Do you believe there are prophets today?

ImAllLikeOkWaitWhat said:

If you are who you say you are then thats pretty cool. Caught me by surprise I must say although I guess I shouldn't be too surprised. God bless you.

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Thank you and God Bless you I will be praying for you.

ImAllLikeOkWaitWhat said:

I find the very idea of there being prophets today not only unlikely but disturbing and misleading and harmful to people who believe these people are of God. The one person that I have in mind and there are many many more like this man, is Kim Clement. Just reading what he wrote here
is the most absurd thing I read yet thousands upon thousands of people really believe he was a real prophet of God. He made hundreds of prophecies and apparently one came true about trump which was some vague prophecy at the most. He also made some prophecy about eminem and stephen king which didn't come true. The stuff he spouts out of his mouth just seem to amount to nothing more than wishful thinking and false ideas that come out of his imagination.

There are countless others and too many to discuss, but if anyone here really believes there are actual prophets today please do tell.

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No. There are no prophets (future-tellers) today. All of God's Witness was revealed and secured in Jesus. Those preachers who identify themselves as such are missing the mark. I've been around long enough to watch future-telling come and go.

THE W said:

Giving accurate prophesies from God that God would then revoke would be different from a bogus prophesy that God never gave in the first place.

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Agreed in full.

THE W said:

The gift of being a prophet would operate in the same way as the gifts of administration and teaching. you have been given these gifts to use as you will. It's not a talent, but rather a supernatural attribute given you by the Holy Spirit.

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Not really. I believe all true gifts of God only kick in when there is need. I can teach the paper off a wall, and in an instant, but when there is a need. I speak in tongues as the Spirit leads me, but when there is a need. As the scripture says, "the Spirit makes intercession for us, with groanings..." meaning that when we are experiencing agony in time of need the Spirit kicks in to do a better job of communicating our needs to God than we can ourselves. You cannot use the gift of healing until there is a need. By contrast, the Spirit only uses prophets to prophecy when there is a need, such as when congregations or the church at large needs to be warned of some impending spiritual danger to them or whatnot.

You are correct. It is not a talent. But neither is it really a supernatural attribute. It, or rather HE, is actually an anointing that comes upon you, to do and speak as He wills.

And a false profit is when your ministry only ended you up in a $800,000 home... $200,000 away from being a real profit!

ImAllLikeOkWaitWhat said:

I find the very idea of there being prophets today not only unlikely but disturbing and misleading and harmful to people who believe these people are of God. The one person that I have in mind and there are many many more like this man, is Kim Clement. Just reading what he wrote here
is the most absurd thing I read yet thousands upon thousands of people really believe he was a real prophet of God. He made hundreds of prophecies and apparently one came true about trump which was some vague prophecy at the most. He also made some prophecy about eminem and stephen king which didn't come true. The stuff he spouts out of his mouth just seem to amount to nothing more than wishful thinking and false ideas that come out of his imagination.

There are countless others and too many to discuss, but if anyone here really believes there are actual prophets today please do tell.

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Well... unlike many in here, I believe God doesn't change. He wants to speak to people. He has used prophets down through the centuries, whenever people would be willing to listen and obey. He used prophets both before and after Christ.
In fact, the early church had prophets who operated quite freely. It's one of the gifts of the spirit to the church.
And being a Pentecostal, I believe that all the gifts once given were never retracted. They are still available and still in operation.
Including the gift of prophecy.

That said, I don't pay much attention to TV religious personalities. The Word says to know those who labor among you and are over you in the Lord... and there's just no way to know the lives of those who are on TV.

It was because of a prophet of God that I was convinced Pentecostalism was true.
As the Word says, the secrets of my heart were made manifest, and I confessed God was in him of a truth.
Another old prophet of God, who has died now, was one of the most humble, most gentle, and yet most amazingly accurate prophets I have ever known. He was not well-known, and served a very small church in North Carolina. He also held evangelistic meetings in a few other states. But mostly in small churches. But he was always spot-on.

God loves to speak. He spoke in times past by the prophets, and has in these last days spoken to us by his son... but he never stopped sending prophets, just because he has sent his Son. Otherwise, Agabus and those other prophets in Acts would have been counterfeits.

I have a feeling the real reasons you say "I find the very idea of there being prophets today not only unlikely but disturbing and misleading and harmful..." are basically because you have never seen the real deal... and you have been inoculated by teaching against it. Too bad. Because God would love to speak to you through as many routes as possible... but you've just eliminated one route He's allowed to use. Don't be surprised, though, if He breaks your rule, and sends a genuine prophet to speak to you.

rockytopva said:

And a false profit is when your ministry only ended you up in a $800,000 home... $200,000 away from being a real profit!

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Ha! Just eat your blasted popcorn! : )

Hidden In Him said:

Agreed in full.



Not really. I believe all true gifts of God only kick in when there is need. I can teach the paper off a wall, and in an instant, but when there is a need. I speak in tongues as the Spirit leads me, but when there is a need. As the scripture says, "the Spirit makes intercession for us, with groanings..." meaning that when we are experiencing agony in time of need the Spirit kicks in to do a better job of communicating our needs to God than we can ourselves. You cannot use the gift of healing until there is a need. By contrast, the Spirit only uses prophets to prophecy when there is a need, such as when congregations or the church at large needs to be warned of some impending spiritual danger to them or whatnot.

You are correct. It is not a talent. But neither is it really a supernatural attribute. It, or rather HE, is actually an anointing that comes upon you, to do and speak as He wills.

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Funny thing though... I see needs all the time, everywhere I go. I work in the health care industry, and am also a licensed minister... Every time I turn around, there's another need. Someone hurting, someone in pain, someone grieving, someone struggling, someone needing a touch from God. I find that every time I begin to pray, the tongues well up and overflow, and it's a full language, with emotion and force. I find that when I see a stranger walk into a waiting room in the hospital, all I have to do is to start a conversation, asking them how is life going for you right now... and it turns into an intense prayer time with them. It's amazing to see how the Holy Spirit just starts to take over, and lead the conversation, and people melt into tears, asking God for help.
There's a need, if we are willing to see it, and be used.

PollyJetix said:

Funny thing though... I see needs all the time, everywhere I go. I work in the health care industry, and am also a licensed minister... Every time I turn around, there's another need. Someone hurting, someone in pain, someone grieving, someone struggling, someone needing a touch from God.

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Solomon's Porch and I were just taking about that. There is so much ministry to do at times that it seems like you're are getting a bit overwhelming, and exhausted. Sounds like you are experienced at operating in the limits of what you can take more than I am.

PollyJetix said:

I find that every time I begin to pray, the tongues well up and overflow, and it's a full language, with emotion and force. I find that when I see a stranger walk into a waiting room in the hospital, all I have to do is to start a conversation, asking them how is life going for you right now... and it turns into an intense prayer time with them. It's amazing to see how the Holy Spirit just starts to take over, and lead the conversation, and people melt into tears, asking God for help. There's a need, if we are willing to see it, and be used.

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Thank you for sharing that. Nice having good examples to aspire to.

ImAllLikeOkWaitWhat said:

I have to respectfully and completely disagree with this statement that you can not speak in tongues on command. I do it all the time. When God has given you the gift of tongues you have the ability to use that gift whenever you want. The holy spirit does not take over your body like a demon and move your lips and vocal cords causing you to speak mysteries it is you who does it. I speak in tongues when I want however much and long I want and in what tonality and in what way I want. I don't know or control what comes out but I do know I control the actual act of pushing air through my mouth and out forming syllables. God gave us all this gift and we need to use it. And we can use it whenever we want.

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Yes, but when you pray in tongues in an instant, does it have the same "power and force" that Polyjetix was referring to as when you are much deeper into prayer, and engaging in what Paul called "groanings"? I could pray in tongues this instant, but all that would probably come out were something to the effect of meaning "Here I am just mumbling about this question I'm mulling over on this thread about true prophets... or is it profits..." : ) It wouldn't have any power in it.

Hidden In Him said:

Not really. I believe all true gifts of God only kick in when there is need. I can teach the paper off a wall, and in an instant, but when there is a need. I speak in tongues as the Spirit leads me, but when there is a need. As the scripture says, "the Spirit makes intercession for us, with groanings..." meaning that when we are experiencing agony in time of need the Spirit kicks in to do a better job of communicating our needs to God than we can ourselves. You cannot use the gift of healing until there is a need. By contrast, the Spirit only uses prophets to prophecy when there is a need, such as when congregations or the church at large needs to be warned of some impending spiritual danger to them or whatnot.

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this isn't how the prophets and healers of scripture operated. sure, they prophesied to people who needed prophesies and healed people who needed healing, but they did this as they saw fit as when Jesus sent out the 72 giving them the power heal and cast out demons(luke 10:17-20). that power was theirs to use, given to them by Christ.

there are still prophesies, healings, and other miracles, but no one who you can go to specifically and exclusively for these things.

THE W said:

They prophesied to people who needed prophesies and healed people who needed healing, but they did this as they saw fit as when Jesus sent out the 72 giving them the power heal and cast out demons (Luke 10:17-20). That power was theirs to use, given to them by Christ.

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Can't agree. You're assuming they did so "as they saw fit," but they failed in at least one instance (Mark 9:25-29). They needed to pray and fast more for an exceptionally difficult demon to be cast out, which indicates they needed a greater anointing of the Holy Spirit, does it not?

ImAllLikeOkWaitWhat said:

Either it is tongues or it isn't. I will say that speaking in tongues doesn't always leave you with that wow factor, but that doesn't make it any less real.

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It is tongues either way, and I can even agree with you that it is the Spirit interceding through you either way. But at the current time all I'm thinking about is the popcorn guy that keeps making jokes all the time. Who really cares if the Spirit is interceding for me about my terrible concerns about that?

PollyJetix said:

Funny thing though... I see needs all the time, everywhere I go. I work in the health care industry, and am also a licensed minister... Every time I turn around, there's another need. Someone hurting, someone in pain, someone grieving, someone struggling, someone needing a touch from God. I find that every time I begin to pray, the tongues well up and overflow, and it's a full language, with emotion and force. I find that when I see a stranger walk into a waiting room in the hospital, all I have to do is to start a conversation, asking them how is life going for you right now... and it turns into an intense prayer time with them. It's amazing to see how the Holy Spirit just starts to take over, and lead the conversation, and people melt into tears, asking God for help.
There's a need, if we are willing to see it, and be used.

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Throwing some support in on this one!

Speaking of prayer, I think I'm gonna check out and do some for real in a sec.

But keep going. I'm finding this interesting. I'll catch up with ya'll later.

Hidden In Him said:

Can't agree. You're assuming they did so "as they saw fit," but they failed in at least one instance (Mark 9:25-29). They needed to pray and fast more for an exceptionally difficult demon to be cast out, which indicates they needed a greater anointing of the Holy Spirit, does it not?

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and Jesus grieved the fact that they did not have faith in what they were given(matthew 17:17-20).

Changes from the Old Testament includes:

I Cor 12:1 - Paul is addressing believers -
"Pursue love, and earnestly desire the spiritual gifts, but especially that you may prophesy." "For in this way all will be able to prophesy one by one, with the result that all may learn and all be encouraged,"I Cor 14:1, 31

"On the other hand, the one who prophesies speaks to people for their edification, · encouragement, and consolation." I Cor 14:3

This is a constant from the Old Testament not to scoff at prophetic utterances (II Chron 36:16) and "do not scoff at prophetic utterances,." (I Thess 5:20). The change is "but test everything, hold fast what is good," I Thess 5:21 Do the prophetic utterances agree with Scripture? Also, recommend prayer and asking for confirmation as in Acts 9:1-20 especially v 11-12.

Also, one of Yahweh's promises is "And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:" Acts 2:17

Paul's advice to Timothy concerning personal prophecies included "This command I am entrusting to you, child Timothy, in accordance with the prophecies previously made about you, so that by them you might fight the good fight," I Tim 1:18

"...: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy." Rev 19:10

lismore said:

Hello Friend. I agree with your post up to a point. Hebrews 1:1 tells us that in former times God spoke through prophets but in these last days he has spoken through his son. Awesome stuff. However I would also take from Hebrews 1:1 that in the situation where the church has stopped listening to the Son, or in your example to the Holy Spirit, that would be when God would send a prophet. In my home town a prophet emerged in the 1530s, George Wishart by name who instructed the church to return to the truth of the gospel. He prophesied the coming and remission of an outbreak of the plague to Dundee. He suffered martyrdom for his preaching. All the best to you

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What about Jesus' words in Luke 11:29-32?

v30:

For as Jonah was a sign to the Ninevites, so also will the Son of Man be to this generation.

And then in v32:

The men of Nineveh will stand up at the judgment with this generation and condemn it, for they repented at the preaching of Jonah; and now something greater than Jonah is here.

If people won't listen to the Holy Spirit, they're not going to listen to any prophet.