jerusalem, until they "be endued with power from on high." The actual scriptures follow:

Matthew 28:5-10

And the angel answered and said unto the women, Fear not ye: for I know that ye seek Jesus, which was crucified.
He is not here: for he is risen, as he said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay.
And go quickly, and tell his disciples that he is risen from the dead; and, behold, he goeth before you into Galilee; there shall ye see him: lo, I have told you.
And they departed quickly from the sepulchre with fear and great joy; and did run to bring his disciples word.
And as they went to tell his disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, All hail. And they came and held him by the feet, and worshipped him.
Then said Jesus unto them, Be not afraid: go tell my brethren that they go into Galilee, and there shall they see me.

Mark 16:5-7

And entering into the sepulchre, they saw a young man sitting on the right side, clothed in a long white garment; and they were affrighted.
And he saith unto them, Be not affrighted: Ye seek Jesus of Nazareth, which was crucified: he is risen; he is not here: behold the place where they laid him.
But go your way, tell his disciples and Peter that he goeth before you into Galilee: there shall ye see him, as he said unto you.

Luke 24:44-51

And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,
And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
And ye are witnesses of these things.
And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.
And he led them out as far as Bethany, and he lifted up his hands, and blessed them.
And it came to pass, while he blessed them, he was parted from them, and carried up into heaven.

So which is it? Did Jesus tell His apostles to go to Galilee or to tarry in Jerusalem? Is there any way that both versions can be right?

gadar perets · Apr 18, 2017

KevinSim said:
I recently found a group of very interesting verses in the New Testament, and I was wondering what the traditional Christian way of explaining them is. They all have to do with instructions Jesus gave His apostles after He rose from the dead. Matthew 28:5-10 and Mark 16:5-7 roughly agree with each other, and both involve instructions to the apostles to go into Galilee where they will see Jesus. But Luke 24:44-51 includes instructions for the apostles to tarry in Jerusalem, until they "be endued with power from on high." The actual scriptures follow:

Matthew 28:5-10

And the angel answered and said unto the women, Fear not ye: for I know that ye seek Jesus, which was crucified.
He is not here: for he is risen, as he said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay.
And go quickly, and tell his disciples that he is risen from the dead; and, behold, he goeth before you into Galilee; there shall ye see him: lo, I have told you.
And they departed quickly from the sepulchre with fear and great joy; and did run to bring his disciples word.
And as they went to tell his disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, All hail. And they came and held him by the feet, and worshipped him.
Then said Jesus unto them, Be not afraid: go tell my brethren that they go into Galilee, and there shall they see me.

Mark 16:5-7

And entering into the sepulchre, they saw a young man sitting on the right side, clothed in a long white garment; and they were affrighted.
And he saith unto them, Be not affrighted: Ye seek Jesus of Nazareth, which was crucified: he is risen; he is not here: behold the place where they laid him.
But go your way, tell his disciples and Peter that he goeth before you into Galilee: there shall ye see him, as he said unto you.

Luke 24:44-51

And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,
And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
And ye are witnesses of these things.
And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.
And he led them out as far as Bethany, and he lifted up his hands, and blessed them.
And it came to pass, while he blessed them, he was parted from them, and carried up into heaven.

So which is it? Did Jesus tell His apostles to go to Galilee or to tarry in Jerusalem? Is there any way that both versions can be right?

The accounts in Matthew and Mark took place shortly after his resurrection. He wanted his disciples to meet him in Galilee. Luke's account takes place 40 days later on the day Yeshua was taken up into heaven (Acts 1:3-5; 9-11). He told them to tarry in Jerusalem until they received the outpouring of the Holy Spirit 10 days later on Shavuot. I am thinking that between Luke 24:43 & 44, there is a gap in time of 40 days. I could be wrong, but there needs to be 40 days slipped into Luke 24 somewhere.

dougangel · Apr 18, 2017

KevinSim said:
recently found a group of very interesting verses in the New Testament, and I was wondering what the traditional Christian way of explaining them is. They all have to do with instructions Jesus gave His apostles after He rose from the dead. Matthew 28:5-10 and Mark 16:5-7 roughly agree with each other, and both involve instructions to the apostles to go into Galilee where they will see Jesus. But Luke 24:44-51 includes instructions for the apostles to tarry in Jerusalem, until they "be endued with power from on high." The actual scriptures follow:

To put this simply.
Jesus tells the Disciples at Galilee to wait in Jerusalem to be endued with power on high.(the holy spirit)
Luke is the only gospel that goes in the waiting at Jerusalem in detail.
This is called complimentary accounts. Where you get extra details from each writers account.
If account said they didn't go to Galilee or Jerusalem that would be a contradiction and of course they don't say that.
Contradiction sites get this messed up all the time.

dougangel · Apr 18, 2017

gadar perets said:
The accounts in Matthew and Mark took place shortly after his resurrection. He wanted his disciples to meet him in Galilee. Luke's account takes place 40 days later on the day Yeshua was taken up into heaven (Acts 1:3-5; 9-11). He told them to tarry in Jerusalem until they received the outpouring of the Holy Spirit 10 days later on Shavuot. I am thinking that between Luke 24:43 & 44, there is a gap in time of 40 days. I could be wrong, but there needs to be 40 days slipped into Luke 24 somewhere.

Matthew 28:
16 Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them.

17 And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted.

18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Isn't that the trinity? A direct command from Christ.
To put it mildly. I would be very careful about denying the deity of Christ.

gadar perets · Apr 18, 2017

dougangel said:
Matthew 28:
16 Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them.

17 And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted.

18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Isn't that the trinity? A direct command from Christ.
To put it mildly. I would be very careful about denying the deity of Christ.

I'm not sure why you brought this up since I said nothing about denying "the deity of Christ". However, I will reply. When it says "All power is given unto me ...," it means a being greater than Yeshua (his Father, Almighty YHWH), gave it to him because the Father is the only true God (John 17:3) and has the power and authority to give it.

I have no problem believing there is a Father, a Son and a Holy Spirit. What I totally reject is the belief that the Father and Son are coequal and co-eternal or that the three comprise the one true God as per the trinity doctrine.

Also, we never see anyone in the NT baptizing in this method. Baptisms were done in the name of Yeshua only. Why is that? Why aren't we told what the "name" of the Holy Spirit is? "Name" can mean "authority" or "power" or "reputation", etc.

dougangel · Apr 18, 2017

gadar perets said:
I'm not sure why you brought this up since I said nothing about denying "the deity of Christ". However, I will reply. When it says "All power is given unto me ...," it means a being greater than Yeshua (his Father, Almighty YHWH), gave it to him because the Father is the only true God (John 17:3) and has the power and authority to give it.

I have no problem believing there is a Father, a Son and a Holy Spirit. What I totally reject is the belief that the Father and Son are coequal and co-eternal or that the three comprise the one true God as per the trinity doctrine.

Also, we never see anyone in the NT baptizing in this method. Baptisms were done in the name of Yeshua only. Why is that? Why aren't we told what the "name" of the Holy Spirit is? "Name" can mean "authority" or "power" or "reputation", etc.

Because that's something Jesus said in Galilee about the trinity and you have Non trinitarian in you title.

If I can paraphrase this to make it clearer.

Philippians 2:5-7
5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 6 Who, being in the (human)form of God, thought it not robbery(it not taking from God) to be equal with God: 7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
Reduced himself to flesh and blood where he could be physically killed.

gadar perets · Apr 18, 2017

dougangel said:
Because that's something Jesus said in Galilee about the trinity and you have Non trinitarian in you title.

If I can paraphrase this to make it clearer.

Philippians 2:5-7
5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 6 Who, being in the (human)form of God, thought it not robbery(it not taking from God) to be equal with God: 7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
Reduced himself to flesh and blood where he could be physically killed.

To begin with, what does verse 5 mean? Does it mean that we should have the same mind as Messiah Yeshua before or after his earthly birth? Paul is telling the Philippians to have the same mind as Messiah Yeshua . If Yeshua pre-existed, he certainly did not carry the name Messiah Yeshua. That name can only be applied to the historical Yeshua, not the being who supposedly pre-existed as "the Word." Yeshua did not officially become "the Anointed" or "the Messiah" until he was baptized with the Holy Spirit (Acts 10:38).

As a child, Yeshua "waxed strong in spirit, filled with wisdom: and the grace of Yahweh was upon him" (Luke 2:40). Even at that time Yeshua knew who he was, knew who his Father was (Luke 2:49), and knew what he had to do. By the time of his baptism he was so filled with wisdom, knowledge, Spirit, and power that Paul says he was "in the form (or likeness) of God." God does not have a human form. He is spirit. Also, verse 6 does not say he "was God." Even though Yeshua was so filled with wisdom, knowledge, and power, he did not allow those things to corrupt him. Nor did he, for one moment, consider himself Yahweh's equal. He knew his Father was greater than himself (John 10:29; 13:16; 14:28). The RSV and many other versions correctly translate Philippians 2:6 as follows; "Who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped."

Yeshua did not strip himself of any pre-existant power or glory. He simply humbled himself and made himself of no reputation even though he was far more knowledgeable and powerful than any of his contemporaries. Instead of glorifying himself and expecting others to serve him, he chose to become a servant. He became like most men, common and unassuming as compared to the politically powerful and famous.

In addition to not exalting himself in the eyes of man, he further humbled himself by becoming totally obedient to the laws and will of His Father Yahweh. As a reward for his obedience, Yahweh has highly exalted him. A future exaltation will be the reward of all true believers if they, too, will humble themselves as Yeshua did.

dougangel · Apr 19, 2017

gadar perets said:
To begin with, what does verse 5 mean? Does it mean that we should have the same mind as Messiah Yeshua before or after his earthly birth? Paul is telling the Philippians to have the same mind as Messiah Yeshua . If Yeshua pre-existed, he certainly did not carry the name Messiah Yeshua. That name can only be applied to the historical Yeshua, not the being who supposedly pre-existed as "the Word." Yeshua did not officially become "the Anointed" or "the Messiah" until he was baptized with the Holy Spirit (Acts 10:38).

As a child, Yeshua "waxed strong in spirit, filled with wisdom: and the grace of Yahweh was upon him" (Luke 2:40). Even at that time Yeshua knew who he was, knew who his Father was (Luke 2:49), and knew what he had to do. By the time of his baptism he was so filled with wisdom, knowledge, Spirit, and power that Paul says he was "in the form (or likeness) of God." God does not have a human form. He is spirit. Also, verse 6 does not say he "was God." Even though Yeshua was so filled with wisdom, knowledge, and power, he did not allow those things to corrupt him. Nor did he, for one moment, consider himself Yahweh's equal. He knew his Father was greater than himself (John 10:29; 13:16; 14:28). The RSV and many other versions correctly translate Philippians 2:6 as follows; "Who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped."

Yeshua did not strip himself of any pre-existant power or glory. He simply humbled himself and made himself of no reputation even though he was far more knowledgeable and powerful than any of his contemporaries. Instead of glorifying himself and expecting others to serve him, he chose to become a servant. He became like most men, common and unassuming as compared to the politically powerful and famous.

In addition to not exalting himself in the eyes of man, he further humbled himself by becoming totally obedient to the laws and will of His Father Yahweh. As a reward for his obedience, Yahweh has highly exalted him. A future exaltation will be the reward of all true believers if they, too, will humble themselves as Yeshua did.

gadar perets · Apr 19, 2017

dougangel said:
1 Corinthians 8:6
Chapter Parallel Compare
6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.

2 Corinthians 3:17
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17 Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.

2 Corinthians 13:14
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14 May the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all.

Colossians 2:9
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9 For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form,

Isaiah 9:6
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6 For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

Isaiah 44:6
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6 “This is what the LORD says— Israel’s King and Redeemer, the LORD Almighty: I am the first and I am the last; apart from me there is no God.

John 1:14
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14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

John 10:30
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30 I and the Father are one.”

Luke 1:35
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35 The angel answered, “The Holy Spirit will come on you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God.

Matthew 1:23
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23 “The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel” (which means “God with us”).

Matthew 28:19
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19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

Matthew 3:16-17
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16 As soon as Jesus was baptized, he went up out of the water. At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting on him. 17 And a voice from heaven said, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.”

John 14:16-17
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16 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you.

Romans 14:17-18
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17 For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking, but of righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit, 18 because anyone who serves Christ in this way is pleasing to God and receives human approval.

Luke 3:21-22
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21 When all the people were being baptized, Jesus was baptized too. And as he was praying, heaven was opened 22 and the Holy Spirit descended on him in bodily form like a dove. And a voice came from heaven: “You are my Son, whom I love; with you I am well pleased.”

Genesis 1:1-2
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1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.

1 John 5:7-8
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7 For there are three that testify: 8 the Spirit, the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement.

1 Peter 1:1-2
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1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, To God’s elect, exiles scattered throughout the provinces of Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia and Bithynia, 2 who have been chosen according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through the sanctifying work of the Spirit, to be obedient to Jesus Christ and sprinkled with his blood: Grace and peace be yours in abundance.

2 Corinthians 1:21-22
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21 Now it is God who makes both us and you stand firm in Christ. He anointed us, 22 set his seal of ownership on us, and put his Spirit in our hearts as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come.

1 Corinthians 12:4-6
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4 There are different kinds of gifts, but the same Spirit distributes them. 5 There are different kinds of service, but the same Lord. 6 There are different kinds of working, but in all of them and in everyone it is the same God at work.

Ephesians 4:4-6
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4 There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to one hope when you were called; 5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism; 6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.

Colossians 1:15-17
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15 The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. 17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.

John 14:9-11
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9 Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? 10 Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you I do not speak on my own authority. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work. 11 Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the works themselves.

John 10:30-36
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30 I and the Father are one.” 31 Again his Jewish opponents picked up stones to stone him, 32 but Jesus said to them, “I have shown you many good works from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?” 33 “We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.” 34 Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are “gods” ’? 35 If he called them ‘gods,’ to whom the word of God came—and Scripture cannot be set aside— 36 what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’?

Posting all your proof texts at once is not beneficial to a fruitful discussion. If you would like to continue, choose one or two verses and I'll be glad to share my understanding as a strict monotheist and non-trinitarian. Or, I can just go down the list and address a few at a time. Let me know what you prefer.

dougangel · Apr 19, 2017

gadar perets said:
Posting all your proof texts at once is not beneficial to a fruitful discussion. If you would like to continue, choose one or two verses and I'll be glad to share my understanding as a strict monotheist and non-trinitarian. Or, I can just go down the list and address a few at a time. Let me know what you prefer.

There not all the proof texts. They are some. But if that won't convince you after reading them. I don't think I really want to waste my time and effort.

gadar perets · Apr 20, 2017

dougangel said:
There not all the proof texts. They are some. But if that won't convince you after reading them. I don't think I really want to waste my time and effort.

I believe all those verses already. I just don't purposely read the trinity doctrine into them. Not one of those verses says anything about the Father, Son and Holy Spirit being co-equal and co-eternal. You said you were a trinitarian, but the verses you quoted would suggest your a oneness proponent. The trinity doctrine says the Father is NOT the Son, The Son is NOT the Holy Spirit, and the Holy Spirit is Not the Father.

Why, then, would you quote John 14:9-11 and 2 Corinthians 3:17 if not to teach me the Son IS both the Father and the Holy Spirit?

Moral Orel · Apr 21, 2017

Weird. A thread in the Apologetics section that has only Christian posters... You guys know you're not supposed to argue amongst yourselves here, right? You're supposed to present a unified front (as per the statement of purpose for the sub-forum anyways).

gadar perets · Apr 22, 2017

Nicholas Deka said:
Weird. A thread in the Apologetics section that has only Christian posters... You guys know you're not supposed to argue amongst yourselves here, right? You're supposed to present a unified front (as per the statement of purpose for the sub-forum anyways).

I am not a Christian. I am a Hebrew who believes in Messiah Yeshua and keeps Torah as best as I can.

mark kennedy · May 3, 2017

KevinSim said:
I recently found a group of very interesting verses in the New Testament, and I was wondering what the traditional Christian way of explaining them is. They all have to do with instructions Jesus gave His apostles after He rose from the dead. Matthew 28:5-10 and Mark 16:5-7 roughly agree with each other, and both involve instructions to the apostles to go into Galilee where they will see Jesus. But Luke 24:44-51 includes instructions for the apostles to tarry in Jerusalem, until they "be endued with power from on high." The actual scriptures follow:

Matthew 28:5-10

And the angel answered and said unto the women, Fear not ye: for I know that ye seek Jesus, which was crucified.
He is not here: for he is risen, as he said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay.
And go quickly, and tell his disciples that he is risen from the dead; and, behold, he goeth before you into Galilee; there shall ye see him: lo, I have told you.
And they departed quickly from the sepulchre with fear and great joy; and did run to bring his disciples word.
And as they went to tell his disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, All hail. And they came and held him by the feet, and worshipped him.
Then said Jesus unto them, Be not afraid: go tell my brethren that they go into Galilee, and there shall they see me.

Mark 16:5-7

And entering into the sepulchre, they saw a young man sitting on the right side, clothed in a long white garment; and they were affrighted.
And he saith unto them, Be not affrighted: Ye seek Jesus of Nazareth, which was crucified: he is risen; he is not here: behold the place where they laid him.
But go your way, tell his disciples and Peter that he goeth before you into Galilee: there shall ye see him, as he said unto you.

Luke 24:44-51

And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,
And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
And ye are witnesses of these things.
And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.
And he led them out as far as Bethany, and he lifted up his hands, and blessed them.
And it came to pass, while he blessed them, he was parted from them, and carried up into heaven.

So which is it? Did Jesus tell His apostles to go to Galilee or to tarry in Jerusalem? Is there any way that both versions can be right?

The term 'tarry' can mean to take up residence or to sit down as a ruler or a judge. Tarry, ‘kathizo’, is used to speak of Christ who will, "set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens" (Heb. 8:1; 12:2). The promised seed of David, ‘he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne’ (Acts 2:30). Used throughout the New Testament to speak of Christ taking his rightful place as king of kings (Rev 3:21). It can mean to simply sit down, (Matt. 5:1; 13:48), or to speak of Christ, the ‘Son of Man’, who will ‘sit’ (G2523 kathizo), 'in the throne of his glory’, ye also shall ‘sit’ (G2523 kathizo) upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. (Matt. 19:28). It speaks of who will ’sit’ at Christ’s right and left hand in the kingdom (Matt. 20:21, 23). Of the Pharisees that, ‘sit in Moses seat’ (Matt. 23:2). Luke also uses it in this way in the immediate context leading up to the ascension. “That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit (G2523 kathizo), on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel” (Luke 22:30). They were not to return to their homes in Galilee but to take up residence in Jerusalem as the founding Apostles of the Church of God in Christ.

Tarry - G2523 matches the Greek καθίζω kathizō. (Lexicon :: Strong's G2523 kathizō. Blue Letter Bible)

Dwell, Dwellers, Dwelling (Place):
"to sit down," denotes "to dwell," in Act 18:11 (RV, "dwelt," for AV, "continued").
Set: used transitively, signifies "to cause to sit down, set, appoint," translated "to set" in Act 2:30, RV (AV, incorrectly, "to set"); in 1Cr 6:4, of appointing, i.e., obtaining the services of, judges in lawcourts; in Eph 1:20, RV, "made (Him) to sit" (AV, "set").
Note: In Hbr 8:1, kathizo is used intransitively, RV, "sat down" (AV, "is set"); so in Hbr 12:2, RV, "hath sat down" (AV, "is set down"); Rev 3:21, RV, "I... sat down" (AV, "am set down"). So epikathizo in Mat 21:7 (last part), RV, "He sat" [some mss. have the plural in a transitive sense, AV, "they set (Him)]."
See SIT, No. 8.
Sit: is used
(a) transitively, "to make sit down," Act 2:30 (see also SET, No. 9);
(b) intransitively, "to sit down," e.g., Mat 5:1, RV, "when (He) had sat down" (AV, "was set"); Mat 19:28; 20:21, 23; 23:2; 25:31; 26:36; Mar 11:2, 7; 12:41; Luk 14:28, 31; 16:6; Jhn 19:13; Act 2:3 (of the tongues of fire); Act 8:31; 1Cr 10:7; 2Th 2:4, "he sitteth," aorist tense, i.e., "he takes his seat" (as, e.g., in Mar 16:19); Rev 3:21 (twice), RV, "to sit down" and "sat down;" Rev 20:4. (Vine’s Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words. Vine)

mark kennedy · May 3, 2017

Nicholas Deka said:
Weird. A thread in the Apologetics section that has only Christian posters... You guys know you're not supposed to argue amongst yourselves here, right? You're supposed to present a unified front (as per the statement of purpose for the sub-forum anyways).

I don't see why not, I see no issue with bringing out honest questions with regards to apparent contradictions. When I was in Bible College they were obsessed with them.

Go into Galilee vs. Tarry in Jerusalem

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Messianic Hebrew

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Messianic Hebrew

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Messianic Hebrew

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Messianic Hebrew

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Messianic Hebrew

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