Were all "ONE", Jesus blasphemed when he said he and the Father were "ONE"...?

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Were all "ONE", Jesus blasphemed when he said he and the Father were "ONE"...?

If you understand this logically, scientifically, deep down, we are all "ONE", and thereby one with God... However, does not mean equal to, we are all parts of his body, "Parts", no one of us in the whole, like God is... But we are part of him, and part of him is not only in us, but "is us"...

And were connected to all life around us somehow, (seen it measured and detected) the way thought and intentionality affects us and affects our environment...

With their limited understanding it seemed like blasphemy, but it was actually just "true"... I doubt they were gonna let him explain, even if he felt so inclined...

But now, now we understand it logically, and reasonably...

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Jesus did not say that we "are" all one, Jesus prayed that we "might" be one with Him and the Father.
And we be one in them, with them, through them all of being able to be one with him, and experience oneness with one another, through him/them...

It's all "One" and all connected, and inter-connected, and intertwined...

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Jesus did not say that we "are" all one, Jesus prayed that we "might" be one with Him and the Father.


No, it's may not might and it means Christians are to be one in the same way the father and Son were one. One as in one in purpose not one in number. To understand that one needs to study the difference between hen and heis.

Joh 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
Joh 17:22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
 
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No, it's may not might and it means Christians are to be one in the same way the father and Son were one. One as in one in purpose not one in number. To understand that one needs to study the difference between hen and heis.
Joh 17:21 That they all may [ὦ] be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may [ὦ] be one in us: that the world may [ὦ] believe that thou hast sent me.
Joh 17:22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
Here is the definition of the word translated "may." Whatever the "one in us" means it has not and will not happen in this life.
ὦ ō o
Including the oblique forms, as well as ἦς ēs ace; ἦ ē ay, etc.; the subjunctive of G1510; (may, might, can, could, would, must, etc.; also with G1487 and its compounds, as well as with other particles) be: - + appear, are, (may, might, should) be, X have, is, + pass the flower of her age, should stand, were.
And the definition of the word translated "one."
εἷς heis hice
(Including the neuter [etc.] ἕν hen); a primary numeral; one: - a (-n, -ny, certain), + abundantly, man, one (another), only, other, some. See also G1527, G3367, G3391, G3762.
 
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Ephesians 5:29-32New King James Version (NKJV)

29 For no one ever hated his own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it, just as the Lord does the church. 30 For we are members of His body,of His flesh and of His bones. 31 “For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.”

32 This is a great mystery, but I speak concerning Christ and the church.

1 Corinthians 6:16-17New King James Version (NKJV)
16 Or do you not know that he who is joined to a harlot is one body with her? For “the two,” He says, “shall become one flesh.”
17 But he who is joined to the Lord is one spirit with Him.

We are of His flesh and of His bones, that is of His glorified nature so shall we be, as we are one spirit with Him. We shall be like Him but not Him for we shall see Him as He is.

1 John 3:2
Beloved, now we are children of God; and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is.
 
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Here is the definition of the word translated "may." Whatever the "one in us" means it has not and will not happen in this life.
ὦ ō o
Including the oblique forms, as well as ἦς ēs ace; ἦ ē ay, etc.; the subjunctive of G1510; (may, might, can, could, would, must, etc.; also with G1487 and its compounds, as well as with other particles) be: - + appear, are, (may, might, should) be, X have, is, + pass the flower of her age, should stand, were.
And the definition of the word translated "one."
εἷς heis hice
(Including the neuter [etc.] ἕν hen); a primary numeral; one: - a (-n, -ny, certain), + abundantly, man, one (another), only, other, some. See also G1527, G3367, G3391, G3762.


Might doesn't mean "maybe" but has the same meaning as may or "will".

Also, being "one in us" happens the moment one is saved and joins the body of Christ being one in Christ and the Father as Trinitarians.

Your source for the definition of "one" is also lacking since it doesn't explain the difference between the two words:

John 10:30 I and my Father are one.


John 10:30
Egoó kaí ho Pateér hén esmen
1473 2532 9999 3588 3962 1520 2070
I and my Father one are

(Interlinear Transliterated Bible. Copyright (c) 1994 by Biblesoft)



"One. Gr. "hen" Neut., one in essence, not one person which would be "heis", masc. This is the climax of His claim to oneness with The Father in vv. 18, 25, 28, 29. Compare also V. 38; 14:11 Rev 22:3"


According to Bullinger, an accomplished Greek scholar, the word for "one" is "hen" the Neut. form of the word "heis". "heis" means "one" of person but "hen" means "one" in essence and not one person!



John 10:30 I and my Father are one [in essence].

or

John 10:30 I and my Father are [spiritually] one.



This is what Christ said.



Matthew Henry also confirms this:


Commentary on the Whole Bible Volume V (Matthew to John) - Christian Classics Ethereal Library

Further to corroborate the security, that the sheep of Christ may have strong consolation, he asserts the union of these two undertakers: "I and my Father are one, and have jointly and severally undertaken for the protection of the saints and their perfection." This denotes more than the harmony, and consent, and good understanding, that were between the Father and the Son in the work of man's redemption. Every good man is so far one with God as to concur with him; therefore it must be meant of the oneness of the nature of Father and Son, that they are the same in substance, and equal in power and glory. The fathers urged this both against the Sabellians, to prove the distinction and plurality of the persons, that the Father and the Son are two, and against the Arians, to prove the unity of the nature, that these two are one. If we should altogether hold our peace concerning this sense of the words, even the stones which the Jews took up to cast at him would speak it out, for the Jews understood him as hereby making himself God (v. 33) and he did not deny it. He proves that none could pluck them out of his hand because they could not pluck them out of the Father's hand, which had not been a conclusive argument if the Son had not had the same almighty power with the Father, and consequently been one with him in essence and operation.


"the union of these two undertakers"
"therefore it must be meant of the oneness of the nature of Father and Son"
"to prove the distinction and plurality of the persons, that the Father and the Son are two"
"one with him in essence and operation"

Matthew Henry also knew that the greek for "one" was meaning one in essence, not in person as Bullinger also confirmed.



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I and my Father are one. Not in person, for the Father must be a distinct person from the Son, and the Son a distinct person from the Father; and which is further manifest, from the use of the verb plural, "I and my Father", esµe?, "we are one"; that is, in nature and essence, and perfections, particularly in power



Robertson's word pictures:

John 10:30

One (hen). Neuter, not masculine (heis). Not one person (cf. heis in Gal_3:28), but one essence or nature.
 
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Might doesn't mean "maybe" but has the same meaning as may or "will".
I prefer to rely on accredited Greek language resources which I quoted vice unsupported opinion. The word in question is in the subjunctive mood Here is the definition of that mood, "The subjunctive mood is the mood of possibility and potentiality. The action described may or may not occur, depending upon circumstances."
Also, being "one in us" happens the moment one is saved and joins the body of Christ being one in Christ and the Father as Trinitarians.
There are a plethora of religious groups around all claiming that they, alone, are "one in us," e.g., JW, LDS, SDA, WWCG, UPCI, OP, UU etc., and denouncing all who do not belong to their group.
Your source for the definition of "one" is also lacking since it doesn't explain the difference between the two words:
Here is the complete definition of the word εις from Bauer, Arndt, Gingrich Greek lexicon, one of, if not the, most highly accredited Greek lexicons available.
εις, μια, εν gen. eJnov", mia`", eJnov" numeral one ( Hom. +; LXX , En. , Ep. Arist. , Philo , Joseph. , Test. 12 Patr. ).
lit— a. in contrast to more than one— a. adj. mivlion e{n Mt 5:41 ; cf. 20:1 2; 25:15 , 24 ; Ac 21:7 ; 28:13 ; 2 Pt 3:8 . Opp. pavnte" Ro 5:12 ( ei|" a[nqrwpo" as Hippocr. , Ep. 11, 2; SHanson, Unity of the Church in the NT, ’46, 65-73 [ lit. ]).
b. noun, w. partitive gen. ( Diod. S. 1, 91, 5 aujtw`n ei|" ; Jos. , Vi. 204) Mt 5:19 ; 6:29 ; 18:6 ; Mk 9:42 ; Lk 12:27 ; 17:2 , 22 ; 23:39 ; J 19:34 or w. ejk ( Maximus Tyr. 1, 6 a, b ejk pollw`n ei|" ; Lucian , Somn. 9; Jos. , Bell. 7, 47) Mt 18:12 ; 22:35 ; 26:21 ; Mk 14:18 ; J 1:40 ; 6:8 ; Ac 11:28 al. oJ ei|" tw`n dwvdeka one of the twelve Mk 14:10 is a peculiar expr. ( cf. BGU 1145, 25 [18 BC ] oJ ei|" aujtw`n Tauri`no" ; UPZ 161, 50; 54; PTebt. 138; 357, 10).
b. in contrast to the parts, of which a whole is made up ( Theophrastus in Apollon. Paradox. 16 ta; polla; e}n givgnesqai ; Stephan. Byz. s.v. jWkeanov" : givgnetai ejk duvo eij" e{n) e[sontai oiJ duvo eij" savrka mivan Mt 19:5 ; 1 Cor 6:16 (both Gen 2:24 ). oiJ polloi; e}n sw`mav ejsmen we , though many , form one body Ro 12:5 ; cf. 1 Cor 12:12 , 20 ; Eph 2:15 . pavnte" ei|" ejste you are all one Gal 3:28 . e{n eijsin 1 Cor 3:8 ; cf. J 10:30 ; 17:11 , 21-3 ( cf. IQS 5, 2). For this eij" to; e{n 1J 5:8 ( Appian , Iber. 66 §280 ej" e{n =together, as a unity). eu]" e{n J 11:52 ( cf. IQS 5, 7). oJ poihvsa" ta; ajmfovtera e{n who has united the two divisions Eph 2:14 .—MAppold, The Oneness Motif (John), ’76.
A Greek-English Lexicon Gingrich & Danker
John 10:30 I and my Father are one.
John 10:30
Egoó kaí ho Pateér hén esmen
1473 2532 9999 3588 3962 1520 2070
I and my Father one are

(Interlinear Transliterated Bible. Copyright (c) 1994 by Biblesoft)
"One. Gr. "hen" Neut., one in essence,
not one person which would be "heis", masc. This is the climax of His claim to oneness with The Father in vv. 18, 25, 28, 29. Compare also V. 38; 14:11 Rev 22:3"
According to Bullinger, an accomplished Greek scholar, the word for "one" is "hen" the Neut. form of the word "heis". "heis" means "one" of person but "hen" means "one" in essence and not one person!
Your sources do not state how they arrived at their conclusions. Please see definitions above.
John 10:30 I and my Father are one [in essence].
or
John 10:30 I and my Father are [spiritually] one.
This is what Christ said.
Matthew Henry also confirms this:
Commentary on the Whole Bible Volume V (Matthew to John) - Christian Classics Ethereal Library
Further to corroborate the security, that the sheep of Christ may have strong consolation, he asserts the union of these two undertakers: "I and my Father are one, and have jointly and severally undertaken for the protection of the saints and their perfection." This denotes more than the harmony, and consent, and good understanding, that were between the Father and the Son in the work of man's redemption. Every good man is so far one with God as to concur with him; therefore it must be meant of the oneness of the nature of Father and Son, that they are the same in substance, and equal in power and glory. The fathers urged this both against the Sabellians, to prove the distinction and plurality of the persons, that the Father and the Son are two, and against the Arians, to prove the unity of the nature, that these two are one. If we should altogether hold our peace concerning this sense of the words, even the stones which the Jews took up to cast at him would speak it out, for the Jews understood him as hereby making himself God (v. 33) and he did not deny it. He proves that none could pluck them out of his hand because they could not pluck them out of the Father's hand, which had not been a conclusive argument if the Son had not had the same almighty power with the Father, and consequently been one with him in essence and operation.
"the union of these two undertakers"
"therefore it must be meant of the oneness of the nature of Father and Son"
"to prove the distinction and plurality of the persons, that the Father and the Son are two"
"one with him in essence and operation"

Matthew Henry also knew that the greek for "one" was meaning one in essence, not in person as Bullinger also confirmed.
Gill
I and my Father are one. Not in person, for the Father must be a distinct person from the Son, and the Son a distinct person from the Father; and which is further manifest, from the use of the verb plural, "I and my Father", esµe?, "we are one"; that is, in nature and essence, and perfections, particularly in power.
See my comment about sources, above.
Robertson's word pictures:
John 10:30
One (hen) Neuter, not masculine (heis). Not one person (cf. heis in Gal_3:28), but one essence or nature.
Here are Robertson's complete comments.

One (hen). Neuter, not masculine (heis). Not one person (cf. heis in Gal_3:28), but one essence or nature. By the plural sumus (separate persons) Sabellius is refuted, by unum Arius. So Bengel rightly argues, though Jesus is not referring, of course, to either Sabellius or Arius. The Pharisees had accused Jesus of making himself equal with God as his own special Father (Joh_5:18). Jesus then admitted and proved this claim (Joh_5:19-30). Now he states it tersely in this great saying repeated later (Joh_17:11, Joh_17:21). Note hen used in 1Co_3:3 of the oneness in work of the planter and the waterer and in Joh_17:11, Joh_17:23 of the hoped for unity of Christ’s disciples. This crisp statement is the climax of Christ’s claims concerning the relation between the Father and himself (the Son). They stir the Pharisees to uncontrollable anger.
 
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I prefer to rely on accredited Greek language resources which I quoted vice unsupported opinion. The word in question is in the subjunctive mood Here is the definition of that mood, "The subjunctive mood is the mood of possibility and potentiality. The action described may or may not occur, depending upon circumstances."



G5600
ὦ

o
Including the oblique forms, as well as ἦς ēs ace; ἦ ē ay, etc.; the subjunctive of G1510; (may, might, can, could, would, must, etc.; also with G1487 and its compounds, as well as with other particles) be: - + appear, are, (may, might, should) be, X have, is, + pass the flower of her age, should stand, were.

would and must are also possible meanings and they are definites.

Clarke:

That they all may be one - This prayer was literally answered to the first believers, who were all of one heart and of one soul: Act_4:32.

And I naturally agree with what Clarke says. It did happen already.


There are a plethora of religious groups around all claiming that they, alone, are "one in us," e.g., JW, LDS, SDA, WWCG, UPCI, OP, UU etc., and denouncing all who do not belong to their group.

This is completely irrelevant. We are talking about Christians not various cults or denominations but true Christians in the sight of God.



Here are Robertson's complete comments.

One (hen). Neuter, not masculine (heis). Not one person (cf. heis in Gal_3:28), but one essence or nature. By the plural sumus (separate persons) Sabellius is refuted, by unum Arius. So Bengel rightly argues, though Jesus is not referring, of course, to either Sabellius or Arius. The Pharisees had accused Jesus of making himself equal with God as his own special Father (Joh_5:18). Jesus then admitted and proved this claim (Joh_5:19-30). Now he states it tersely in this great saying repeated later (Joh_17:11, Joh_17:21). Note hen used in 1Co_3:3 of the oneness in work of the planter and the waterer and in Joh_17:11, Joh_17:23 of the hoped for unity of Christ’s disciples. This crisp statement is the climax of Christ’s claims concerning the relation between the Father and himself (the Son). They stir the Pharisees to uncontrollable anger.


This only further strengthens what I said about what it means to be "one" in these verses.
 
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Were all "ONE", Jesus blasphemed when he said he and the Father were "ONE"...? God Bless!
John 10:30 I and my Father are one. 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are. 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
Mar 13:32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father only. lo, these words show, that the Father and the Son are not one, since the Son does not know what the Father knows.'' [GILL] Isaac Chizzuk Emuna, par. 2. c. 50. p. 438, 439.
Joh 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
1Co 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, on account of whom are all things, and we by him.
Eph 1:10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:
1Co 12:12 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ
This crisp statement is the climax of Christ’s claims concerning the relation between the Father and himself (the Son). They stir the Pharisees to uncontrollable anger. [RWP]
Mat 11:27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.
 
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G5600 ὦ ō o
Including the oblique forms, as well as ἦς ēs ace; ἦ ē ay, etc.; the subjunctive of G1510; (may, might, can, could, would, must, etc.; also with G1487 and its compounds, as well as with other particles) be: - + appear, are, (may, might, should) be, X have, is, + pass the flower of her age, should stand, were.
would and must are also possible meanings and they are definites.
Based on the definition of the subjunctive mood, posted above, any definite connotation e.g. "would""must" etc.. is in error.
"The subjunctive mood is the mood of possibility and potentiality. The action described may or may not occur, depending upon circumstances."
Something cannot be "definite" and "possible and potential" at the same time. If this is true how does one determine which is which?
Clarke:
That they all may be one - This prayer was literally answered to the first believers, who were all of one heart and of one soul: Act_4:32.
And I naturally agree with what Clarke says. It did happen already.
Is that why Paul got in Peter's face, had disagreements with and separated from his travelling companions?

This is completely irrelevant. We are talking about Christians not various cults or denominations but true Christians in the sight of God.
That is the point, it is very relevant virtually every group around that identifies as Christian believes that they are true Christians and all the others are not.
This only further strengthens what I said about what it means to be "one" in these verses.
What you mean by one Kemo Sabe? No Christian is or ever was one with Jesus and the Father in the sense that Jesus was and is one with the Father.
 
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Based on the definition of the subjunctive mood, posted above, any definite connotation e.g. "would""must" etc.. is in error.
"The subjunctive mood is the mood of possibility and potentiality. The action described may or may not occur, depending upon circumstances."
Something cannot be "definite" and "possible and potential" at the same time. If this is true how does one determine which is which?


This is a matter scholars understand.

Is that why Paul got in Peter's face, had disagreements with and separated from his travelling companions?

Humans are flawed but they were still one in Christ. Disagreements and me and go but they worked for the same goal and same Messiah and are together in heaven.

That is the point, it is very relevant virtually every group around that identifies as Christian believes that they are true Christians and all the others are not.

Haven't you read this?

Mat_7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.



What you mean by one Kemo Sabe? No Christian is or ever was one with Jesus and the Father in the sense that Jesus was and is one with the Father.

That's simply false. True Christianity, and I don't mean any one denomination of group, but true Christians in God's eyes no matter what church they are a part of are already one with Christ and his father by forming the body of Christ as well as the bride of Christ.

1Co_12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

This is how to be one in Christ and the Father.
 
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This is a matter scholars understand.
That may be true but the scriptures were not written for scholars alone. They were written for common, ordinary folks. How did the common , ordinary folks to whom Jesus was speaking understand "That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us:" Jesus used the subjunctive mood which is "the mood of possibility and potentiality. The action described may or may not occur, depending upon circumstances."
Humans are flawed but they were still one in Christ. Disagreements and me and go but they worked for the same goal and same Messiah and are together in heaven.
Christians do have a kind of unity but as I said that unity is not now and has never been the same as the unity between Jesus and the Father.
Haven't you read this?
Mat_7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Say I'm Louie Lost out here, trying to get my life together and trying to find God, how can I know which one of those "churches" vying to have me join them, is the correct one?
That's simply false. True Christianity, and I don't mean any one denomination of group, but true Christians in God's eyes no matter what church they are a part of are already one with Christ and his father by forming the body of Christ as well as the bride of Christ.
1Co_12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
This is how to be one in Christ and the Father.
Repeating the same argument. We are imperfect and sinful, Jesus was not. Jesus was the only, unique Son of God, we are not. Christians do have a kind of unity but as I said that unity is not now and has never been the same as the unity between Jesus and the Father.
 
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They were written for common, ordinary folks.


A common misunderstanding. The scriptures, especially deeper passages were written only to those who had the spiritual eyes to see and understand them.

Christians do have a kind of unity but as I said that unity is not now and has never been the same as the unity between Jesus and the Father.

Well, I would have to disagree. Christians have shared a spiritual oneness in forming the one body of Christ. There are issues and it will get worse and worse as we approach the end but the true body will survive and live for eternity.



Say I'm Louie Lost out here, trying to get my life together and trying to find God, how can I know which one of those "churches" vying to have me join them, is the correct one?

I'd tell Louie to pray to have the spiritual eyes to see this for himself.

Repeating the same argument. We are imperfect and sinful, Jesus was not. Jesus was the only, unique Son of God, we are not. Christians do have a kind of unity but as I said that unity is not now and has never been the same as the unity between Jesus and the Father.

You are wrongly citing a literal relationship between Father and Son when the verses are dealing with a spiritual oneness. The two concepts are quite different.
 
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Based on the definition of the subjunctive mood, posted above, any definite connotation e.g. "would""must" etc.. is in error.
"The subjunctive mood is the mood of possibility and potentiality. The action described may or may not occur, depending upon circumstances."
Something cannot be "definite" and "possible and potential" at the same time. If this is true how does one determine which is which?

Is that why Paul got in Peter's face, had disagreements with and separated from his travelling companions?


That is the point, it is very relevant virtually every group around that identifies as Christian believes that they are true Christians and all the others are not.

What you mean by one Kemo Sabe? No Christian is or ever was one with Jesus and the Father in the sense that Jesus was and is one with the Father.
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Including the oblique forms, as well as ἦς ēs ace; ἦ ē ay, etc.; the subjunctive of G1510; (may, might, can, could, would, must, etc.; also with G1487 and its compounds, as well as with other particles) be: - + appear, are, (may, might, should) be, X have, is, + pass the flower of her age, should stand, were.
would and must are also possible meanings and they are definites.
G1510 εση εστιν εισιν εϊμί όν ισθε it is, to happen, to be present, Ι am, Ι come, Ι go, being, existence; entity; creature occur, happen, occupy a position οr place.
G1487 ει if, or in indirect questions, whether, ever, whenever

Joh 17:11 And G2532 no longer G3765 am I G1510.2.1 in G1722 the G3588 world,G2889 but G2532 these G3778 [2inG1722 3 theG3588 4worldG2889 1 are],G1510.2.6 andG2532 IG1473 [2toG4314 3youG1473 1come].G2064 [2fatherG3962 1O holy],G39 keepG5083 themG1473 inG1722 G3588 your name!G3686 G1473 the ones whomG3739 you have givenG1325 to me,G1473 thatG2443 they might be G1510.3 one,G1520 asG2531 we.G1473

these G3778 οὗτος, οὗτοι, αὕτη, αὕται Including the nominative masculine plural (second form), nominative feminine signular (third form), and the nominate feminine plural, (fourth form). From the article G3588 and G846; the he (she or it), that is, this or that (often with the article repeated): - he (it was that), hereof, it, she, such as, the same, these, they, this (man, same, woman), which, who.

Joh 10:30 IG1473 and G2532 the G3588 father --G3962 we are one.G1520 G1510.2.4 First person singular present indicative; a prolonged form of a primary and defective verb; I exist (used only when emphatic): - am, have been, X it is I, was.





 
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Were all "ONE", Jesus blasphemed when he said he and the Father were "ONE"...?

If you understand this logically, scientifically, deep down, we are all "ONE", and thereby one with God... However, does not mean equal to, we are all parts of his body, "Parts", no one of us in the whole, like God is... But we are part of him, and part of him is not only in us, but "is us"...
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I have understood it so that we are one with God, if we have same will as God has.
 
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A common misunderstanding. The scriptures, especially deeper passages were written only to those who had the spiritual eyes to see and understand them.
An interesting opinion but I don't see any scripture to support it. I would like to see instructions written to all the formerly pagan Christians in Rome, Corinth, Galatia, Ephesus, Philippi, Colossae, Thessalonika etc. that the "deeper passages were written only to those who had the spiritual eyes to see and understand them."
Well, I would have to disagree. Christians have shared a spiritual oneness in forming the one body of Christ. There are issues and it will get worse and worse as we approach the end but the true body will survive and live for eternity.
More unsupported opinion.
I'd tell Louie to pray to have the spiritual eyes to see this for himself.
Sounds evasive, doesn't really answer my question.
You are wrongly citing a literal relationship between Father and Son when the verses are dealing with a spiritual oneness. The two concepts are quite different.
Scripture?
 
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An interesting opinion but I don't see any scripture to support it.

Mat 13:15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
Mat 13:16 But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.





Scripture?

Already posted a lot several days ago in the thread concerning hen and heis.
 
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Mat 13:15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
Mat 13:16 But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.
Matthew 13:13-15
(13) Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
(14) And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:
(15) For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
Spoken to the Jewish people who rebelled against God.
Isaiah 6:5 Then said I, Woe is me! for I am undone; because I am a man of unclean lips, and I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips: for mine eyes have seen the King, the LORD of hosts.
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Isaiah 6:9-10
(9) And he said, Go, and tell this people, Hear ye indeed, but understand not; and see ye indeed, but perceive not.
(10) Make the heart of this people fat, and make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes; lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and convert, and be healed.
All scripture is written for us but not all scripture is written to us. This proof text does not support your argument.
Already posted a lot several days ago in the thread concerning hen and heis.
You lost that argument.
 
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All scripture is written for us but not all scripture is written to us. This proof text does not support your argument.


It does actually.

You lost that argument.

Nope. Heis does not mean one in number. A Trinitarian should already understand and agree with that. It's the Oneness crowd that tries to make it mean one in number because of their ignorance of the difference between hen and heis.
 
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