White People Banned from Black Lives Matter Meetings in Philadelphia

CaDan said:

Yeah, pretty much. I didn't have much to do with the Fourth Precinct action. Worked on the defense of the folks who closed I-94, but that wasn't much.





I wouldn't know precisely since I wasn't there. But I doubt they're getting deep into CRT. Even if the folks I know were heavily into Theory, they're more influenced by anti-blackness scholarship. CRT is kind of old-fashioned stuff.





Ceteris paribus, I would agree. But the world is kind of messed up in deep and difficult ways.

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Serious question. What was the defense for the people who shut down the interstate?

bhsmte said:

Serious question. What was the defense for the people who shut down the interstate?

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Not much for that action.

We settled them all at the first appearance because the prosecutor who usually handles protest cases was out sick or something and we got a sub who offered plea deals that were too good to turn down.

CaDan said:

Not much for that action.

We settled them all at the first appearance because the prosecutor who usually handles protest cases was out sick or something and we got a sub who offered plea deals that were too good to turn down.

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It is illegal then to shut down a roadway and prevent cars from utilizing it?

bhsmte said:

It is illegal then to shut down a roadway and prevent cars from utilizing it?

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I can't speak for everywhere. In my state it's usually charged as misdemeanor trespass. Sometimes there are other charges tacked on as well.

SolomonVII said:

If I am a restaurant owner, and Joe Schmoo down the street is turning away 10 percent of the business because of the size of their feet, or the flare of their nostrils, that is good news for me. That is not only ten percent that he doesn't have, but maybe sixty of seventy percent of the rest that think that people who have flared nostrils and big feet are the coolest people that they have ever would want to meet, and they want to be sharing a drink at the bar with.
If a league wants to discriminate against black basketball players, that is nothing but good news for my own league. People pay premium prices for the best, and all of a sudden, the best is mine, without competition.

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You know if you really wanted to, you could get a bunch of like minded folks together, and create an entire district or area dedicated to helping and serving each other. Maybe even an entire city. People can leave you alone and you can go about your own business in peace.


Google "Black Wall Street" and see how well that turned out.


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CaDan said:

I can't speak for everywhere. In my state it's usually charged as misdemeanor trespass. Sometimes there are other charges tacked on as well.

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Ok, thanks.

Let me ask a hypothetical. Lets say an ambulance was trying to get through with a patient that needed urgent medical attention, on a road that was blocked with protesters and they refused to move? What could the police do in this circumstance and if the delay caused the patient to die, could protesters be sued or held criminally liable?

bhsmte said:

Ok, thanks.

Let me ask a hypothetical. Lets say an ambulance was trying to get through with a patient that needed urgent medical attention, on a road that was blocked with protesters and they refused to move? What could the police do in this circumstance and if the delay caused the patient to die, could protesters be sued or held criminally liable?

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My wife worked as an EMT for a while and has told me ambulance drivers are secretly maniacs who will not hesitate to cruise on the shoulder if they have to. In addition, with modern GPS and radio, they are able to pick routes to avoid trouble.

But, if those don't work, a well-trained and organized police force is able to move a group of people pretty quickly. Unfortunately, from my observation of several protests, crowd control does not seem to be something most police forces are well-trained in. They end up kind of dilly-dallying around.

I haven't researched the issue, but I kind of suspect civil liability would be hard to pin on any individual protester. There are not likely to be many decided cases on the issue because protesters don't tend to have enough money to be worth suing.

I've never seen a criminal prosecution where the charge was increased due to someone having medical issues. I have seen prosecutors try to juice up a trespass charge by saying that someone on a bus was having a medical "incident", but the facts of that were pretty sketchy, so I can't draw good conclusions.

Also, they are a danger to themselves and others when they decide to try that nonsense at night.

Rion said:

Also, they are a danger to themselves and others when they decide to try that nonsense at night.

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Depends on how well-planned the action is.

CaDan said:

Depends on how well-planned the action is.

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With how many times I have seen articles about some bright spot getting hit during the ones at night, I am guessing that they usually aren't well-planned.

Rion said:

Sure thing.


Mmm…
Hmmmmm…

Oh-hoh! Looks like @TerranceL knows what racism is already. My task is done.

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YAY I KNOW A THING.

super animator said:

Come on man, do you really think that he thinks that you have friends there?

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Apparently.

Rion said:

You said "of course " like everyone accepts that as fact.

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No. I was pointing out the absurdity of it. To say that only white people are racist, or that people are only racist towards other races is itself inherently racist. I said "of course" because it is demonstrated in the text itself.

I went on to say in the very same post that not everyone is aware of it. Try reading right through to the end.

Or perhaps English is not your first language?

Perhaps English is not your first language? "You might want to tell X that " is a colloquialism, and it is not meant to be taken literally.

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Funny, 'cause when I used the same language back at you, you took it literally. Remember? Those guys aren't your friends?

Hank77 said:

Could they make it before there were laws to protect minorities against discrimination in housing, banking, jobs, etc.?

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I am not a believer in a perfect world Hank, where everything is fair. My only point would be that freedom gives Americans opportunities that do not exist everywhere.
Everybody in the world suffers and everybody in the world has grievances.

I personally don't think that justifying present discrimination on past injustices is the best policy.
Blacks in America have plenty of reason to burn all bridges to whites. If you want me to agree with you that you are justified in believing that BLM is likewise justified in burning those bridges, then I will agree that they are.
East is east and west is west, black is black and white is white.

Yes, blacks are justified in segregating themselves from whites.
Is that what you really want though?

JGG said:

Perhaps while I'm doing that, you could teach your friends in this thread what racism is?

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There is no such thing as racism. This word is the canard of the weak.

777Sloan said:

I see; now then, is the reverse true?

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It is not something I would ever do. I don't really think that segregation is a very good model to follow, and repealing Jim Crow laws and stepping back from Jim Crow attitudes is a major victory for American society as a whole.
Be that as it may, freedom is precious, and if private groups still want to segregate themselves according to skin tone, such as BLM does, or the Aryan Nation does for that matter, that is their prerogative.
But, once the argument goes to how much the group has suffered, the suffering is real enough. Suffering justifies people in our societies, and to argue against their will to segregate turns into negating the truth of their suffering. One can only acknowledge their suffering, and carry on to live our separate lives, as that is their choice, and not mine.

SolomonVII said:

I personally don't think that justifying present discrimination on past injustices is the best policy.

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I agree. I don't think that it is health for anyone or our country.

SolomonVII said:

Yes, blacks are justified in segregating themselves from whites.
Is that what you really want though?

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I think you misunderstood me all along. The statement that at the ST Paul BLM they felt they would be physically safer if they only allowed blacks is what I have been referring to. I can understand that position.
However, segregation for the sake of segregation is bad news for all of us.

I'm mixed with black and white, and I experienced racism from both sides.

I also know that there are decent people on both sides.

BLM is a black version of the KKK.

It makes no sense to try to fight racism with racism.

LivingWordUnity said:

I'm mixed with black and white, and I experienced racism from both sides.

I also know that there are decent people on both sides.

BLM is a black version of the KKK.

It makes no sense to try to fight racism with racism.

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I am quite certain, there are people with good intentions and those with intentions that are damaging to race relations within BLM. It seems in todays world, there is too much accusation of racism against blacks specifically, with no evidence to support the same. It seemsas though, it is ok to accuse people of racism first and ask questions later, which is racist behavior, on its own.