Is Jesus the only one who can pay for our sins?

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David in the Psalms talks about going to his child after death. My wife and I lost a baby at 10 weeks and it was extremely difficult, but that baby was not torture, humiliate and murdered. I consider being crucified with Christ much more severe.
David was forgiven but not "disciplined" for his sins.

I guess I'm going to break down and show you discipline was in the OT.

The OT word for discipline is muwcar. It is also translated properly, chastisement; figuratively, reproof, warning or instruction; also restraint:—bond, chastening(-eth), chastisement, check, correction, discipline, doctrine, instruction, rebuke.

Here is where it is used in the OT:

Deuteronomy 11:2
And know ye this day: for I speak not with your children which have not known, and which have not seen the chastisement of the LORD your God, his greatness, his mighty hand, and his stretched out arm,

Job 5:17
Behold, happy is the man whom God correcteth: therefore despise not thou the chastening of the Almighty:

Job 36:10
He openeth also their ear to discipline, and commandeth that they return from iniquity.

Psalm50:17
Seeing thou hatest instruction, and castest my words behind thee.

Proverbs 1:2
To know wisdom and instruction; to perceive the words of understanding;

Proverbs 1:3
To receive the instruction of wisdom, justice, and judgment, and equity;

Proverbs 1:7
The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.

Proverbs 1:8
My son, hear the instruction of thy father, and forsake not the law of thy mother:

Proverbs 3:11
My son, despise not the chastening of the LORD; neither be weary of his correction:

Proverbs 6:23
For the commandment is a lamp; and the law is light; and reproofs of instruction are the way of life:

Proverbs 8:10
Receive my instruction, and not silver; and knowledge rather than choice gold.

Proverbs 8:33
Hear instruction, and be wise, and refuse it not.

Proverbs 10:17
He is in the way of life that keepeth instruction: but he that refuseth reproof erreth.

Proverbs 12:1
Whoso loveth instruction loveth knowledge: but he that hateth reproof is brutish.

Proverbs 15:32
He that refuseth instruction despiseth his own soul: but he that heareth reproof getteth understanding.

Proverbs 15:33
The fear of the LORD is the instruction of wisdom; and before honour is humility.

Proverbs 16:22
Understanding is a wellspring of life unto him that hath it: but the instruction of fools is folly.

Proverbs 19:20
Hear counsel, and receive instruction, that thou mayest be wise in thy latter end.

Jeremiah 5:3
O LORD, are not thine eyes upon the truth? thou hast stricken them, but they have not grieved; thou hast consumed them, but they have refused to receive correction: they have made their faces harder than a rock; they have refused to return.

Jeremiah 7:28
But thou shalt say unto them, This is a nation that obeyeth not the voice of the LORD their God, nor receiveth correction: truth is perished, and is cut off from their mouth.

Jeremiah 10:8
But they are altogether brutish and foolish: the stock is a doctrine of vanities.

Jeremiah 17:23
But they obeyed not, neither inclined their ear, but made their neck stiff, that they might not hear, nor receive instruction.

Ezekiel 5:15
So it shall be a reproach and a taunt, an instruction and an astonishment unto the nations that are round about thee, when I shall execute judgments in thee in anger and in fury and in furious rebukes. I the LORD have spoken it.

Hosea 5:2
And the revolters are profound to make slaughter, though I have been a rebuker of them all.

Zephaniah 3:2
She obeyed not the voice; she received not correction; she trusted not in the LORD; she drew not near to her God.

Zephaniah 3:7
I said, Surely thou wilt fear me, thou wilt receive instruction; so their dwelling should not be cut off, howsoever I punished them: but they rose early, and corrupted all their doings.

As you can see bling, discipline has nothing to do with torture, humiliation, nor murder. It has to do with instruction and correction. A disciple of Jesus does not go through torture nor humiliation; instead, he goes through instruction and correction by way of heeding instruction.

And yes, David was disciplined through instruction.
 
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I guess I'm going to break down and show you discipline was in the OT.

The OT word for discipline is muwcar. It is also translated properly, chastisement; figuratively, reproof, warning or instruction; also restraint:—bond, chastening(-eth), chastisement, check, correction, discipline, doctrine, instruction, rebuke.

Here is where it is used in the OT:

Deuteronomy 11:2
And know ye this day: for I speak not with your children which have not known, and which have not seen the chastisement of the LORD your God, his greatness, his mighty hand, and his stretched out arm,

Job 5:17
Behold, happy is the man whom God correcteth: therefore despise not thou the chastening of the Almighty:

Job 36:10
He openeth also their ear to discipline, and commandeth that they return from iniquity.

Psalm50:17
Seeing thou hatest instruction, and castest my words behind thee.

Proverbs 1:2
To know wisdom and instruction; to perceive the words of understanding;

Proverbs 1:3
To receive the instruction of wisdom, justice, and judgment, and equity;

Proverbs 1:7
The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.

Proverbs 1:8
My son, hear the instruction of thy father, and forsake not the law of thy mother:

Proverbs 3:11
My son, despise not the chastening of the LORD; neither be weary of his correction:

Proverbs 6:23
For the commandment is a lamp; and the law is light; and reproofs of instruction are the way of life:

Proverbs 8:10
Receive my instruction, and not silver; and knowledge rather than choice gold.

Proverbs 8:33
Hear instruction, and be wise, and refuse it not.

Proverbs 10:17
He is in the way of life that keepeth instruction: but he that refuseth reproof erreth.

Proverbs 12:1
Whoso loveth instruction loveth knowledge: but he that hateth reproof is brutish.

Proverbs 15:32
He that refuseth instruction despiseth his own soul: but he that heareth reproof getteth understanding.

Proverbs 15:33
The fear of the LORD is the instruction of wisdom; and before honour is humility.

Proverbs 16:22
Understanding is a wellspring of life unto him that hath it: but the instruction of fools is folly.

Proverbs 19:20
Hear counsel, and receive instruction, that thou mayest be wise in thy latter end.

Jeremiah 5:3
O LORD, are not thine eyes upon the truth? thou hast stricken them, but they have not grieved; thou hast consumed them, but they have refused to receive correction: they have made their faces harder than a rock; they have refused to return.

Jeremiah 7:28
But thou shalt say unto them, This is a nation that obeyeth not the voice of the LORD their God, nor receiveth correction: truth is perished, and is cut off from their mouth.

Jeremiah 10:8
But they are altogether brutish and foolish: the stock is a doctrine of vanities.

Jeremiah 17:23
But they obeyed not, neither inclined their ear, but made their neck stiff, that they might not hear, nor receive instruction.

Ezekiel 5:15
So it shall be a reproach and a taunt, an instruction and an astonishment unto the nations that are round about thee, when I shall execute judgments in thee in anger and in fury and in furious rebukes. I the LORD have spoken it.

Hosea 5:2
And the revolters are profound to make slaughter, though I have been a rebuker of them all.

Zephaniah 3:2
She obeyed not the voice; she received not correction; she trusted not in the LORD; she drew not near to her God.

Zephaniah 3:7
I said, Surely thou wilt fear me, thou wilt receive instruction; so their dwelling should not be cut off, howsoever I punished them: but they rose early, and corrupted all their doings.

As you can see bling, discipline has nothing to do with torture, humiliation, nor murder. It has to do with instruction and correction. A disciple of Jesus does not go through torture nor humiliation; instead, he goes through instruction and correction by way of heeding instruction.

And yes, David was disciplined through instruction.

As you pointed out muwcar in the OT can be defined many ways. Yes there was lots of disciplining (instruction) by God and even punishments as disciplines. The disciplining I am talking about is the loving disciplining the Father provides to his child who has been rebelliously disobedient and specifically for the sins he has done, this would allow the child to stand “justified” with the Father.

Under the Old Law there were severe punishment, which you might describe as disciplining the person, but these resulted in death or banishment, so no one would have been left in the Promised Land. The Jewish people had to carry out these punishments and could not so the disciplining was not done.

King David and Bathsheba both needed to be stoned for their behavior as a fair/just discipline but that was not done, the fair/just discipline for a Christian today for the same crime as David’s would be crucifixion with Christ.
 
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As you pointed out muwcar in the OT can be defined many ways. Yes there was lots of disciplining (instruction) by God and even punishments as disciplines. The disciplining I am talking about is the loving disciplining the Father provides to his child who has been rebelliously disobedient and specifically for the sins he has done, this would allow the child to stand “justified” with the Father.

Loving discipline comes by way of the Word. Either a child listens and obeys or has no part of His salvation.

Hebrews 5:9
And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey Him;

Discipline is no use if one does not heed and obey the discipline.

Under the Old Law there were severe punishment, which you might describe as disciplining the person, but these resulted in death or banishment, so no one would have been left in the Promised Land. The Jewish people had to carry out these punishments and could not so the disciplining was not done.

Deathly punishment is not used in the meaning of discipline in the OT. I've already provided verses to show that. I think you are talking about vengeance, which includes punishment.

King David and Bathsheba both needed to be stoned for their behavior as a fair/just discipline but that was not done, the fair/just discipline for a Christian today for the same crime as David’s would be crucifixion with Christ.

That would be vengeance, or punishment. Discipline is being instructed, not crucifixion. Why was Jesus instructed on the cross? What did He need to learn and obey?
 
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Loving discipline comes by way of the Word. Either a child listens and obeys or has no part of His salvation.
Consider Gal 3 -
10 For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, as it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.
11 Clearly no one who relies on the law is justified before God, because “the righteous will live by faith.”
12 The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, it says, “The person who does these things will live by them.”
13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a pole.”
14 He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit.

And Gal 5:4 - You who are trying to be justified by the law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace.

Keeping the law is obeying God's word. Yet, it's a curse. Why? Because no one can keep the law. We are cursed by the law. And Jesus Christ became a curse for us.

Hebrews 5:9
And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey Him;

Why was Jesus instructed on the cross? What did He need to learn and obey?[/QUOTE]
Such questions demonstrate a deep ignorance of Christianity.

What Jesus learned on the cross was complete obedience to His Father. Something we cannot do.

What Heb 5:9 refers to is the command to believe in Him for salvation.
 
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Loving discipline comes by way of the Word. Either a child listens and obeys or has no part of His salvation.

Hebrews 5:9
And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey Him;

Discipline is no use if one does not heed and obey the discipline.


Disciplining comes first and helps the child in their obedience and heeding.

You forgive with words, but fair/just Loving discipline takes much more, do you always just discipline your own rebellious disobedient child with some words?

Deathly punishment is not used in the meaning of discipline in the OT. I've already provided verses to show that. I think you are talking about vengeance, which includes punishment.

That would be vengeance, or punishment. Discipline is being instructed, not crucifixion. Why was Jesus instructed on the cross? What did He need to learn and obey?

Jesus is providing a way for us to be disciplined (be crucified without actually physically dying) and Jesus is not being disciplined by His father in anyway.

As Dr. Dobson would say: “parents should discipline their children and not punish them”.

Disciplining is a form of instructing, but the discipline for rebellious disobedience takes more than just words, especially since we all seem to repeat the same disobedience.

Deterrent for the person being disciplined and others aware of the discipline which keeps them from repeating the action.

It places the value on the transgression (the greater severity to the disciplining the greater the transgression), sometimes we do not know how much pain it has caused until we know the how we will be disciplined for the transgression.

It shows fairness and justice, the parent/judge needs to be consistent and we want to know we have a fair and just parent/judge.

It is a way to put the transgression behind us, since we have done the time for the crime.

It also should strength and improves the relationship between the parent and the child it is a teaching moment.

We know wonderful parent see to the discipline of the children they Love if at all possible, so if our parents do not discipline us, we should rightfully question their love/concern for us.


God the Father is doing everything God can do to help willing individuals to fulfill their earthly objective which includes (at great personal cost to God) the allowing a willing Christ to go to the cross.
 
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Disciplining comes first and helps the child in their obedience and heeding.

You forgive with words, but fair/just Loving discipline takes much more, do you always just discipline your own rebellious disobedient child with some words?

Why does it take more? If Jesus said do not look upon a woman to lust after her, does it take more for you to obey Him? Or, do you consider discipline to be God beating the living daylights out of you the first time you lust? Not much patience with God with that kind of 'discipline'.

What do you make of disobedient children? Have you considered these verses?

Ephesians 5:6
Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.

Colossians 3:6
For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:

A man can be disciplined (instructed) all his life, but if he fails to heed the discipline and keeps disobeying, then we see God's wrath becomes involved. This is punishment, not discipline.

Many are deceiving others when they tell them they can disobey God's word and not face God's wrath.

As far as my children, usually words was all it took for them to obey. I surely didn't torture and humiliate them for disobeying. The Bible says to 'Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it' (Proverbs 22:6). 'Train up' has absolutely nothing to do with punishment. Yes, you can look it up, it has to do with dedicating and disciplining.

Jesus is providing a way for us to be disciplined (be crucified without actually physically dying) and Jesus is not being disciplined by His father in anyway.

As Dr. Dobson would say: “parents should discipline their children and not punish them”.

Discipling is being crucified? Come on bling, that's not even within reason. So you are saying Dr. Dobson says to crucify your children (without actually physically killing them) when you discipline them. You have me shaking my head.

Disciplining is a form of instructing, but the discipline for rebellious disobedience takes more than just words, especially since we all seem to repeat the same disobedience.

Each man chooses whether to obey or disobey. Rebellion takes punishment, not discipline.

Deterrent for the person being disciplined and others aware of the discipline which keeps them from repeating the action.

You are aware what happened to Pinocchio, don't you? Does this keep you from lying?

It places the value on the transgression (the greater severity to the disciplining the greater the transgression), sometimes we do not know how much pain it has caused until we know the how we will be disciplined for the transgression.

The children of Israel knew what happened to generations before them who worshiped other gods. This did not stop them from doing it. Many children today see their parents do drugs and get drunk and go to prison. This does not stop the children from doing the same thing.

It shows fairness and justice, the parent/judge needs to be consistent and we want to know we have a fair and just parent/judge.

It is a way to put the transgression behind us, since we have done the time for the crime.

Why not repent for the forgiveness of sins. When forgiven, it is a though the crime wasn't committed.

It also should strength and improves the relationship between the parent and the child it is a teaching moment.

So the druggie going to prison strengthens the relationship with his children?

We know wonderful parent see to the discipline of the children they Love if at all possible, so if our parents do not discipline us, we should rightfully question their love/concern for us.

The Bible calls this 'training up' a child in the way he should go.

God the Father is doing everything God can do to help willing individuals to fulfill their earthly objective which includes (at great personal cost to God) the allowing a willing Christ to go to the cross.

God gave us His word to help every man, woman, and child. His word shows us how to live, and therefore, have an abundant life. Going to a cross does not discipline (teach) anyone. Besides, you are to take up your own cross. So, who are you disciplining?
 
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Consider Gal 3 -
10 For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, as it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.
11 Clearly no one who relies on the law is justified before God, because “the righteous will live by faith.”
12 The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, it says, “The person who does these things will live by them.”
13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a pole.”
14 He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit.

Those who rely on the works of the law ARE NOT under a curse. If so, God cursed every one of His children who came out of Egypt.

Plus, if you believe this, then God wanted to curse everyone in the OT when He gave them the law. Such illogical thinking pervades the church today.

And Gal 5:4 - You who are trying to be justified by the law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace.

Why are you giving me a loss of salvation passage?

Keeping the law is obeying God's word. Yet, it's a curse. Why? Because no one can keep the law. We are cursed by the law. And Jesus Christ became a curse for us.

Unbelievable! What do you mean no one can keep the law? You are showing you do not believe the Bible.

Luke 1
5 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth.
6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.


Hebrews 5:9
And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey Him;

Such questions demonstrate a deep ignorance of Christianity.

What Jesus learned on the cross was complete obedience to His Father. Something we cannot do.

What Heb 5:9 refers to is the command to believe in Him for salvation.

Nope! It does not say 'believe'; it says plainly says 'OBEY'! The ignorance lies across the table from me.
 
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Those who rely on the works of the law ARE NOT under a curse.
So, you've rejected what Paul (the Bible) actually says.

If so, God cursed every one of His children who came out of Egypt.
Actually, every member of the human race is under the curse of the law. Because no one can keep the law.

Plus, if you believe this, then God wanted to curse everyone in the OT when He gave them the law. Such illogical thinking pervades the church today.
No again, because of Adam's sin, the whole human race is under the curse of SIN. The law simply proves that no one can keep the law.

Meaning, no one can earn salvation.

Why are you giving me a loss of salvation passage?
There are none. I don't know what you are referring to.

Unbelievable! What do you mean no one can keep the law? You are showing you do not believe the Bible.
Actually, the Bible says that no one can keep the law.

[/QUOTE] The ignorance lies across the table from me.[/QUOTE]
Where the mirror is placed, right?
 
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So, you've rejected what Paul (the Bible) actually says.

No one is under a curse because of the law. What an absurd belief.

Actually, every member of the human race is under the curse of the law. Because no one can keep the law.

If that's the case, then no one can enter life. What an absurd belief.

No again, because of Adam's sin, the whole human race is under the curse of SIN. The law simply proves that no one can keep the law.

Again, what an absurd belief.

Meaning, no one can earn salvation.

If you FG2, want to enter life, keep His commandments.

There are none. I don't know what you are referring to.

Sure you know. If one is saved by grace, and then falls FROM grace, how does grace save him? What an absurd belief you have.

Actually, the Bible says that no one can keep the law.

Wrong again. What an absurd belief you have.

Where the mirror is placed, right?

Nope, where you sit.

Again, Jesus is the author of eternal salvation to those who OBEY Him. What is it about OBEY do you have problems? Why do you not believe this?
 
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No one is under a curse because of the law. What an absurd belief.
Anyone is free to reject what the Bible says.

If that's the case, then no one can enter life. What an absurd belief.
No, people "enter life" by having eternal life, which is a gift of God and received by faith in Christ.

Sure you know. If one is saved by grace, and then falls FROM grace, how does grace save him? What an absurd belief you have.
Rather, your view of grace is absurd.
 
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Anyone is free to reject what the Bible says.

Show us where God says the law is a curse. Even Paul was confused about the law.

Romans 7:12
Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

How is anything holy, just, and good cursed? Here's what dictionary.com says a curse is -

1. the expression of a wish that misfortune, evil, doom, etc., befall a person, group, etc.
2. a formula or charm intended to cause such misfortune to another.
3. the act of reciting such a formula.
4. a profane oath; curse word.
5. an evil that has been invoked upon one.
6. the cause of evil, misfortune, or trouble.


How in the world is the law any of these things? You are delusional.

I guess Jesus wanted to curse everyone -

John 14:15
If ye love me, keep my commandments.

No, people "enter life" by having eternal life, which is a gift of God and received by faith in Christ.

Nope! Wrong again. One enters life to have eternal life. You have your dead horse before the cart.

Rather, your view of grace is absurd.

You don't even know what 'fall from' is.
 
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Show us where God says the law is a curse. Even Paul was confused about the law.
Because of your own absurd views about the Bible, you've already just rejected all the Scripture that plainly refutes your views. Why bother providing any more verses? That would be absurd.

In my devotions this morning, I was reminded of this very wise advise from Paul to Titus: Warn a divisive person once, and then warn them a second time. After that, have nothing to do with them. 3:10

I believe this directly applies to interaction with you, because your views are NOT orthodox Christianity, but some very different kind of theology.
 
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Because of your own absurd views about the Bible, you've already just rejected all the Scripture that plainly refutes your views. Why bother providing any more verses? That would be absurd.

Why bother? Because you can't come up with God's own voice which says the law is a curse. You can't show us where that which is holy, just, and good is cursed. You throw the 'curse' word around like it's your play thing.

What is absurd is calling that which is holy a curse. Calling God's holy word a curse is bordering on blasphemy.

In my devotions this morning, I was reminded of this very wise advise from Paul to Titus: Warn a divisive person once, and then warn them a second time. After that, have nothing to do with them. 3:10

Then perhaps you should have nothing to do with Jesus. Did you not know Jesus was a divisive man? Are you calling Jesus a heretic?

Matthew 10:35
For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

So, have you warned Jesus yet? After your second warning to Him, then should have nothing to do with Him. And you call that very wise advise? You need to get your eyes, heart, and love off Paul.

I believe this directly applies to interaction with you, because your views are NOT orthodox Christianity, but some very different kind of theology.

Perhaps you should try the narrow road which leads to the narrow gate. For within that gate, you will find life.
 
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Why bother? Because you can't come up with God's own voice which says the law is a curse. You can't show us where that which is holy, just, and good is cursed. You throw the 'curse' word around like it's your play thing.

What is absurd is calling that which is holy a curse. Calling God's holy word a curse is bordering on blasphemy.



Then perhaps you should have nothing to do with Jesus. Did you not know Jesus was a divisive man? Are you calling Jesus a heretic?

Matthew 10:35
For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

So, have you warned Jesus yet? After your second warning to Him, then should have nothing to do with Him. And you call that very wise advise? You need to get your eyes, heart, and love off Paul.



Perhaps you should try the narrow road which leads to the narrow gate. For within that gate, you will find life.
Why don't you just accept what all of the Bible says and repent of your unbiblical views?
 
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Why don't you just accept what all of the Bible says and repent of your unbiblical views?

Why do you call that which is holy a curse? Is this your Biblical view?

Here is what the Bible says -

Matthew 19:17
So He said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.

Why do you not accept this? Yet you want to deny these very words of the Savior. You have to make up some wild interpretation to fit your views. But that is your choice. Believe wrong, live wrong.
 
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Anyone who has read any of your posts knows that a biblical view isn't in yours.

You're stuck, aren't you FG2. You know you have cursed God's holy word, and have delight in doing so.

You are guilty of the following:

Deuteronomy 4:2
Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you.

You have diminished (done away with, restrained, took from, and abated) the word of God. Abate is an especially strong word against you. Here is what Merriam-Webster says abate is -

to decrease in force or intensity
to become defeated or become null or void
to decrease in amount or value
to put an end to
to reduce in degree or intensity
to reduce in value or amount
to make less
to deduct or omit

You have done all these things to God's holy law, His eternal word. You have diminished God's holy word to where it is of no value to you.

If Paul knew the Torah, as any good Pharisee should, he would have known not to omit and put an end to God's law.

Here is what God says about His law -

Deuteronomy 29:29
The secret things belong to the Lord our God, but those things which are revealed belong to us and to our children forever, that we may do all the words of this law.

2 Kings 17:37
And the statutes, the ordinances, the law, and the commandment which He wrote for you, you shall be careful to observe forever; you shall not fear other gods.

Psalm 119:44
So shall I keep Your law continually, forever and ever.

FG2, God's law is to kept FOREVER! Yet Paul decided God wasn't telling us the truth; he even called God's law a curse. We have so many Christians who have a disdain for the law, God's holy word.

I know you probably won't read the above verses, because they are null and void to you. However, God's truth will be around long after you are gone and forgotten.

p.s. Do you see Deuteronomy 29:29 above? If anything was revealed to Paul, it was so he may do ALL the words of the law, not call it a curse and put an end to it. The same for you FG2, if God has revealed anything to you, it was so you may DO ALL THE WORDS OF THE LAW!
 
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You're stuck, aren't you FG2.
Yeah, one could say that.

Stuck with someone who cherry-picks what verses they'll accept, and what to reject.

There's no way to have an intelligent discussion that way.

You know you have cursed God's holy word, and have delight in doing so.
lol That charge belongs solely to yourself.
 
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Yeah, one could say that.

Stuck with someone who cherry-picks what verses they'll accept, and what to reject.

I see you are getting sparse with your responses to me. You have cowardly started to throw your comments toward me and not use God's word. That's okay; one who says God's word is a curse usually has nowhere to go in God' word to prove this.

There's no way to have an intelligent discussion that way.

Well anyway, you are stuck FG2. You don't want to call God's word a curse, but in your heart, you do believe and do that.

lol That charge belongs solely to yourself.

False charge! I have never said God's law and word are a curse. This comes from Paul's writings, and subsequently, by you. You have run out of your free-grace tricks.
 
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I see you are getting sparse with your responses to me. You have cowardly started to throw your comments toward me and not use God's word.
You've rejected God's Word that refutes your views.

False charge! I have never said God's law and word are a curse. This comes from Paul's writings, and subsequently, by you. You have run out of your free-grace tricks.
There we go again! More evidence of rejecting God's inspired Word.

Disgusting.
 
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