EmSw
White Horse Rider
David in the Psalms talks about going to his child after death. My wife and I lost a baby at 10 weeks and it was extremely difficult, but that baby was not torture, humiliate and murdered. I consider being crucified with Christ much more severe.
David was forgiven but not "disciplined" for his sins.
I guess I'm going to break down and show you discipline was in the OT.
The OT word for discipline is muwcar. It is also translated properly, chastisement; figuratively, reproof, warning or instruction; also restraint:—bond, chastening(-eth), chastisement, check, correction, discipline, doctrine, instruction, rebuke.
Here is where it is used in the OT:
Deuteronomy 11:2
And know ye this day: for I speak not with your children which have not known, and which have not seen the chastisement of the LORD your God, his greatness, his mighty hand, and his stretched out arm,
Job 5:17
Behold, happy is the man whom God correcteth: therefore despise not thou the chastening of the Almighty:
Job 36:10
He openeth also their ear to discipline, and commandeth that they return from iniquity.
Psalm50:17
Seeing thou hatest instruction, and castest my words behind thee.
Proverbs 1:2
To know wisdom and instruction; to perceive the words of understanding;
Proverbs 1:3
To receive the instruction of wisdom, justice, and judgment, and equity;
Proverbs 1:7
The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.
Proverbs 1:8
My son, hear the instruction of thy father, and forsake not the law of thy mother:
Proverbs 3:11
My son, despise not the chastening of the LORD; neither be weary of his correction:
Proverbs 6:23
For the commandment is a lamp; and the law is light; and reproofs of instruction are the way of life:
Proverbs 8:10
Receive my instruction, and not silver; and knowledge rather than choice gold.
Proverbs 8:33
Hear instruction, and be wise, and refuse it not.
Proverbs 10:17
He is in the way of life that keepeth instruction: but he that refuseth reproof erreth.
Proverbs 12:1
Whoso loveth instruction loveth knowledge: but he that hateth reproof is brutish.
Proverbs 15:32
He that refuseth instruction despiseth his own soul: but he that heareth reproof getteth understanding.
Proverbs 15:33
The fear of the LORD is the instruction of wisdom; and before honour is humility.
Proverbs 16:22
Understanding is a wellspring of life unto him that hath it: but the instruction of fools is folly.
Proverbs 19:20
Hear counsel, and receive instruction, that thou mayest be wise in thy latter end.
Jeremiah 5:3
O LORD, are not thine eyes upon the truth? thou hast stricken them, but they have not grieved; thou hast consumed them, but they have refused to receive correction: they have made their faces harder than a rock; they have refused to return.
Jeremiah 7:28
But thou shalt say unto them, This is a nation that obeyeth not the voice of the LORD their God, nor receiveth correction: truth is perished, and is cut off from their mouth.
Jeremiah 10:8
But they are altogether brutish and foolish: the stock is a doctrine of vanities.
Jeremiah 17:23
But they obeyed not, neither inclined their ear, but made their neck stiff, that they might not hear, nor receive instruction.
Ezekiel 5:15
So it shall be a reproach and a taunt, an instruction and an astonishment unto the nations that are round about thee, when I shall execute judgments in thee in anger and in fury and in furious rebukes. I the LORD have spoken it.
Hosea 5:2
And the revolters are profound to make slaughter, though I have been a rebuker of them all.
Zephaniah 3:2
She obeyed not the voice; she received not correction; she trusted not in the LORD; she drew not near to her God.
Zephaniah 3:7
I said, Surely thou wilt fear me, thou wilt receive instruction; so their dwelling should not be cut off, howsoever I punished them: but they rose early, and corrupted all their doings.
As you can see bling, discipline has nothing to do with torture, humiliation, nor murder. It has to do with instruction and correction. A disciple of Jesus does not go through torture nor humiliation; instead, he goes through instruction and correction by way of heeding instruction.
And yes, David was disciplined through instruction.
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