I think I am still a Pagan Christian

section9+1 said:

I could go into a church and in 20 minutes get enough information to make a valid choice for Christ. After 164 posts she's still stumbling around with paganism. Don't make God so tolerant you turn him into a product of your own imaginations.

Click to expand...

Strivax said:

... I came to believe of my own accord, later in life, when I was ready. So if, after 12 years of determined effort on an impressionable child, the British public school system could still leave me an atheist, I think we can allow Bluerose31 considerably more latitude than a mere couple of hundred posts.

Click to expand...

section9+1 said:

Strivax
I didn't say you could. I said I could...

Click to expand...

Strivax said:

I'm not so sure about this. As a child, I went to boarding schools from age 6 to 18. All of them were low-key Christian establishments, and in all of them there were daily Christian assemblies, and more extravagant worships on Sundays. And in class, there was RE, religious education lessons, focussing on the Christian tradition. And yet, though they inculcated within me a good deal of Christian attitude and ethic, for which I am grateful now (though I resented it then), they never actually succeeded persuading me of the existence of God, because they never actually addressed this question, just assumed it to be so. I came to believe of my own accord, later in life, when I was ready. So if, after 12 years of determined effort on an impressionable child, the British public school system could still leave me an atheist, I think we can allow Bluerose31 considerably more latitude than a mere couple of hundred posts.

Best wishes, Strivax.

Click to expand...

miknik5 said:

Who is "we"?

"We" can't

What does belial to do with CHRIST

As one poster said:
"You can't share two tables"

Click to expand...

Strivax said:

There are few religious movements without something good about them. That is how they become popular. And people have different ethical priorities, and are attracted to different faiths according to the match between those priorities and the religion concerned. I, for one, am hugely impressed by the respect for the natural environment of neo-paganism, and hope Christianity will eventually learn from it. Anyway, whatever is good is of God, irrespective of the religious framework we use to explain, develop and venerate that goodness.

However, for anyone undergoing a 'paradigm shift' in their understanding of the world, there will be issues arising out the dissonance between their previous and new beliefs. And these may take time and patience to resolve. But the best approach by far for Christians seeking to help people new to the faith and with issues to resolve is to help, by understanding where they are at, and smoothing the way towards where they need to get to. This should not involve disparaging unsympathetically their previous world-view, simply contrasting it with a better way. And so allowing the new Christian to realise the width and depth of love between God and humanity, and humanity and God, and human and human, for themselves, and be persuaded of their own accord by the impact of that realisation.

Best wishes, Strivax.

Click to expand...

miknik5 said:

The WAY and THE TRUTH and THE LIFE is through and ONLY through CHRIST JESUS

Click to expand...

jimmyjimmy said:

Amen!

In a "Christians only" sub-forum you shouldn't have to defend the above position.

Click to expand...

Bluerose31 said:

I think I am still a Pagan Christian but I worship a goddess who is not associated with bad things now. The goddess helps me feel better because of my rape. I think it is called Christopaganism. I have read some books on it. I feel it fits me well.

Click to expand...

miknik5 said:

My theology is correct
My behavior may not be

Your behavior may be correct
But your theology isn't


We aren't looking to the women of the Bible for salvation

They were only stories to point us to THE ONE AND ONLY through whom we have salvation

Click to expand...

miknik5 said:

Who is "we"?

Click to expand...

LaSorcia said:

I didn't say that. Don't extrapolate from what I did say.

Click to expand...

LaSorcia said:

Well, we should only worship God, but it is definitely nice to find a church that acknowledges that God has made both male and female in God's image and that both are good and valued. And that both play a role in salvation.

Look up Jephthah's daughter and Queen Esther's stories. They are just as much prophecies of God's salvation as the ones related to Jesus specifically.

Click to expand...

ImaginaryDay said:

*Raises hand

Click to expand...

LaSorcia said:

I didn't say that. Don't extrapolate from what I did say.

Click to expand...

LaSorcia said:

Isn't is amazing mercy that "Christ died for us while we were still sinners?" He didn't wait until we had all of our behaviour and theology correct!

Click to expand...

jimmyjimmy said:

The Nicene Creed
We believe in (Romans 10:8-10; 1John 4:15)
ONE God, (Deuteronomy 6:4, Ephesians 4:6)
the Father (Matthew 6:9)
Almighty, (Exodus 6:3)
Maker of Heaven and Earth, (Genesis 1:1)
and of all things visible and invisible. (Colossians 1:15-16)
And in ONE Lord Jesus Christ, (Acts 11:17)
the Son of God, (Mathew 14:33; 16:16)
the Only-Begotten, (John 1:18; 3:16)
Begotten of the Father before all ages. (John 1:2)
Light of Light; (Psalm 27:1; John 8:12; Matthew 17:2,5)
True God of True God; (John 17:1-5)
Begotten, not made; (John 1:18)
of one essence with the Father (John 10:30)
by whom all things were made; (Hebrews 1:1-2)
Who for us men and for our salvation (1Timothy 2:4-5)
came down from Heaven, (John 6:33,35)
and was incarnate of the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary, (Luke 1:35)
and became man. (John 1:14)
And was crucified for us (Mark 15:25; 1Cointhians 15:3)
under Pontius Pilate, (John 19:6)
and suffered, (Mark 8:31)
and was buried. (Luke 23:53; 1Corinthians 15:4)
And the third day He rose again, according to the Scriptures. (Luke 24:1 1Corinthians 15:4)
And ascended into Heaven, (Luke 24:51; Acts 1:10)
and sits at the right hand of the Father. (Mark 16:19; Acts 7:55)
And He shall come again with glory (Matthew 24:27)
to judge the living and the dead; (Acts 10:42; 2Timothy 4:1)
whose Kingdom shall have no end. (2 Peter 1:11)
And in the Holy Spirit, (John 14:26)
the Lord, (Acts 5:3-4)
the Giver of Life, (Genesis 1:2)
Who proceeds from the Father; (John 15:26)
Who with the Father and the Son together is worshipped and glorified; (Matthew 3:16-17)
Who spoke through the prophets. (1 Samuel 19:20 ; Ezekiel 11:5,13) In one, (Matthew 16: 18)
holy, (1 Peter 2:5,9)
catholic*, (Mark 16:15)
and apostolic Church. (Acts 2:42; Ephesians 2:19-22)
I acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins**. (Ephesians 4:5; Acts 2:38)
I look for the resurrection of the dead, (John 11:24; 1Corinthians 15:12-49; Hebrews 6:2; Revelation 20:5)
and the life of the world to come. (Mark 10:29-30)
AMEN. (Psalm 106:48)

Click to expand...

Paidiske said:

Don't all Old Testament instances of deliverance point us towards our ultimate deliverance in Christ, by highlighting the One who delivers?

Click to expand...