Signs of the Times... what do you see?
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Men from every nation heard Peter preach the gospel (Acts 2:5,9-11,14); and Peter said it was published throughout Judaea (Acts 10:37, 1 Pet.4:6). Paul says he fully preached the gospel (Romans 15:19; 16:19), and it appeared to all men (Titus 2:11.), and it was preached and believed on in the world (1 Timothy 3:16). In Romans 10:18, the word "world" is oikumene, same as Mat.24:24, and the word "earth" is ge, same as Acts 1:8. In Romans 16:25-26, the word "nations" is ethnos, same as Mark 13:10. In Colossians 1:6, the word "world" is kosmos, same as Mark 16:15. In Colossians 1:23, the word "creature" is ktisis, same as Mark 16:15. Hebrews 4:2 says the gospel was preached.
The argument has been raised: "The apostles were saying that the Gospel had been preached to the world as they knew it, but the Gospel has to reach the world as we know it before Christ will return."
First, where does the Scripture speak of Christ's words being fulfilled during the twenty first century as we know it? This is the world's way of trying to make the Bible fit their view. Second, why would the apostles even mention the fact of the Gospel reaching its destination if there was no prophetic significance? All that would do is confuse those to whom they were writing. After all, their readers were perfectly aware that Christ had predicted His return once the Gospel had been preached in these areas. What other predictions were there besides those of the Lord? From the Scripture we can be certain that all these predictions regarding the destination of the Gospel were fulfilled.
Many today say that the gospel has not been preached to all the world and Matthew 24:14 has not yet been fulfilled. In Contrast, The Bible says that all the nations of the world heard the gospel preached before AD 70.
Who are you going to believe? To deny that Matthew 24:14 has been fulfilled is to deny the clear statements of God's Holy Word; it is to call God a liar.
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Well, I am not that refined. We have 2000 years of history in hind site to know the Jews were expelled from the land, and that they have come back, Israel a nation again and Jerusalem in the hands of the Jews - to know that Jesus's return is near. The other arguments are not going to over-ride that.
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Except that Today's "jews" have nothing in common with the pre desolation Hebrews.
The do not follow the law whatsoever and do not have their bloodlines so far as anyone knows.
Today's Jews are a Multi ethnic conglomeration of peoples who practice the post Christian religion of the Talmud. They do not have any connection to Abraham, Moses, Aaron etc.. religiously, politically or genetically.
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I'll say it again as loud and clear as I can.
ALL NATIONS with Jewish Populations were represented at that time.
Which is NOT the same as ALL NATIONS EVERYWHERE ON EARTH HAD A JEWISH POPULATION at that time.
Which would be what YOUR stated view of the meaning of ALL NATIONS in scripture would require.
Do you understand the difference?
I'll wear it proudly. See my last response.
Is the Prophesy of Noah's Flood "meaningless nothing" to you since it is HISTORY?
Is the Prophesy of the Virgin Birth "meaningless nothing" to you since it is HISTORY?
Oh, so Near means 1000's of years...
So when Jesus said this:
Matthew 24:33 So you also, when you see all these things, know that it is near—at the doors!
He meant:
So you also, when you see all these things, know that it is still thousands of years away!
If you say so...
Name a couple for us.
Ahhh... so did this Happen?
Revelation 3:3
3 Remember therefore how you have received and heard; hold fast and repent. Therefore if you will not watch, I will come upon you as a thief, and you will not know what hour I will come upon you.
Did Jesus already "come as a thief" to 1st century Sardis as He promised them He would?
Did this Happen?
Revelation 2:20-23
20 Nevertheless I have a few things against you, because you allowthat woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess, to teach and seduce My servants to commit sexual immorality and eat things sacrificed to idols. 21 And I gave her time to repent of her sexual immorality, and she did not repent. 22 Indeed I will cast her into a sickbed, and those who commit adultery with her into great tribulation, unless they repent of their deeds. 23 I will kill her children with death, and all the churches shall know that I am He who searches the minds and hearts.
Did Jesus come and send Jezebel into "Great Tribulation" and Kill Her & Children, or did He fail to follow through on that PROMISE as well?
Rather it is COMMON Hebraic Idiom and Poetic Metaphor, used throughout the Bible of God's multiple past comings in Judgement.
That Particular day was during the Maccabean period, as I stated.
There were many other That Day,"The Day" & The Day of the Lord judgments as well, For example, The desolation of Jerusalem by the Babylonians was a past "Day of the Lord." After it happened, the prophet Jeremiah tells us:
Lamentations 1:12
behold, and see if there be any sorrow like unto my sorrow, which is done unto me, wherewith the LORD hath afflicted me in the day of his fierce anger.
Lamentations 2:1
How hath the Lord covered the daughter of Zion with a cloud in his anger, and cast down from heaven unto the earth the beauty of Israel, and remembered not his footstool in the day of his anger
Lamentations 2:21
The young and the old lie on the ground in the streets: my virgins and my young men are fallen by the sword; thou hast slain them in the day of thine anger; thou hast killed, and not pitied.
Lamentations 2:22
Thou hast called as in a solemn day my terrors round about, so that in the day of the LORD'S anger none escaped nor remained
Note also that it was God who did the killing! Did anyone SEE Jehovah kill people? Was the prophet lying? Of course not. This is how the prophets spoke.
Furthermore, Ezekiel had foretold of this same Day of the Lord against Jerusalem which took place in the 500s BC, saying:
Ezekiel 7:19
They shall cast their silver in the streets, and their gold shall be removed: their silver and their gold shall not be able to deliver them in the day of the wrath of Jehovah: they shall not satisfy their souls, neither fill their bowels: because it is the stumblingblock of their iniquity.
And again, Ezekiel says of this same past Day of the Lord...
Ezekiel 13:2-5
Son of man, prophesy against the prophets of Israel that prophesy, and say thou unto them that prophesy out of their own hearts, Hear ye the word of the LORD; Thus saith the Lord GOD; Woe unto the foolish prophets, that follow their own spirit, and have seen nothing! O Israel, thy prophets are like the foxes in the deserts. Ye have not gone up into the gaps, neither made up the hedge for the house of Israel to stand in the battle in the day of Jehovah.
So, the destruction of Jerusalem in the 500s BC is just one example of MANY past day of the LORD events.
If you willfully ignore this set Biblical precedent for prophetic interpretation, your imagination can and will run wildly and you will come up with any number of fanciful, Hollywood style, interpretations as your mind can invent.
21:45
45 Now when the chief priests and Pharisees heard His parables, they understood that He was speaking of them.
You really make this too easy.
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To a degree, this is correct. However, the fact is: that after 100 generations + every person on earth now has at least some of Abrahams DNA.
The Jewish State of Israel exists because God wanted it to be there. He has helped them in their battles, there is no doubt about that. They are the visible entity of God's originally chosen people on earth. But we know from Bible teaching that even from the beginning, it was only people who truly believed in Him and who kept the Commandments, who were the real people of God. Now the true Israelites of God are those who have accepted the salvation offered by Jesus and keep His Commandments.
Re taking the Gospel to the ends of the earth: Matthew 24:14 The Gospel of the Kingdom will be proclaimed throughout the earth as a testimony to all nations and then the end will come.
Obviously 'the end' has not yet come, so thinking this was fulfilled in the first century, is wrong.
It is paralleled in Revelation 14:6-7...an angel is used as a metaphor to proclaim the Eternal Gospel, but as we know from the precedent of Luke 10:1-10, it will be the 144,000 who will go out in pairs to preach to every nation and kindred and tongue and people. Only then, the end of this age will come and Jesus will Return for His Millennium reign.
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With what I read you proved nothing, except you seemed confused.
I know Paul didn't teach the Gospel UNTO ALL THE WORLD and so does everybody else, but you. Did Nebuchadnezzar CONQUER all the WORLD like the Bible says? Know, it was a bad translation. You only have one speed, that is fast/high and in a hurry..........The English Translations have to be perfect, BUT........They aren't. Paul did not take the Gospel unto the whole world, that is something a 10 year old would figure out in about 5 minutes.
Don't tell a fib against the Holy Spirit. The word used for world was the Greek word Kosmos. Under the stars so to speak. Paul couldn't speak about that which he knew not of. Jesus clearly tells us when the Gospel shall be taken unto all the World, and its an End Time Event.
You are a betting man hey?
No, you just have a limited thought process and really think all translations are perfect.
No one with common sense thinks Paul took the Gospel unto all the World.
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Then I eagerly await your verse by verse rebuttal where you take each of my explanations and show me HOW they are wrong.
And the Holy Spirit, apparently....
In Romans 10:18, the word "world" is oikumene, same as Mat.24:24, and the word "earth" is ge, same as Acts 1:8. In Romans 16:25-26, the word "nations" is ethnos, same as Mark 13:10. In Colossians 1:6, the word "world" is kosmos, same as Mark 16:15. In Colossians 1:23, the word "creature" is ktisis, same as Mark 16:15.
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That would be an ALL DAY JOB.....But I gladly would, but I am not going to go to your site and transcribe it. If you want to post it here or in the Matthew 24 thread I would, but everything I saw was wrong.
No, you misunderstand the facts that the writer thought Europe/Asia Minor/Asia was it (THE WHOLE WORLD). That also was only a letter by Paul to the Colossians, why would you think a letter between two people(s)/party's is "OFFICIAL DOCTRINE" ? Think about it, Paul never intended it to be. It was a letter between him and some friends/Brothers.
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I'd rather not derail this thread any further lol... I'll check out the Matt 24 thread... and we can do it one section at a time so you don't feel so overwhelmed
And tell me how you know that's NOT what Jesus meant when he said that the Gospel will be preached to the whole "oikumene" (which in Greek means: Inhabited earth - Roman Empire) in Matt 24? Did Jesus not know that's what they would think?
Wait... are you saying Paul's letters were NOT for everyone of all time, but we're only applicable to the original receivers in the 1st century?
Careful.... you are starting to sound like a preterist
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Jesus stopped reading mid sentence when reading Isa 61.
The last part refers to His second coming, thousands of years later than the rest of the verse.
The Spirit of the Lord God is upon me,
because the Lord has anointed me
to bring good news to the poor;
he has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted,
to proclaim liberty to the captives,
and the opening of the prison to those who are bound;
to proclaim the year of the Lord’s favor,
and the day of vengeance of our God;
You get that?
As for Revelation, the events foretold vividly there are detailed and clearly only possibly fulfilled at the end of the world..when He comes again, and rules. To claim it is all in the past is time wasting foolishness and disrespectful of Scripture.
As for your attempts to exaggerate and latch onto instances where phrases are used that may not be meant to take too literally s some excuse to disrespect prophesy, sorry. No.
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He did.
Where does the Bible teach it would be thousands of years later?
"Just look around" in not an answer to that question.
You can either show where scripture teaches it, or you can't.
As scripture itself demonstrates, The events In Revelation are no less vivid than David's defeat of Saul?
Was David exaggerating?
If you allow for such OT phrases as "Yahweh rides on a cloud" and was "seen by the eyes of all nations" to be metaphor, you must then demonstrate where scripture teaches you to apply a polar opposite interpretation to NT phrases such as "He is coming on the clouds and every eye shall see."
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He did.
Where does the Bible teach it would be thousands of years later?
"Just look around" in not an answer to that question.
You can either show where scripture teaches it, or you can't.
As scripture itself demonstrates, The events In Revelation are no less vivid than David's defeat of Saul.
Was David exaggerating?
If you allow for such OT phrases as "Yahweh rides on a cloud" and was "seen by the eyes of all nations" to be metaphor, you must then demonstrate where scripture teaches you to apply a polar opposite interpretation to NT phrases such as "He is coming on the clouds and every eye shall see."
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Where does the Bible teach it would be thousands of years later?
"Just look around" in not an answer to that question.
You can either show where scripture teaches it, or you can't.[/QUOTE]
Just the fact that 2000 years HAS passed is enough to prove that time gap. God did not want it generally known how long it would be between Jesus' Advents.
However, we are given the clues in Hosea 6:2 and Luke 13:32, both say two 'days' between the first coming and the Millennium. A 'day' to the Lord, being 1000 years earth time. Psalms 90:4, 2 Peter 3:8
Dad; we can all see how you are battling with someone who uses denigration and scathing abuse in his rebuttals. His preterist view comes from his church, the very idea of what is prophesied to happen in the end times is an anathema to him. Revelation 17:15-18
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Where does the Bible teach it would be thousands of years later?
"Just look around" in not an answer to that question.
You can either show where scripture teaches it, or you can't.[/QUOTE]
Just the fact that 2000 years HAS passed is enough to prove that time gap. God did not want it generally known how long it would be between Jesus' Advents.
However, we are given the clues in Hosea 6:2 and Luke 13:32, both say two 'days' between the first coming and the Millennium. A 'day' to the Lord, being 1000 years earth time. Psalms 90:4, 2 Peter 3:8
Dad; we can all see how you are battling with someone who uses denigration and scathing abuse in his rebuttals. His preterist view comes from his church, the very idea of what is prophesied to happen in the end times is an anathema to him. Revelation 17:15-18
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Where does the Bible teach it would be thousands of years later?
"Just look around" in not an answer to that question.
You can either show where scripture teaches it, or you can't.[/QUOTE]
Just the fact that 2000 years HAS passed is enough to prove that time gap. God did not want it generally known how long it would be between Jesus' Advents.
However, we are given the clues in Hosea 6:2 and Luke 13:32, both say two 'days' between the first coming and the Millennium. A 'day' to the Lord, being 1000 years earth time. Psalms 90:4, 2 Peter 3:8
Dad; we can all see how you are battling with someone who uses denigration and scathing abuse in his rebuttals. His preterist view comes from his church, the very idea of what is prophesied to happen in the end times is an anathema to him. Revelation 17:15-18
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Where does the Bible teach it would be thousands of years later?
"Just look around" in not an answer to that question.
You can either show where scripture teaches it, or you can't.[/QUOTE]
Just the fact that 2000 years HAS passed is enough to prove that time gap. God did not want it generally known how long it would be between Jesus' Advents.
However, we are given the clues in Hosea 6:2 and Luke 13:32, both say two 'days' between the first coming and the Millennium. A 'day' to the Lord, being 1000 years earth time. Psalms 90:4, 2 Peter 3:8
Dad; we can all see how you are battling with someone who uses denigration and scathing abuse in his rebuttals. His preterist view comes from his church, the very idea of what is prophesied to happen in the end times is an anathema to him. Revelation 17:15-18
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I think drugs are an enormous issue. Seems the Bible should clearly warn us. Maybe it does. Anyone know? Wait. A thought just comes to mind: some drugs seem to be good, but do they help us believe in miracles from God?
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I think drugs are an enormous issue. Seems the Bible should clearly warn us. Maybe it does. Anyone know? Wait. A thought just comes to mind: some drugs seem to be good, but do they help us believe in miracles from God?
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