Sean Spicer says Hitler didn't use chemical weapons

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Yep. Claiming that Spicer denied the holocaust and gassing of Jews is outright lying.

Evidently, some on the left need something new and outlandish to talk about ... because WWIII just isn't enough. :doh:

I would agree with you...

Spicer wasn't guilty of "holocaust denial"...if he's guilty of anything, it's being ill-suited for his job. In his position, he ought be able to choose his words more carefully...clearly he made mistake in the way he was trying to make his point.
 
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I suspect you would make a much better press secretary, too. But ridiculously flawed as he is, I'm not going to criticise him for something he didn't say nor mean.

I think it's very fair, to criticise precisely what he said.
 
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I think it's very fair, to criticise precisely what he said.
A. Intent matters, B. Like I said earlier, technically, what he said is accurate, in the context of what he was talking about.
 
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Great. Just great.

Birther junk.
From the lips of Obama himself, along with other family members.

But meanwhile, we get to read countless fantastic slanders posted against Donald Trump every day without any similar outrage being written. Being born in Kenya, true or not, is nothing by comparison to that stuff.
 
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I can't decide which is more deplorable...the absolutely hamfisted manner in which the person who is supposed to be the spokesman for the administration hopelessly mangled whatever point he was trying to make...or the usual deflection by those who are acutely embarrassed (yet again!) by the actions and statements of the incompetents in the White House..."Look over here...Obama!....birth certificate!...Kenya!..."
 
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A look at his wikipedia entry shows Mr. Spicer has been working as a spokesman for quite a while. So he is experienced and presumably skilled.

My hunch is that he is just given some incoherent talking points and told to "go out there and do it!" and he does his best to wing it. The result is garbled statements like this.
 
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I can't decide which is more deplorable...the absolutely hamfisted manner in which the person who is supposed to be the spokesman for the administration hopelessly mangled whatever point he was trying to make...or the usual deflection by those who are acutely embarrassed (yet again!) by the actions and statements of the incompetents in the White House..."Look over here...Obama!....birth certificate!...Kenya!..."

I hope all SJWs can get over it. Their health might be at risk from dwelling on such contrived outrage. The plan remains--RESIST. OBSTRUCT. IMPEACH. There will be new orders coming down in a day or two, everyone hoping to overthrow the last election will move to the new script, and this one will be old news.
 
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I can't decide which is more deplorable...the absolutely hamfisted manner in which the person who is supposed to be the spokesman for the administration hopelessly mangled whatever point he was trying to make...or the usual deflection by those who are acutely embarrassed (yet again!) by the actions and statements of the incompetents in the White House..."Look over here...Obama!....birth certificate!...Kenya!..."
Was the point about Kenya meant as an illustration that people sometimes misspeak?
 
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I hope all SJWs can get over it. Their health might be at risk from dwelling on such contrived outrage. The plan remains--RESIST. OBSTRUCT. IMPEACH. There will be new orders coming down in a day or two, everyone hoping to overthrow the last election will move to the new script, and this one will be old news.

And the deflection continues...
 
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But meanwhile, we get to read countless fantastic slanders .

If you are reading them then it's libel. slander is spoken word /petpeeve

And more interestingly, something is only defamatory (slander or libel) if it is believable or can be shown to cause harm. "fantastic slander" is an oxymoron.
 
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I hope all SJWs can get over it. Their health might be at risk from dwelling on such contrived outrage. The plan remains--RESIST. OBSTRUCT. IMPEACH. There will be new orders coming down in a day or two, everyone hoping to overthrow the last election will move to the new script, and this one will be old news.
But but but


:D
 
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Are we supposed to believe that a building (in which people were killed during WW2) is what all of us instantly thinks of when "weapon" is mentioned in connection to the events in Syria?
You're right... Assad should have first put the people in a room and then used the chemical weapons on them.

That would have changed everything.
 
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If you are reading them then it's libel. slander is spoken word /petpeeve

And more interestingly, something is only defamatory (slander or libel) if it is believable or can be shown to cause harm. "fantastic slander" is an oxymoron.
On the first point, I agree. I was thinking of the carefully planned series of attacks on the president which I both read and hear daily. On the other point, I disagree. Some slanders have a hint of credibility to them, but that's not what the Soros Junior Warriors are employing these days. No absurdity is too much for them, hence *fantastic* even as slanders or libels go.
 
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On the first point, I agree. I was thinking of the carefully planned series of attacks on the president which I both read and hear daily. On the other point, I disagree. Some slanders have a hint of credibility to them, but that's not what the Soros Junior Warriors are employing these days. No absurdity is too much for them, hence *fantastic* even as slanders or libels go.

I see. Do you now include Spicer himself as one of those SJW's? Because, in his interview with Wolf Blitzer, he has indeed conceded that his statements were a "blunder" and that they were "insensitive"..

Tell me, is Spicer now 'slandering' himself...?
 
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See, this is what I mean. Spicer didn't actually deny the Holocaust.

According to the working definition of Holocaust denialism and distortion used by the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance, of which the United States and the Netherlands (where the Anne Frank Center is located) are members of, his statements actually do constitute it. Holocaust denial is not merely the denial of its historical existence, but publicly denying or calling into doubt principal mechanisms of genocidal destruction such as the use of gas chambers. The Anne Frank Center is acutely aware of how assertions such as his can be used for damaging propagandistic purposes.

I interned for the White House's communication department last summer. You know how the first rule of the Fight Club is that you don't talk about the fight club? The first rule of political communications is that unless the specific topic you're addressing is the Holocaust or Hitler, you do not talk about the Holocaust or Hitler. Ever. You do not employ either for comparative or metaphorical intent. You just don't. Yes, others besides Spicer have made that error, and that's precisely why interns are trained not to repeat it. We're also instructed to never use the word niggardly, because even though it's etymologically unrelated to the racial slur and has a nonracial dictionary definition, it will be excised from its context and misconstrued. We learned about the aide to the mayor of DC in the 90s who used the word with precise appropriateness to the speech about budgets he was delivering, but how it was extracted from its intent stirred up such an outrage he was compelled to resign. It was ingrained in us that we must consider not just what we mean with what we say or write, but how millions of ears and eyes will interpret our words in the present and in time to come.

A. Intent matters, B. Like I said earlier, technically, what he said is accurate, in the context of what he was talking about.

How many times on this forum have you encountered quotes that were butchered from their context, stripped of intent, and proffered as evidence to promote an agenda? Oftentimes that agenda has been diametric to what the person who originally made the statement actually supported, but the literalness of the words were still used to advance it. If you need a specific example, PM me and I'll give it to you there to avoid derailing this thread. Holocaust deniers and history revisionists will seize upon Spicer's statements, and will use them for decades to come, without regard to intent.
 
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Obama said he was born in Kenya and that there were 57 states.

Why is it, every single time someone in the Trump WH does or says something stupid, or vicious, or incompetent, their partisans try to find some equivalence somewhere?

If you think about it, that's what Spicer did here.

You can't run the WH on pure spite. There has to be at least an effort at organization, and self-control.
 
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