Signs of the Times... what do you see?

PollyJetix said:

Well, considering that with the Lord, 1000 years is as a day, and one day as 1000 years...
There have been about 6000 years since Creation.
2000 years would have been the last 1/3 of those years.

When the week has progressed beyond Wednesday, don't we freely say we are in the last part of the week?
The last days of the week kind of start after the midpoint, wouldn't you say?

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So when Jesus said:
"When you see all these things, know that is it near, even at the doors"
Matthew 24:33

He meant:
"when you see all these things, know that it is still thousands of years away"?

dad said:

It WILL come. Same day of the Lord.

Bingo! See the stars not shining!!? To claim that happened would be insanity.

The rest of your post seems to be more blatant out of context nonsense. Sorry.

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Tell me, after David defeated Saul (which I hope we can agree is already fulfilled and not future to us) He described that Battle this way: (2 Samuel 22:8-16)
8“Then the earth shook and trembled;
The foundations of heaven quaked and were shaken,
Because He was angry.
9 Smoke went up from His nostrils,
And devouring fire from His mouth;
Coals were kindled by it.
10 He bowed the heavens also, and came down
With darkness under His feet.
11 He rode upon a cherub, and flew;
And He was seen upon the wings of the wind.
12 He made darkness canopies around Him,
Dark waters and thick clouds of the skies.
13 From the brightness before Him
Coals of fire were kindled.

14 “The Lord thundered from heaven,
And the Most High uttered His voice.
15 He sent out arrows and scattered them;
Lightning bolts, and He vanquished them.
16 Then the channels of the sea were seen,
The foundations of the world were uncovered,
At the rebuke of the Lord,
At the blast of the breath of His nostrils.

Do you believe these things happened or was David simply hallucinating?

Did God come down to earth at that time, visibly seen upon a cherub, riding a cloud, shooting actual arrows at Saul's armies, bowing the heavens and laying the foundation of the entire earth bare, as He kindled fire with the breath of His nostrils?

Was David delusional?
Or did this actually take place the way David said it did?

parousia70 said:

So when Jesus said:
"When you see all these things, know that is it near, even at the doors"
Matthew 24:33
He meant:
"when you see all these things, know that it is still thousands of years away"?

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Isn't it obvious to you that 'the fig tree budding' happened in 1948, with the establishment of the State of Israel?
WE have seen it and now we know the end is near.

parousia70 said:

Was David delusional?
Or did this actually take place the way David said it did?

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2 Samuel 22:8-16 and Psalms 18:7-15 are identical prophesies and they await fulfilment. They describe the terrible Day of the Lord's vengeance and wrath; the Sixth Seal worldwide disaster by fire from the sun. Isaiah 30:25-30, Malachi 4:1
Your scoffing and scathing posts that attempt to throw all prophesy into the dustbin of history, fail miserably, because we all know these things did not happen in the past and we also know that now the world is ripe for judgement.
Not taking proper cognizance of what God has told us He plans to do, is stupidity and places us in the dark, 1 Thessalonians 5:1-5, just like all the unbelievers.

keras said:

Isn't it obvious to you that 'the fig tree budding' happened in 1948, with the establishment of the State of Israel?

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And all ancient nations were re established in 1948 as well, according to Luke? - the
Chaldeans, the Babylonians, the Hopi, the Myans, Aztec, the Souix, etc?

Luke 21:29-30
Then He spoke to them a parable: “Look at the fig tree, and all the trees. 30 When they are already budding, you see and know for yourselves that summer is now near"

2 Samuel 22:8-16 and Psalms 18:7-15 are identical prophesies and they await fulfilment.

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2 Samuel is ENTIRELY about Davids Defeat of Saul. But clearly you are too cemented in your ideology to accept even that plain scripture at face value..

Are you still waiting for the virgin Birth, life, death and resurrection of our savior? Since you apparently are arguing that ZERO prophesy has been already fulfilled in the past?

Are you Jewish?

JingshenBianxi said:

If that's the case, how can it be called a Holy Place?..it's not..it's a place of IDOLATRY.

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Holy means set apart for God. The temple to be built with that intent by the Jews will be dedicated to the worship of God. The term abomination of desolation - the desolation just means that there will be no worship and praise of the True God in the temple while the abomination is there.

There are actually two things that will make the temple desolate during that timeframe. One is the act of the person going into the temple, sitting, claiming to be God. That act is called the transgression of desolation in Daniel 8:13.

God has the person killed for that act. But in disdain for the person brings him back alive, at which time the image of him is made and placed in the temple. The image is the abomination of desolation.

Archivist said:

And people have been looking at signs and predicting that the end times are near for a very long time.

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All irrelevant....until Israel a nation again. And Jerusalem back in the hands of the Jews. Which the firm basis for learn a parable of a fig tree.

1967+70 years for a generation = 2037 minus 7 years, puts the beginning of the 70th week sometime between now and 2030.

keras said:

Isn't it obvious to you that 'the fig tree budding' happened in 1948, with the establishment of the State of Israel?
WE have seen it and now we know the end is near.

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keras, right idea, wrong identification of the fig tree. The fig tree is Jerusalem.

If you use 1948+70 years = 2018 minus 7 years, the 70th week would have had to begin back in 2011. Didn't happen. But Israel being a nation again is certainly a major major sign.

The fig tree is Jerusalem, 1967+70 years = 2037 minus 7 years, the 70th week begins sometime between now and 2030. Jesus cursed the fig tree by the road as he was about to enter Jerusalem, knowing Jerusalem would reject him as her King.

Douggg said:

The fig tree is Jerusalem, 1967+70 years = 2037 minus 7 years, the 70th week begins sometime between now and 2030.

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There is Jubilee chain that could be much more telling, and much more important than 70 years after 2067.

1517 - 1917 (8 Jubilees) starting from Jerusalem capture by Ottoman Empire
1917 - 1967 (1 Jubilee) starting from Jerusalem liberation from Ottoman Empire
1967 - 2017 (1 Jubilee) starting from Jerusalem recapture by Jewish people

It is quite a chain.

And 50 years after 1967 is very well within a generation.

There is also 120 years from inception of Israel state in 1897 until 2017. 120 years being time period God gave to people before the flood. And if this is year 6000, which is possible, this year would be 120th Jubilee.

HenryM said:

There is Jubilee chain that could be much more telling, and much more important than 70 years after 2067.

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A Jubilee year occurs every 49 years. Leviticus 25:8-11 The Fiftieth year is the first year of the next cycle.

Douggg said:

The fig tree is Jerusalem, 1967+70 years = 2037 minus 7 years, the 70th week begins sometime between now and 2030. Jesus cursed the fig tree by the road as he was about to enter Jerusalem, knowing Jerusalem would reject him as her King.

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So does the city; bricks and mortar Jerusalem have the ability to choose who rules it?
Jerusalem as used in your quote refers to the people; the Jews. They are also the fig tree that didn't bear fruit. Luke 13:6-9
The date the 'fig tree budded', when the Jewish people established a nation again, was May 14 1948.
And a lifetime, according to Psalms 90:10 is 70 years. Do the math; there is just over 1 year left!

keras said:

A Jubilee year occurs every 49 years. Leviticus 25:8-11 The Fiftieth year is the first year of the next cycle.

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I don't know why would you say that. This is God's word:

"Count off seven sabbath years—seven times seven years—so that the seven sabbath years amount to a period of forty-nine years. Then have the trumpet sounded everywhere on the tenth day of the seventh month; on the Day of Atonement sound the trumpet throughout your land. Consecrate the fiftieth year and proclaim liberty throughout the land to all its inhabitants. It shall be a jubilee for you; each of you is to return to your family property and to your own clan. The fiftieth year shall be a jubilee for you; do not sow and do not reap what grows of itself or harvest the untended vines. For it is a jubilee and is to be holy for you; eat only what is taken directly from the fields."
Leviticus 25:8-12

So, when 7x7 years, 49 years, pass, next year, 50th year, is Jubilee year. After complete Jubilee cycle (7x7+1=50) is completed, next cycle of 50 years (7x7 + 1) starts.

This is in accord with God's perfection of 120 Jubilees of His creation (6000 years on Earth, 120x50=6000):

"Then the LORD said, My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, because he also is flesh; nevertheless his days shall be one hundred and twenty years." (120 Jubilee years, 120 periods of 50 years, exactly 6000 years before Jesus Christ starts His reign on Earth for 1000 years, in 7th millenium)
Genesis 6:3

Jewish people concur:

"The reunification is celebrated by the annual Jerusalem Day, and Israeli national holiday. However, special celebrations are planned in 2017 to mark the Jubilee of the 1967 reunification."

So, to repeat, we have magnificent chain of Jubilee cycles, ending in 2017:

1517 - 1917 (8 Jubilees) starting from Jerusalem capture by Ottoman Empire
1917 - 1967 (1 Jubilee) starting from Jerusalem liberation from Ottoman Empire
1967 - 2017 (1 Jubilee) starting from Jerusalem recapture by Jewish people

HenryM said:

There is Jubilee chain that could be much more telling, and much more important than 70 years after 2067.

1517 - 1917 (8 Jubilees) starting from Jerusalem capture by Ottoman Empire
1917 - 1967 (1 Jubilee) starting from Jerusalem liberation from Ottoman Empire
1967 - 2017 (1 Jubilee) starting from Jerusalem recapture by Jewish people

It is quite a chain.

And 50 years after 1967 is very well within a generation.

There is also 120 years from inception of Israel state in 1897 until 2017. 120 years being time period God gave to people before the flood. And if this is year 6000, which is possible, this year would be 120th Jubilee.

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Hi Henry, the parable of a fig tree is what Jesus referenced in Matthew 24. What specific passage in the bible are you finding the jublilee year said to be associated with any particular event prophesied for the end times?

keras said:

So does the city; bricks and mortar Jerusalem have the ability to choose who rules it?
Jerusalem as used in your quote refers to the people; the Jews. They are also the fig tree that didn't bear fruit. Luke 13:6-9
The date the 'fig tree budded', when the Jewish people established a nation again, was May 14 1948.
And a lifetime, according to Psalms 90:10 is 70 years. Do the math; there is just over 1 year left!

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I did do the math. The 70th week cannot be fitted into 1 year. 2011 was the final year for the 70th week to start
if 1948 was the base years. It did not happen.

There were a number of combinations that could be put together - but all have fizzled except the 1967+70 years.

Here are three fizzled combinations...for the 70th week to have started.
1948+40 = 1988 fizzled
1948+70 = 2018 fizzled
1967+40 = 2007 fizzled

Jerusalem is a city. Of course it includes people. What is the New Jerusalem in Revelation 21 described as? Having walls and gates?

Douggg said:

Hi Henry, the parable of a fig tree is what Jesus referenced in Matthew 24. What specific passage in the bible are you finding the jublilee year said to be associated with any particular event prophesied for the end times?

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Fig tree symbolises Israel, and Jerusalem being recaptured by Jewish people is extremely high sign. Jerusalem is main Jewish city and the main city of the whole Bible. It is God's Earth city. Significance is above charts, because odds for this Jubilee to line up as it did, not on any city but on the city of the Bible, is astronomical.

But 2017 is not only about Jubilee. It's also about being year 5777, which is "year of perfect completion of age of grace".

It is also 120 years after conception of new Jewish state in 1897. (with 120 years also being very important God's number)

It is also 70 years, a generation, after UN approved creation of Israel state in 1947.

It is also the year with the sign from Revelation 12 in the sky, that comes on september 23th, and which only appeared in somewhat similar form about 6000 years ago.

I listened to a mathematician who calculated statistics for all big Biblical signs to end on 2017, as they do, and he came with number 10 with 24 zeroes after: 1 in 10000000000000000000000000. I don't know if his calculation is correct, but odds are off the charts anyway you slice it. It is big. This year seems to be a year when something big, or biggest, happens. I don't know if it will, but signs point to something like it.

HenryM said:

Fig tree symbolises Israel, and Jerusalem being recaptured by Jewish people is extremely high sign. Jerusalem is main Jewish city and the main city of the whole Bible. It is God's Earth city. Significance is above charts, because odds for this Jubilee to line up as it did, not on any city but on the city of the Bible, is astronomical.

But 2017 is not only about Jubilee. It's also about being year 5777, which is "year of perfect completion of age of grace".

It is also 120 years after conception of new Jewish state in 1897. (with 120 years also being very important God's number)

It is also 70 years, a generation, after UN approved creation of Israel state in 1947.

It is also the year with the sign from Revelation 12 in the sky, that comes on september 23th, and which only appeared in somewhat similar form about 6000 years ago.

I listened to a mathematician who calculated statistics for all big Biblical signs to end on 2017, as they do, and he came with number 10 with 24 zeroes after: 1 in 10000000000000000000000000. I don't know if his calculation is correct, but odds are off the charts anyway you slice it. It is big. This year seems to be a year when something big, or biggest, happens. I don't know if it will, but signs point to something like it.

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Is there a specific passage in the bible that directly speaks of the Jubilee year to any specific end times event? I think the answer you are giving me is "no". What we have to go by, to follow what Jesus said, is what Jesus said in Matthew 24 about learn a parable of a fig tree. We in this generation have all the information we need as it turns out because we have witnessed events fulfilled.

Jesus is coming and His reward is with Him.

Douggg said:

Is there a specific passage in the bible that directly speaks of the Jubilee year to any specific end times event? I think the answer you are giving me is "no". What we have to go by, to follow what Jesus said, is what Jesus said in Matthew 24 about learn a parable of a fig tree. We in this generation have all the information we need as it turns out because we have witnessed events fulfilled.

Jesus is coming and His reward is with Him.

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What are you saying? God is giving us, and you, these magnificent signs, that no generation have ever seen, as a gift to see and learn something, and you negate them completely because of your interpretation of parable of a fig tree?

PollyJetix said:

Could this be the year? I am not setting a date... but I'm just wondering.
Watching, waiting, and wondering.

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The rapture we don't know exactly any date or year. We can still be enthusiastic about it though, because the window for it happening is rapidly closing. Be patient, hopeful, and wait upon the Lord.

For the beginning of the 70th week, it is possible this year (2017) because there is still plenty of time left in the year for two preliminary events to take place - before the 70th week begins.

1st. the formation of the ten leader form of government for the EU and little horn.

2nd. the event of Gog/Magog, which immediately precedes the beginning of the 70th week.

HenryM said:

What are you saying? God is giving us, and you, these magnificent signs, that no generation have ever seen, as a gift to see and learn something, and you negate them completely because of your interpretation of parable of a fig tree?

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I am saying go by the bible, what Jesus says on the matter, and not our own innovations for criteria.

Douggg said:

I am saying go by the bible, what Jesus says on the matter, and not our own innovations for criteria.

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If you think that this year's signs are nothing, I'm almost loss for words. Those are all Biblical signs. You think God orchestrated them so we can brush them off?

When Daniel asks God what does prophecy concerning end time mean, God says:

"Go your way, Daniel, because the words are rolled up and sealed until the time of the end. Many will be purified, made spotless and refined, but the wicked will continue to be wicked. None of the wicked will understand, but those who are wise will understand."
Daniel 12:9-10

So God says that what's written in prophecy about end time cannot be understood until the end, and then signs that come out will be understood, but even then not by everybody. This is very powerful proclamation from God.

Listen, let's be wise and check our pride here. I can make a mistake, you can make a mistake, but if something is obivous it's obvious. Year 2017 is big.

Another Lazarus said:

When Jesus was fasting in the wilderness he was offered the whole kingdom of the world by the devil, Jesus refused it, the devil then went away to find other people who will prepare the world for its kingdom in the end times situation,
in the end times situation these people are known as :

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I think you need to look at the bankers instead. Buying and Selling - the beast will ultimately use the monetary system for control. He may have a banking background.