Jack Chick's View on Catholicism

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No. They're not omnipresent. They can't hear us.

They can pray for us, however, since those who have gone on to blessedness remember and are aware of the life you and I are currently living. That's described in Revelation. BUT that's not to say it's right for us mortals to pray to THEM, asking for their intercession with God or even (as you noted in your post) that they can hear or see us.
 
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What do you think of his views he had on the Roman Catholic Church? Not only what you think, but WHY?

I will say that I believe Constantine brought much into the church that shouldn't have been in there, but I think Roman Catholics can still be saved as long as they accept Jesus as the Savior of their sin.

For those of you who don't know who Jack Chick was and his views, here's some links:

Are Roman Catholics Christians?
Last Rites
Papa
Why Is Mary Crying?

Where is that in the bible - just accept the Lord Jesus and you will be saved?

No need to be good, just accept the Lord Jesus and you will be saved?

 
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Matthew 11:28
‘Come to me, all you that are weary and are carrying heavy burdens, and I will give you rest.

John 6:37
Everything that the Father gives me will come to me, and anyone who comes to me I will never drive away;​

Now that does not mean the end of things, because clearly turning to Jesus has an impact on our lives, and part of that is the desire to do good, to turn from our wickedness and live good and holy and sober lives. The argument is not about the need to do good, but the firm understanding that the good works come as a result of our salvation, not as a means of attaining it, because that happened in the determined cry of Calvary 'it is accomplished'

I have pasted some of the Articles from the Anglican Church where a fairy together understanding of this issue is discussed. They were first published in 1562, and the core value still seems to sound as a clarion bell for many.

XI. OF THE JUSTIFICATION OF MAN
We are accounted righteous before God, only for the merit of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ by Faith, and not for our own works or deserving: Wherefore, that we are justified by Faith only is a most wholesome Doctrine, and very full of comfort, as more largely is expressed in the Homily of Justification.

XII. OF GOOD WORKS
Albeit that Good Works, which are the fruits of Faith, and follow after Justification, cannot put away our sins, and endure the severity of God's Judgement; yet are they pleasing and acceptable to God in Christ, and do spring out necessarily of a true and lively Faith; insomuch that by them a lively Faith may be as evidently known as a tree discerned by the fruit.

XIII. OF WORKS BEFORE JUSTIFICATION
Works done before the grace of Christ, and the Inspiration of his Spirit, are not pleasant to God, for as much as they spring not of faith in Jesus Christ, neither do they make men meet to receive grace, or (as the School-authors say) deserve grace of congruity: yea rather, for that they are not done as God hath willed and commanded them to be done, we doubt not but they have the nature of sin.

XIV. OF WORKS OF SUPEREROGATION
Voluntary Works besides, over, and above, God's Commandments, which they call Works of Supererogation, cannot be taught without arrogance and impiety: for by them men do declare, that they do not only render unto God as much as they are bound to do, but that they do more for his sake, than of bounden duty is required: whereas Christ saith plainly, When ye have done all that are commanded to you, say, We are unprofitable servants.
 
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Since when was omnipresence a requirement to pray for someone?

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I think he is referring to hearing multiple prayers simultaneously. There isn't really a word to describe that, so "omnipresence" kinda sorta fits the concept. Of course things like knowing a person's heart, or healing people and driving out demons through blessed material, or walking on water etc. are all things that pertain to the divine nature, yet the bible records the apostles doing such things. They could only do such things by the grace of God yet some people want to put limits on what God can allow His Saints to do.
 
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I think he is referring to hearing multiple prayers simultaneously. There isn't really a word to describe that, so "omnipresence" kinda sorta fits the concept. Of course things like knowing a person's heart, or healing people and driving out demons through blessed material, or walking on water etc. are all things that pertain to the divine nature, yet the bible records the apostles doing such things. They could only do such things by the grace of God yet some people want to put limits on what God can allow His Saints to do.

Even taking away the hearing our prayer requests from the equation, he seemed to be saying they can't pray for us because they aren't omnipresent.

The Lutheran Confessions make a point to say that we can't know if the Saints hear our petitions, since such is not revealed; but by the same token state quite clearly that the Saints do pray for us, this is testified to us in Scripture itself (in the Apocalypse), and angels praying for people is mentioned in Zechariah; it is also the most ancient belief of the Church for which we have no reason to doubt or deny.

So what I'm getting at is that one doesn't need to believe that the Saints can hear our petitions in order to believe that they pray for us, and omnipresence or omniscience or etc aren't required of them that they might pray for us any more than it is required of us that we might pray for one another.

But I would also agree with you that Scripture regularly attributes supernatural to humans by the grace and activity of God; if God can even use a piece of cloth which belonged to St. Paul to heal then there's no reason to insist that the Saints can't hear our petitions.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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Are you really going to go through his life with a fine toothed comb for each and every miracle? Just because it isn't in the Bible doesn't mean that a gift is not from God. I've heard of women lifting up cars to get to their trapped baby. Yes, adrenaline, but even that is God given.

Are those things miracles?
 
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Are those things miracles?

No! Women lifting up cars, etc. is just adrenaline pouring through a person due to ultimate distress. These are well documented, if rare.
 
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Stigmata is not listed as one of the gifts of the Holy Spirit.

Okay, if you don't want to believe that stigmata are from God, then go ahead and disbelieve it! Your loss.
 
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Because the few genuine cases of stigmata I am aware of have been given to very holy, Spirit filled Christians who love Jesus with all their heart, soul, mind, and strength.

Yes, I will agree that there are people that self inflict such wounds, to gain attention or notoriety.

But I really doubt if anything is demonic, because it was the Wounds of Christ that defeated satan, and satan really has a hard time duplicating Christ's work here on earth.
 
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Because the few genuine cases of stigmata I am aware of have been given to very holy, Spirit filled Christians who love Jesus with all their heart, soul, mind, and strength.

Yes, I will agree that there are people that self inflict such wounds, to gain attention or notoriety.

But I really doubt if anything is demonic, because it was the Wounds of Christ that defeated satan, and satan really has a hard time duplicating Christ's work here on earth.

You know people with it?
 
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You know people with it?

No, I didn't say that I personally knew a stigmatic. Rather, I was referring to people like St. Francis, Padre Pio, people like that.

St. Francis was a very holy man who began life as the son of a fabric merchant. Before an experience with God, he stole money and fabrics from his father. After his experience with God, he left his family, and began living in the wilderness, alone. After a while, several people noticed his holiness, and men began to become his followers. So he set up the Franciscan order of monks, and he was ordained a deacon in the local (Catholic--there was no Protestant of any sort back then) Church. I forget the exact circumstances regarding his stigmata, but he was gifted with him by God.

After he died, his life was scrutinized carefully, and the local bishop canonized him a saint. No error (not sin, mind you but error) was found in what he taught or wrote.
 
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No, I didn't say that I personally knew a stigmatic. Rather, I was referring to people like St. Francis, Padre Pio, people like that.

St. Francis was a very holy man who began life as the son of a fabric merchant. Before an experience with God, he stole money and fabrics from his father. After his experience with God, he left his family, and began living in the wilderness, alone. After a while, several people noticed his holiness, and men began to become his followers. So he set up the Franciscan order of monks, and he was ordained a deacon in the local (Catholic--there was no Protestant of any sort back then) Church. I forget the exact circumstances regarding his stigmata, but he was gifted with him by God.

After he died, his life was scrutinized carefully, and the local bishop canonized him a saint. No error (not sin, mind you but error) was found in what he taught or wrote.

Galatians 4: Roman Catholic "Saints" Were No Saints!

How sadder yet that some evangelicals see these men as philosophers and examples to follow and we now have pastors pointing to these Catholics saints! I will never forget the day, I heard St. Francis of Assisi, who may as well be named the precursor to some of today's modern nature worshipping New Agers and other stigmatist, being praised during a Calvary Chapel sermon.
 
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What are their wild leaps of inference?

Here's an example:

Pope mentions the Pole Star of the faith.
The Pole Star is in the constellation of Draco
Draco is the Dragon.
The Dragon is Satan.
Therefore, Catholics worship Satan.
 
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