How Hillary Clinton Lost the Election

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It's all those "lazy socialists" that support all those "hard working American Republicans"

That makes no sense what so ever.
Once again you have it backwards.
Best, you stay away from the Fake News channels.
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That makes no sense what so ever.
I know, that's why I've never understood why the Republicans keep pushing that same disprooven myth over and over again. I guess they believe if you tell a myth often enough you're bound to dupe a certain amount of voters with it. :)

Once again you have it backwards.
It's only appears to be backwards if you're running away from the facts as fast as possible. :wave:

Best, you stay away from the Fake News channels.
M-Bob
always do, that's why I tend to know when Republicans are trying to make up "facts" to confuse their base. ;)
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That would be true if the people didn't keep insisting the reason Sec Clinton lost was because people liked President Trump more then her. If that were true then why did she get almost 3,000,000 more votes then he did? You can't have it both ways. :wave:
tulc(is just asking for people to be a little more accurate is all) :)

Again, that's completely irrelevant. Still, I love to see Democrats bring that up time and time again. Heck, why not run Hillary again in 2020? What could possibly go wrong?
 
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Again, that's completely irrelevant. Still, I love to see Democrats bring that up time and time again. Heck, why not run Hillary again in 2020. What could possibly go wrong?
With any luck, the Democrats will come down off their elitist high horses and figure out away to speak to the working class which Trump pandered to and will inevitably betray. Bernie could have done it. Too bad he's so old.
 
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With any luck, the Democrats will come down off their elitist high horses and figure out away to speak to the working class which Trump pandered to and will inevitably betray. Bernie could have done it. Too bad he's so old.
Bernie could have done that if the DNC would have given him a shot instead of pushing Hillary on its base.

Why are you so certain Trump will betray the working class? Issues such as protectionism and securing the border are what unions have wanted for decades. Are you suggesting he'll fail on both counts?
 
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Bernie could have done that if the DNC would have given him a shot instead of pushing Hillary on its base.

Why are you so certain Trump will betray the working class? Issues such as protectionism and securing the border are what unions have wanted for decades. Are you suggesting he'll fail on both counts?
The unions and the working class are two different animals. What percentage of the working class is still unionized? No, he'll fail on the availability of jobs, pay and working conditions, access to health care and training, bread-and-butter issues like that which a bully boy foreign policy will not make up for.
 
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...No, he'll fail on the availability of jobs, pay and working conditions, access to health care and training, bread-and-butter issues like that which a bully boy foreign policy will not make up for.
The availability of jobs and pay are two of his major issues. If he doesn't make good on his promises to solve those problems, his presidency will be regarded as a failure.

Access to health care? So, that could get worse? How?
 
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The availability of jobs and pay are two of his major issues. If he doesn't make good on his promises to solve those problems, his presidency will be regarded as a failure.

Access to health care? So, that could get worse? How?
LOL! The question is, will it get better?
 
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LOL! The question is, will it get better?
It will never get better because the government will keep trying to "fix" it. Bear in mind, this is the same government that can't even get the Do Not Call Registry to work. How can we expect a government that can't keep "Sally from credit card services" from pestering me on my cell phone to tackle something as advanced as the national health care system?

Our government has very limited powers by design and simply cannot do certain things.
 
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Again, that's completely irrelevant. Still, I love to see Democrats bring that up time and time again. Heck, why not run Hillary again in 2020? What could possibly go wrong?
You do realize dismissing isn't refuting right? :wave:
tulc(just thought that should be pointed out) :)
 
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You do realize dismissing isn't refuting right? :wave:
tulc(just thought that should be pointed out) :)

Refuting what? That Clinton got more votes than Trump? Why bother refuting an easily provable fact?

Again, it just doesn't matter.
 
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Refuting what? That Clinton got more votes than Trump? Why bother refuting an easily provable fact?

Again, it just doesn't matter.
Then why make the claim she lost because "people liked him more then her!"? :scratch:
tulc(was just pointing out that's not actually true) :)
 
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Then why make the claim she lost because "people liked him more then her!"? :scratch:
tulc(was just pointing out that's not actually true) :)
I never made that claim. You feel compelled to mention it over and over again, however. My only claim is the fact Clinton won the popular vote doesn't matter one whit. Furthermore, it is impossible to say whether Trump could have swung the popular vote his way or not -- he was campaigning to win enough electoral votes to get in office and he did just that.

Let Clinton have her popular vote victory. That and about $5 will get her a cup of coffee at Starbucks.
 
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I never made that claim.
Really? Then how do square that with this:
(snip) Hillary Clinton lost because people detest her. Plain and simple. (SNIP)
which would seem to say she lost because more people didn't care for her then President Trump?

You feel compelled to mention it over and over again, however.
...only until people stop saying Sec Clinton lost because more people liked her less then President Trump. :wave:

My only claim is the fact Clinton won the popular vote doesn't matter one whit.
No, that's not your only claim because the above is also a claim you made. If you only intended to say "the popular vote doesn't matter a whit" you shouldn't have made the other claim and simply said that. :)

Furthermore, it is impossible to say whether Trump could have swung the popular vote his way or not -- he was campaigning to win enough electoral votes to get in office and he did just that.
Yes I've read that whole revisionist claim a number of times since he got so thoroughly trounced in the popular vote. I guess if it helps President Trump and the Republicans sleep at night? I say let them believe the myth that that's what they were doing. :D

Let Clinton have her popular vote victory. That and about $5 will get her a cup of coffee at Starbucks.
...not if she wants those 5 extra shots of espresso in her cup it wont...I'm just sayn'. :sorry:
tulc(has to have those extra shots) :clap:
 
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Yes, I know that Hillary Clinton won the popular vote. I'm all for doing away with the Electoral College. Yet that still leaves us with a serious question: Why did Hillary Clinton do so badly, even against a boorish opponent with no political experience? Why didn't enough people vote for Clinton to make the vote imbalances in a couple of states irrelevant?

Here is my theory. Look at the top people on the ticket. Shortly before the election, Hillary said that she would make Joe Biden Secretary of State in her Administration. Biden is certainly well known, having been a presidential candidate and Vice President for eight years.


Ticket: Candidates by occupation.


Hillary Clinton-President is a Lawyer.

Tim Kaine-Vice-President is a Lawyer.

Joe Biden-Secretary of State is a Lawyer.


In addition, Hillary's husband Bill is also a lawyer. Could it be that the American people don't want to be ruled by a triumvirate of lawyers? Mike Pence, Trump's VP, is also a lawyer but at least only one member of the ticket is a lawyer.

Another possible reason is foreign policy. Many people believe that Barack Obama's foreign policy is simply unacceptable. Hillary Clinton was Secretary of State under Obama for years. She seems to be in agreement with his foreign policy. She said nothing about changing it during the campaign. To top it all off, shortly before election day, she pledges to appoint Joe Biden, Obama's VP, as Secretary of State. It looks like more of the same in the foreign policy arena. No new ideas, no awareness of past failures, no sign of change.


What is Obama's foreign policy? Obama basically put America's allies on the back burner. Building up our allies and reassuring them of our commitment was a low priority. At the same time, Obama believed in making overtures to America's enemies and everyone else who wasn't a close ally. It certainly looks like Obama took American allies for granted and concentrated on trying to either persuade or deal with America's enemies. Whatever you think of this approach in theory, it looks like a disaster in practice.
As long as the democratic party pushes LGTBQTFMBZTQG agenda, they will LOSE LOSE LOSE.

I'm not afraid of LGBTQZFMBVTQGs, but as a parent, I don't want my sons or daughters being in a restroom with someone who THINKS God screwed up and put em in the wrong body.

NO.....He didn't. Their parents either pushed them into it by dressing their sons up like little girls....YES, IVE SEEN IT, or neglected their child, YES, it has been scientifically proven to increase the likelihood of same sex experimentation which like drugs and any other compulsion is difficult to come back from.

Point being......Marriage is a RELIGIOUS institution, something the US CONSTITUTION bans the government from carrying out, or instituting, and MARRIAGE should from now on, only be performed by member of clergy and filed as CIVIL UNIONS by the GOVT.

END OF ARGUMENT.

Special gender neutral restrooms should be built to allow confused children to use.
END OF ARGUMENT.

Also. As long as the L pushes to take guns from ppl, they'll not ONLY build up vast arsenals, but also change their political affiliation, which I know many dems who've voted R since Obama started talked gun control after Newtown.

I'd like to add on that note. Almost every single mass shooting in this country outside the sparse few terror attacks lately have been done by ppl taking or stopping thier taking of mind bending prescription drugs.

And until we address that, and admit that those, and the ppl on the KKK/Isis/Nazi terror watch lists should be scrutinized further, we're never gonna be able to stop the back and forth on the gun debate, and the dem's won't win and will not be able to recover.

Until then....God help us as Trump and Kushner look to begin the GT.
 
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tulc, you'd argue with a wall, wouldn't ya? What denomination are you? Contrarian?

I can easily square everything I've said (and, yes, I'm sure you'll argue about that as well). Yes, Hillary lost because she was an awful candidate who alienated voters who would have lined up behind virtually anyone else against Trump. By making reckless statements (i.e., "Republicans are my enemies," "people who vote for Trump are either deplorable or too stupid to vote for me" (that's a paraphrase, but go ahead and dissect that as you'd like), etc.), she actively drove voters away from her. Enough voters detested her that they would have voted for virtually anyone -- Trump, a first-gen Nintendo Gameboy, a Bengal tiger -- before they voted for Hillary. By antagonizing enough people in swing states into voting against Hillary, she handed the election to Trump.
 
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tulc, you'd argue with a wall, wouldn't ya? What denomination are you? Contrarian?

I can easily square everything I've said (and, yes, I'm sure you'll argue about that as well). Yes, Hillary lost because she was an awful candidate who alienated voters who would have lined up behind virtually anyone else against Trump. By making reckless statements (i.e., "Republicans are my enemies," "people who vote for Trump are either deplorable or too stupid to vote for me" (that's a paraphrase, but go ahead and dissect that as you'd like), etc.), she actively drove voters away from her. Enough voters detested her that they would have voted for virtually anyone -- Trump, a first-gen Nintendo Gameboy, a Bengal tiger -- before they voted for Hillary. By antagonizing enough people in swing states into voting against Hillary, she handed the election to Trump.
...it would appear someone's a little unclear about how a discussion board works. :sorry:
tulc(would note she managed to still get almost 3,000,000 more Americans to vote for her then President Trump did) :D
 
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And so, what country that you reside in, Huhmmm?







For the record, I live in Florida, a place often targeted by rightist radio as a place where supposedly millions of illegals vote with impunity. Again, where I live, the Elections Supervisor, who is a Republican, denies that illegals voting is a significant problem.
 
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I don't think that has anything to do with it. Hillary Clinton lost because people detest her. Plain and simple. Look at how badly she got clobbered in Arkansas and she lived her for a couple of decades. Truly, the more people know about her, the more they dislike and distrust her. She is quite awful. Had Joe Biden, Elizabeth Warren, Bernie Sanders or a mop with a bucket for a head run against Trump, that candidate would have won.

Full disclosure -- I, too, am a lawyer...




I have had bad experience with lawyers, both as an individual and in other capacities.
Lawyers take your money and leave you nowhere.
A lot of other people have had similar experiences.
As I have sometimes said, when did we ask to be governed by lawyers.
 
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It will never get better because the government will keep trying to "fix" it. Bear in mind, this is the same government that can't even get the Do Not Call Registry to work. How can we expect a government that can't keep "Sally from credit card services" from pestering me on my cell phone to tackle something as advanced as the national health care system?

Our government has very limited powers by design and simply cannot do certain things.


The reason that politicians won't stop robocalls and other telemarketers is that political parties and political action groups are among the worst offenders.

Disclosure: I got a robocall from Barack Obama ten minutes ago.
 
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