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That is correct. That was His generation.No He spoke of the generation alive that started to see the signs.
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That is correct. That was His generation.No He spoke of the generation alive that started to see the signs.
Yep Jesus said "THIS" generation and the apostles believed him and wrote thus , and futurists seem to have a hard time with that. Not sure why but maybe some here lacking in the brain box dept.The best part about all this speculation is that nobody doing the speculating has to be held accountable for it... and when, once again, the thing speculated to happen by the speculated date fails to transpire on time as speculated, the speculators can just move the date out farther and farther each time, and continue to speculate about the things that are "about to happen at any moment now, soon, at hand, near and without delay, right around the corner in 2017, or 18, or 19, or 22, or 30, 35, 40, 55, 70, 85, 2100, 2200, 2500....
The problem with listening to people who don't believe prophesy discuss prophesy is that they do not understand what they are discussing. In this case, I see that a certain sign was talked about that could not have been fulfilled in the past.That is correct. That was His generation.
The problem with listening to people who don't believe prophesy discuss prophesy is that they do not understand what they are discussing.
In this case, I see that a certain sign was talked about that could not have been fulfilled in the past.
Mat 24: 15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand 16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
If the people in Jesus' day started heading for the hills when something was set up in the temple, they would have been as silly as people now that thought Jesus was talking about that time.
Have you read Luke's account?
In both matts and Luke's account it's the SAME "WHEN YOU SEE", the SAME "DESOLATION", and the "SAME TIME TO FLEE TO THE MOUNTAINS".
This is all behind us as scripture and history testify.
Actually I was talking about prophesy that still involves the future, not fulfilled prophesy. Your false accusation is noted.Actrually, the problem here is your false accusation that recognizing a prophesy as having been fulfilled means one doesn't believe in prophesy
Have you read Luke's account?
Luke 21:20-22
20 “But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation is near. 21 Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those who are in the midst of her depart, and let not those who are in the country enter her.
Scripture interprets scripture dad.
When did they see Jesus coming in power from heaven in clouds exactly?!This is all behind us as scripture and history testify.
Absurd to try to apply that to Jesus returning in power. That was just a small taste of things to come.It is in the historical record that the Jerusalem Christians remembered and heeded Christ's admonition as the predicted events were unfolding, fled Jerusalem, and were thus spared the ensuing horrors. Silly they weren't.
Consult the writings of the Jewish historian Josephus.
Absurd to try to apply that to Jesus returning in power. That was just a small taste of things to come.
You think they thought Jesus returned in the clouds in power then? Ha.Right on. The Jerusalem Christians were both silly and absurd. But I'm sure they didn't care.
They were alive.
You think they thought Jesus returned in the clouds in power then? Ha.
I don't know or care what they thought, Jesus was not in the clouds in power returning to earth then.They thought exactly and only what you think they thought.
You think they thought Jesus returned in the clouds in power then? Ha.
Despite your wishful thinking, it is absurd to think that men full of the Holy Ghost with sound minds would have thought they saw Christ returning in power and glory on clouds from heaven.They would have thought nothing else BUT that!
They were well versed in Scripture actually frequently quoting prophets like Isaiah. They also spent years with Jesus.For they, unlike you, were intimately familiar with the use of such apocalyptic language and how it was to be properly interpreted.
Nonsense.Just as God came in the clouds in power and glory MULTIPLE TIMES through the Old Testament to bring judgement upon individual nations, Christ The Cornerstone, lord of the vineyard, came and crushed the wicked men to powder, (Matthew 21:33-45) and the remnant escaped by recognizing the time to flee, JUST AS THEIR MASTER INSTRUCTED THEM TO. (Luke 21:20-22)
I believe that some of the things that are sure signs are the increasing unexplained events in the sky, combined with the confusion with what is true....With everyone having a camera and video recorder in their phone, we are seeing vast recordings and pictures of unusual phenomenon in the sky. Even including very loud unexplainable sounds.
Then, with the whole election in the states and since, it is apparent that nobody really knows which news is the truth and what is false. Not to mention that the CIA and FBI is now not trustworthy. No matter where information is coming from, we have no standard or datum set as to what is truth.
Knowledge is increasing at a phenomenal rate. Interest in the paranormal and dealings with the supernatural. Movies and entertainment that focuses on beings with super abilities and connections with other dimensional powers and worlds.
The other source of supernatural power is demonic. That's an important point to stress: if the paranormal activity is not of God, it is demonic. Period. There is no other type of paranormal activity and there is no neutral paranormal activity. There is God, and there are demons who want to destroy us.
Their kingdom was being taken from them
Despite your wishful thinking, it is absurd to think that men full of the Holy Ghost with sound minds would have thought they saw Christ returning in power and glory on clouds from heaven.
Or maybe he was a prophet. You do realize most of what are now called the messianic psalms were not known to be such before the time of Jesus? They thought it was talking about something local and long gone, when actually they were profound, startling prophecies.So again, you believe David was hallucinating when He saw God do these things during his battle with Saul?:
(2 Samuel 22:8-16)
8“Then the earth shook and trembled;
The foundations of heaven quaked and were shaken,
Because He was angry.
9 Smoke went up from His nostrils,
And devouring fire from His mouth;
Coals were kindled by it.
10 He bowed the heavens also, and came down
With darkness under His feet.
11 He rode upon a cherub, and flew;
And He was seen upon the wings of the wind.
12 He made darkness canopies around Him,
Dark waters and thick clouds of the skies.
13 From the brightness before Him
Coals of fire were kindled.
14 “The Lord thundered from heaven,
And the Most High uttered His voice.
15 He sent out arrows and scattered them;
Lightning bolts, and He vanquished them.
16 Then the channels of the sea were seen,
The foundations of the world were uncovered,
At the rebuke of the Lord,
At the blast of the breath of His nostrils.
So David was simply mistaken in your view?
Or maybe he was Lying?
I'm not looking for debate here.
I would rather we don't debate. I don't care if you are pre-trib, mid-trib, or post-trib.
Jesus said we ought to be watching for His coming, and He told us to watch for the signs.
What have you seen recently, that looks to you like a sign of the end?
Something that excited me today, was when I read about what the Jewish year 5777 means, to rabbis.
5 is the number of Grace.
And 7 is the number of completion.
And 3 repetitions means it's the hand of God at work.
Putting it all together, 5777 means, according to many Jewish rabbis, the year that God completes the work of Grace!
Ephesians 3:2-6 tells us that we are now living in the dispensation of Grace, which is the Gentiles being included in the body of Christ.
Of course, Jesus said there is a time in the future, when the times of the Gentiles will be fulfilled. Luke 21:24
And Paul said in Romans 11:
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in.
26 And so all Israel shall be saved...
Could this be the year? I am not setting a date... but I'm just wondering.
Watching, waiting, and wondering.
I remember how that in 1917, the Balfour Declaration was issued, opening the land of Palestine to Jewish settlement.
And exactly 50 years later, in the 6-day war, Israel gained control of Jerusalem.
This year, 2017... the year 5777 on the Jewish calendar... is exactly 50 years later.
I'm sitting on the edge of my seat!