Flat Earth V.S Round Earth? (Also helio/geocentrism)

LordDuncanBurneWilke · Apr 6, 2017

YHWH_will_uplift said:
If you paid attention to anything I said I didn't bring up the teachings of men and bother to quote from them. I've been arguing from the Bible.

I was just responding to you saying salvation is dependent on the shape of the earth. I am still looking for the scripture where Jesus says that.

yeshuaslavejeff · Apr 6, 2017

Y'SHUA MESSIAH never spoke for HIMSELF - never defended nor even thought of defending HIMSELF (nor HIS 'position' -
Y'SHUA always spoke what the FATHER ABBA YHWH gave HIM to speak.

YHWH_will_uplift · Apr 6, 2017

christianpessimist said:
Can you prove that this isn't metaphorical? He is saying Christ is a spiritual light for people in spiritual darkness. He is spiritual life for people who are spiritually dead.

"And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever."
-Revelation 22:5

"The sun shall be no more thy light by day; neither for brightness shall the moon give light unto thee: but the YHWH shall be unto thee an everlasting light, and thy God thy glory."
-Isaiah 60:19

"He revealeth the deep and secret things:
he knoweth what is in the darkness,
and the light dwelleth with him."
-Daniel 2:22

"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day."
-Genesis 1:1-5

How can Light permeate and light all things at the end if it did not exist in the beginning? How can God have light and be light unless He always had it with Him? How could god call the light from Himself if there was no light in Him? Scripture is clear literally and figuratively that God is Light is Energy is Spirit is Life is Love.

expos4ever · Apr 6, 2017

YHWH_will_uplift said:
Read up on a dictionary which shows the etymology of a word. It's not that difficult.

You really have me stumped. How can you possibly not know that gravity can mean "an invisible force that attracts mass to mass?

From Merriam-Webster:

1a : dignity or sobriety of bearing a person of gravity and learningb : importance, significance; especially : seriousness the gravity of the offensec : a serious situation or problem
2: weight
3a (1) : the gravitational attraction of the mass of the earth, the moon, or a planet for bodies at or near its surface (2) : a fundamental physical force that is responsible for interactions which occur because of mass between particles, between aggregations of matter (as stars and planets), and between particles (as photons) and aggregations of matter, that is 10-39 times the strength of the strong force, and that extends over infinite distances but is dominant over macroscopic distances especially between aggregations of matter —called also gravitation, gravitational force — compare electromagnetism 2a, strong force, weak forceb : acceleration of gravityc : specific gravity

Lest ye try to dance out of this by changing your argument to one about etymologies, here is what you originally posted:

Do you know that the word gravity only means something that is very important? The word itself has nothing to do with some invisble force pulling objects.

You are claiming that the only meaning is "importance". This is clearly not true, and it is hard to believe you do not know this.

YHWH_will_uplift · Apr 6, 2017

LordDuncanBurneWilke said:
I was just responding to you saying salvation is dependent on the shape of the earth. I am still looking for the scripture where Jesus says that.

I made clear that to bear witness of hat the earth is without your testimony matching up with the direct and circumstantial evidence in the Bible's description of the earth: that one will be condemned.

YHWH_will_uplift · Apr 6, 2017

yeshuaslavejeff said:
Y'SHUA MESSIAH never spoke for HIMSELF - never defended nor even thought of defending HIMSELF (nor HIS 'position' -
Y'SHUA always spoke what the FATHER ABBA YHWH gave HIM to speak.

Wrong for He defended eating with unwashen hands, he defended and proved Himself to be the Messiah, He proved how doing good works on the Sabbath is not evil nor forbidden, He also defended the adulterous woman who was about to be wrongly tried without the man she committed adultery with. He also justified and defened his actions for driving out the money changers from the temple. He defended many things from scripture.

YHWH_will_uplift · Apr 6, 2017

expos4ever said:
You really have me stumped. How can you possibly not know that gravity can mean "an invisible force that attracts mass to mass?

From Merriam-Webster:

1a : dignity or sobriety of bearing a person of gravity and learningb : importance, significance; especially : seriousness the gravity of the offensec : a serious situation or problem

2: weight

3a (1) : the gravitational attraction of the mass of the earth, the moon, or a planet for bodies at or near its surface (2) : a fundamental physical force that is responsible for interactions which occur because of mass between particles, between aggregations of matter (as stars and planets), and between particles (as photons) and aggregations of matter, that is 10-39 times the strength of the strong force, and that extends over infinite distances but is dominant over macroscopic distances especially between aggregations of matter —called also gravitation, gravitational force — compare electromagnetism 2a, strong force, weak forceb : acceleration of gravityc : specific gravity

Lest ye try to dance out of this by changing your argument to one about etymologies, here is what you originally posted:

You are claiming that the only meaning is "importance". This is clearly not true, and it is hard to believe you do not know this.

Except the definition of gravity we are given does not adequately explain how gravity is so selective in what it pulls and how an object's gravity is able to selectively choose what it attracts and repels. Gravity seems like a desparate answer for any questions which would otherwise undermine false teachings from men.

LordDuncanBurneWilke · Apr 6, 2017

YHWH_will_uplift said:
I made clear that to bear witness of hat the earth is without your testimony matching up with the direct and circumstantial evidence in the Bible's description of the earth: that one will be condemned.

where did Jesus say that? He made it pretty clear what it takes to be saved. Still thumbing through the scriptures looking for where he mentions denying a flat earth cancels his grace.

YHWH_will_uplift · Apr 6, 2017

expos4ever said:
You really have me stumped. How can you possibly not know that gravity can mean "an invisible force that attracts mass to mass?

From Merriam-Webster:

1a : dignity or sobriety of bearing a person of gravity and learningb : importance, significance; especially : seriousness the gravity of the offensec : a serious situation or problem

2: weight

3a (1) : the gravitational attraction of the mass of the earth, the moon, or a planet for bodies at or near its surface (2) : a fundamental physical force that is responsible for interactions which occur because of mass between particles, between aggregations of matter (as stars and planets), and between particles (as photons) and aggregations of matter, that is 10-39 times the strength of the strong force, and that extends over infinite distances but is dominant over macroscopic distances especially between aggregations of matter —called also gravitation, gravitational force — compare electromagnetism 2a, strong force, weak forceb : acceleration of gravityc : specific gravity

Lest ye try to dance out of this by changing your argument to one about etymologies, here is what you originally posted:

You are claiming that the only meaning is "importance". This is clearly not true, and it is hard to believe you do not know this.

And if you scroll down further on the same page you will see the origins of the word gravity comes from the word grave.

expos4ever · Apr 6, 2017

YHWH_will_uplift said:
Please stop arguing from sarcasm as it does not give any credibility to your arguments or defense. If you have a problem then state it or point it out and argue.

j\
Here is what you posted:

Remember that energy cannot be created nor destroyed: therefore God cannot be create nor destroyed: therefore God is Energy.

More formally, your argument is this:

1. Energy cannot be created nor destroyed;
2. Therefore, God cannot be created or destroyed;
3. Therefore God is energy

(1) is true, but (2) certainly does not follow from (1); the fact that energy cannot be created or destroyed has nothing to do with the characteristics of God, unless you prove that God is energy.

But you have not done so.

YHWH_will_uplift · Apr 6, 2017

LordDuncanBurneWilke said:
where did Jesus say that? He made it pretty clear what it takes to be saved. Still thumbing through the scriptures looking for where he mentions denying a flat earth cancels his grace.

And what don't you get that I am not saying the earth is flat nor spherical: I said that if one is going to bear witness to these things then they must prove their witness to be true through testimony with direct or circumstantial evidence. The law says not to bear false witness and if we do, we sin: therefore if I made a claim about the earth and was found to not line up with scripture then I would be bearing false witness.

expos4ever · Apr 6, 2017

YHWH_will_uplift said:
Except the definition of gravity we are given does not adequately explain how gravity is so selective in what it pulls and how an object's gravity is able to selectively choose what it attracts and repels. Gravity seems like a desparate answer for any questions which would otherwise undermine false teachings from men.

This word salad has nothing to do with the fact that you made this patently false claim:

Do you know that the word gravity only means something that is very important? The word itself has nothing to do with some invisble force pulling objects.

This is clearly not true - gravity has several meanings include the force of attraction between masses. You clearly have stated otherwise.

YHWH_will_uplift · Apr 6, 2017

expos4ever said:
j\
Here is what you posted:

More formally, your argument is this:

1. Energy cannot be created nor destroyed;
2. Therefore, God cannot be created or destroyed;
3. Therefore God is energy

(1) is true, but (2) certainly does not follow from (1); the fact that energy cannot be created or destroyed has nothing to do with the characteristics of God, unless you prove that God is energy.

But you have not done so.

If it does not certainly follow then where is your evidence for God being able to be created and destroyed?

expos4ever · Apr 6, 2017

YHWH_will_uplift said:
And if you scroll down further on the same page you will see the origins of the word gravity comes from the word grave.

So what? You claimed this:

Do you know that the word gravity only means something that is very important? The word itself has nothing to do with some invisble force pulling objects.

This is not a claim about the origin of the term "gravity", it is a claim about what word means.

LordDuncanBurneWilke · Apr 6, 2017

YHWH_will_uplift said:
And what don't you get that I am not saying the earth is flat nor spherical: I said that if one is going to bear witness to these things then they must prove their witness to be true through testimony with direct or circumstantial evidence. The law says not to bear false witness and if we do, we sin: therefore if I made a claim about the earth and was found to not line up with scripture then I would be bearing false witness.

just not following you. sorry. nice chatting with you though. all the best good sir!

expos4ever · Apr 6, 2017

YHWH_will_uplift said:
If it does not certainly follow then where is your evidence for God being able to be created and destroyed?

I never made any such claim. The fact remains that your argument is invalid.

YHWH_will_uplift · Apr 6, 2017

expos4ever said:
This word salad has nothing to do with the fact that you made this patently false claim:

This is clearly not true - gravity has several meanings include the force of attraction between masses. You clearly have stated otherwise.

And yet all of these senses go back to the basic meaning of the word itself: something of great weight or seriousness.

expos4ever · Apr 6, 2017

YHWH_will_uplift said:
Type in gravity etymology in Google and you will see that it is Latin for weight or seriousness.

Look, you need to "come to Jesus" on this one and be honest. You are trying to rewrite history. Your initial claim about the word "gravity" had nothing to do with etymology but with present meaning:

YHWH_will_uplift said:
Do you know that the word gravity only means something that is very important? The word itself has nothing to do with some invisble force pulling objects.

expos4ever · Apr 6, 2017

YHWH_will_uplift said:
And yet all of these senses go back to the basic meaning of the word itself: something of great weight or seriousness.

Nonsense! Your post was about the current meaning, not the origin:

Do you know that the word gravity only means something that is very important? The word itself has nothing to do with some invisble force pulling objects.

You realize that lying is a sin, right?

YHWH_will_uplift · Apr 6, 2017

LordDuncanBurneWilke said:
just not following you. sorry. nice chatting with you though. all the best good sir!

Geez...if i said the earth moves when the Bible says that it stands still then I would be false; if I said that the earth is spherical when the Bible says that it is circular then I am false. I can't hang onto the teachings of the Bible and the teachings of the world.

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