The Book of Revelation

Re; the word generation. We all know that this cannot be quantified amongst a small group, let alone a nation. Families are all at different stages.
What IS meant by Jesus in Matthew 24:34, is those alive when the fig tree comes to life.
We know the Fig is used as a metaphor for Judah, the Jews. Jeremiah 24:5-7, Habakkuk 3:17 +
So when the Jewish State of Israel was declared in May 1948, all those born on or after that date, provided they live their normal lifetime, they will live to see it all. 'It' being the commencement of the prophesied things to happen before Jesus Returns.
A lifetime of those alive, also prophesied by Ezekiel 12:25 Just as we see today, as the 70th anniversary approaches, with the Middle East situation at a critical stage.

Riberra said:

Then ,no removal for the believers at the angenda.

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Does not change that the rapture will take place.

Douggg said:

Does not change that the rapture will take place.

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UNTO THE COMING OF JESUS, NOT BEFORE...

1 Thessalonians 4:15
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain UNTO THE COMING OF THE LORD shall not prevent them which are asleep.

Riberra said:

UNTO THE COMING OF JESUS, NOT BEFORE...

1 Thessalonians 4:15
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain UNTO THE COMING OF THE LORD shall not prevent them which are asleep.

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You are making the mistake of equating the Rapture with the Second Coming, instead of Jesus coming to take the believers out of the world.

Douggg said:

You are making the mistake of equating the Rapture with the Second Coming, instead of Jesus coming to take the believers out of the world.

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This is what makes a huge joke of the rapture believers.
They cannot come to any consensus of when their precious idea will happen. And anyone who says they believe in an anytime rapture, is the top comedian.

Why not believe Jesus' plain Words? John 3:13 + + And believe what the prophets constantly reiterate, how the Lord will gather His sheep into all of the holy Land and bless them greatly. Ezekiel 34:11-31, Isaiah 40:10-11, +

keras said:

This is what makes a huge joke of the rapture believers.
They cannot come to any consensus of when their precious idea will happen. And anyone who says they believe in an anytime rapture, is the top comedian.

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That's not a biblical argument. Really it is just name calling.

The anytime rapture view is more broad than the pre-trib (pre-70th week) rapture view.

John 3:13 has to be taken in context that Jesus was saying to Nicodemus that no man has ascended to heaven and returned to tell what goes on there. And that He - Jesus - was in heaven before entering into this world as the Son of Man. So He was speaking by that authority when explaining to Nicodemus that a man must be born again to enter the Kingdom of God.

Douggg said:

You are making the mistake of equating the Rapture with the Second Coming, instead of Jesus coming to take the believers out of the world.

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The caught up/gathering together[Rapture ]1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 to meet Jesus in the AIR is TIED to the COMING of Jesus in the Clouds.... which refers to the Coming of Jesus in the CLOUDS mentioned in Matthew 24:29-31.

The 3 basic aspects of the gathering are there :
1)-Jesus Coming in the Clouds
2)-The SOUND of A Trump /announcing the gathering/...
3)-The GATHERING

1 Thessalonians 4:16-17
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Matthew 24:29-31
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

The gathering of the elects is about the resurrected believers and the believers still alive and remain [survivors believers] UNTO the COMING OF JESUS 1 Thessalonians 4:15

1 Thessalonians 4:15
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are ALIVE AND REMAIN UNTO the COMING of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

Douggg said:

That's not a biblical argument. Really it is just name calling.

The anytime rapture view is more broad than the pre-trib (pre-70th week) rapture view.

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Sorry if any offence was made.

But WHY?
Why must you and millions of other rapture believers think they will be taken out of where we humans live and become spiritual beings in heaven? When such an incredible thing is never stated in the Bible. And when the Bible prophets do, in many prophesies tell us what God does plan for His people.

Douggg said:

John 3:13 has to be taken in context that Jesus was saying to Nicodemus that no man has ascended to heaven and returned to tell what goes on there. And that He - Jesus - was in heaven before entering into this world as the Son of Man. So He was speaking by that authority when explaining to Nicodemus that a man must be born again to enter the Kingdom of God.

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I have seen before, this pathetic excuse to wriggle out of a plain statement by Jesus. He didn't feel the need to explain it to Nicodemus like that.
Anyway, we must explain scripture by other scriptures and looking at John 7:34, John 8:21-23, John 17:15, plus many others that say we have work to do on earth and how God will bless His people in the holy Land, then the idea of a rapture to heaven, is seen to be false.

keras said:

But WHY?
Why must you and millions of other rapture believers think they will be taken out of where we humans live and become spiritual beings in heaven? When such an incredible thing is never stated in the Bible. And when the Bible prophets do, in many prophesies tell us what God does plan for His people.

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Why? Because Lord Jesus said He was going to prepare a place for us in Our Father's house Keras. Surly you have read this. Yes the scripture also tells us that we shall be changed, this mortal shall take on immortality. We will be like Lord Jesus upon our resurrection.

keras said:

Sorry if any offence was made.

But WHY?
Why must you and millions of other rapture believers think they will be taken out of where we humans live and become spiritual beings in heaven? When such an incredible thing is never stated in the Bible. And when the Bible prophets do, in many prophesies tell us what God does plan for His people.

I have seen before, this pathetic excuse to wriggle out of a plain statement by Jesus. He didn't feel the need to explain it to Nicodemus like that.
Anyway, we must explain scripture by other scriptures and looking at John 7:34, John 8:21-23, John 17:15, plus many others that say we have work to do on earth and how God will bless His people in the holy Land, then the idea of a rapture to heaven, is seen to be false.

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Since God came from heaven into this world and took on flesh, to be treated horribly, suffer, and die for us - then whatever it is that He did those things for us - MUST BE REALLY REALLY GOOD - and it is not in these current bodies we have. No Christians has experience the resurrected immortal body yet - so I say TRUST GOD that he knows what He is doing. There is a 100% certainty that the body you currently have is going to end.
And when you think about it, the reality is it is not that far away.

Yes the scripture also tells us that we shall be changed, this mortal shall take on immortality.We will be like Lord Jesus upon our resurrection.
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Angels are immortal but they are no god .... Jesus is GOD !

The changing into immortality will provide us with immortality but that will not make us angels .

"We will enter in the club of the immortals"....here on the Earth with Jesus !

No trip to Heaven after the resurrection /changing into immortality is mentioned in the whole
1 Corinthians 15 chapter....

Riberra said:

The changing into immortality will provide us with immortality but that will not make us angels .

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No. We will not be angels for we are sons/daughters of God, Just as Jesus is Son of God

Riberra said:

Angels are immortal but they are no god .... Jesus is GOD !

The changing into immortality will provide us with immortality but that will not make us angels .

"We will enter in the club of the immortals"....here on the Earth with Jesus !

No trip to Heaven after the resurrection /changing into immortality is mentioned in the whole
1 Corinthians 15 chapter....

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Returning with Jesus from heaven. Then a thousand years later, this present earth and everything in is going to be destroyed. Where are you going to be then, while the Great White Throne judgement is taking place?

Handmaid for Jesus said:

No. We will not be angels for we are sons/daughters of God, Just as Jesus is Son of God

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We will be immortal ...

Douggg said:

Returning with Jesus from heaven. Then a thousand years later, this present earth and everything in is going to be destroyed.

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Those changed into immortality will reign with Jesus on the EARTH during the Millennium no trip to Heaven ...Revelation 20:4-6

Riberra said:

Those changed into immortality will reign with Jesus on the EARTH during the Millennium no trip to Heaven ...Revelation 20:4-6

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my question to you was - where will you be when this present earth is destroyed and the Great White Throne Judgement is taking place?

Matthew 6:20 But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:

21 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

Douggg said:

my question to you was - where will you be when this present earth is destroyed and the Great Whtie Throne Judgement is taking place?

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At the same place than you....as believers -whose names are written in the Book of Life of The Lamb Revelation 20:11-12 - we will receive immortality !

When this present Earth will be destroyed it will be replaced by a New Earth where we [those saved]will live eternally with God Revelation 21 Revelation 22.

Riberra said:

At the same place than you....as believers -whose names are written in the Book of Life of The Lamb Revelation 20:11-12 - we will receive immortality !

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What? You don't think you are going to enter the thousand years in your incorruptible body?

When this present Earth will be destroyed it will be replaced by a New Earth where we [those saved]will live eternally with God Revelation 21 Revelation 22.

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No, I am talking about the time when the Great White Throne judgment is taking place - which is before the new earth. For some reason, you have it in your mind that you are restricted to earth, in your incorruptible body for eternity.

Douggg said:

What? You don't think you are going to enter the thousand years in your incorruptible body?

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Read carefully who are those that will enter the millennium in their incorruptible body ...Revelation 20:4-6

Douggg said:

No, I am talking about the time when the Great White Throne judgment is taking place - which is before the new earth. For some reason, you have it in your mind that you are restricted to earth, in your incorruptible body for eternity.

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That is exactly what Revelation 20:4-6 --Revelation 21:1-5, Revelation 21:27--Revelation 22 tell us .

Riberra said:

Read carefully who are those that will enter the millennium in their incorruptible body ...Revelation 20:4-6


That is exactly what Revelation 20:4-6 --Revelation 21:1-5, Revelation 21:27--Revelation 22 tell us .

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Do you have a place in the New Jerusalem which is in heaven?

What I am saying is that while the Great White Throne judgment is going on, this current earth destroyed, Christians who have received their incorruptible bodies a thousand years earlier will be in their place in the New Jerusalem, that Jesus has been preparing for us.