Sabbath And First Day

1watchman · Mar 24, 2017

A fundamental Bible truth

[The difference in a collective worship time in this age, between the biblical reference to Sabbath and the First Day of the week, can be understood by studying the Word of God in whole, I believe, which may help in viewing these special days. The following notations are also some statements from several sources. - R. L. DeWitt]

> The essential difference for Christians on this subject is found in understanding first that the Church is the "Bride" of Christ by a spiritual new birth (note John 3:36; Rom. 7:4; 2 Cor. 11:2; Eph. 5:25-32; 1 Pet. 2:2; Rev. 19:7-8; Rev. 22:17), and not by religious works and ordinances as the Old Testament religion of Israel; and this is firmly based on the truth of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus, who rescued real believers from eternal condemnation by rising on the first day of the week ---a new beginning; a holy day; a time set for worship and thanksgiving for what He accomplished by His sacrifice.

> Faithful Christians have always referred to the first day for collective worship as "the Lord's Day" for the first day of the week ---since "Sunday" is a pagan name (designation); and we are to be worshipping "in spirit and in truth" on that day (Jn 4:24; Acts 20:7). The apostle John spoke of the "the Lord's Day", and said that he was "in the Spirit on the Lord's Day" (Rev 1:10).

> Since Christ rose on the first day of the week, it is the Lord's Day for the Church (Bride of Christ) and commemorates His resurrection --- that great event in the history of mankind for hope and assurance (Mt 28:1; Mk 16:2; Lk 24:1; 1 Cor. 15:17-20). It is a designation of THE NEW BEGINNING from the original beginning in Genesis, and a new beginning after the Flood (AD 2448) and the days of the Israelites which followed. The first church gatherings after the dispensation (administration) of grace in circa AD 33 (Acts 2: 41-42) met on "the first day of the week" to "break bread" (Acts 20:7). The "Breaking of bread" is another term for the Lord's Supper. This was therefore a weekly remembrance time or collective communion at the Lord's Table (1 Cor 11: 23-34).

> The apostolic churches brought their offerings to God on "the first day of the week" (1 Cor. 16:2). Thus the Lord's Day ---the first day of the week, was the day of Christian worship in apostolic churches, and is also reportedly confirmed by Justin Martyr who lived in the first century and wrote about it.

> The Day of Pentecost was called "the morrow after the Sabbath". The Holy Spirit was sent down from Heaven on the day of Pentecost and about 3,000 souls were saved on "the first day of the week" (Acts 2). Thus it is also a day of Gospel preaching for the salvation of souls.

> Christ was worshipped on the first day of the week when He appeared to Thomas and showed him His hands and His feet (Jn 20:19-29). Thus this is also the day not only to remember His one great sacrifice for sins for ever, but to worship Him as our Lord and our God.

> Because of Christ's finished work of redemption, saints have entered into His eternal Sabbath (rest) ---NEW BEGINNING (Heb 4:9-11). Therefore the Sabbath is no longer to be observed on earth (Col 2:16,17) because the Jewish Sabbath was in regard to the creation beginning, and only a "shadow" of Christ's eternal rest.

> When a decision had to be made regarding the observance of the Law of Moses by Christians, there were just four commandments which were to be observed by Gentiles, and the Sabbath was not one of those commandments (Acts 15:1-31). This was a decision of the Holy Spirit.

> It is sad to see that evangelical and fundamentalist churches generally do not teach on the reasons why Christians worship on the Lord's Day, or why it should properly be called "the Lord's Day" and not a "Sun day". It is to be primarily a day of worship, but also a day for godly works such as preaching the Gospel message. Christ did good works on the Sabbath days, and our good works are really His good works through us (note Luke 6:1-5).

> Some thoughts to add: is the Sabbath (seventh day) for collective worship or is the Resurrection day for worship --victory?; 1 Cor. 16:2; Mt. 28:1; Mk. 16:2 and Mk. 2:27-28; Lk. 24:1. Sabbath was a day of rest for Israel; and they worshipped and sacrificed on certain days as given --not the Sabbath. It is worthy to note: we can see all of the principles of the Ten Commandments of the Old Testament are found in the New Testament for standards (not as law) to be kept, except the Sabbath, which was only for Israel ---which they were to keep to remember God's creation beginning at creation time. Thank God we have now a NEW BEGINNING in Christ for the Church universal. -RLD

Soyeong · Mar 24, 2017

1watchman said:
A fundamental Bible truth

Sabbath And First Day
[The difference in a collective worship time in this age, between the biblical reference to Sabbath and the First Day of the week, can be understood by studying the Word of God in whole, I believe, which may help in viewing these special days. The following notations are also some statements from several sources. - R. L. DeWitt]

> The essential difference for Christians on this subject is found in understanding first that the Church is the "Bride" of Christ by a spiritual new birth (note John 3:36; Rom. 7:4; 2 Cor. 11:2; Eph. 5:25-32; 1 Pet. 2:2; Rev. 19:7-8; Rev. 22:17), and not by religious works and ordinances as the Old Testament religion of Israel; and this is firmly based on the truth of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus, who rescued real believers from eternal condemnation by rising on the first day of the week ---a new beginning; a holy day; a time set for worship and thanksgiving for what He accomplished by His sacrifice.

According to Matthew 23:23, Jesus said that faith is one of the most important matters of the Law, according to Psalms 119:29, David asked God to graciously teach him His Law, and according to Romans 7:14, the Law is spiritual, so you are setting up a false dichotomy between the OT and NT. Jesus rose on the Feast of Firstfruits, so it was already a holy day set apart by God pointing towards Messiah's resurrection as the firstfruits of the dead.

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Faithful Christians have always referred to the first day for collective worship as "the Lord's Day" for the first day of the week ---since "Sunday" is a pagan name (designation); and we are to be worshipping "in spirit and in truth" on that day (Jn 4:24; Acts 20:7). The apostle John spoke of the "the Lord's Day", and said that he was "in the Spirit on the Lord's Day" (Rev 1:10).

The day of the Lord has a specific meaning in Jewish eschatology that refers to endtimes, so Revelation 1:10 is referring to the day that John was seeing in his vision, not to the day of the week that he happened to have his vision. For Jews, the day started in the evening, so meeting on the first day of the week began at Saturday evening at sundown. This means that in Acts 20, Paul spoke from evening until midnight, not from morning until midnight, and then left of Sunday morning to travel. Jews traditionally held a Havdalah service at the closing of the Sabbath, so that is likely what they were doing, which means that Acts 20:7 does not show that they met on Sunday morning and does support any sort of new tradition.

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Since Christ rose on the first day of the week, it is the Lord's Day for the Church (Bride of Christ) and commemorates His resurrection --- that great event in the history of mankind for hope and assurance (Mt 28:1; Mk 16:2; Lk 24:1; 1 Cor. 15:17-20). It is a designation of THE NEW BEGINNING from the original beginning in Genesis, and a new beginning after the Flood (AD 2448) and the days of the Israelites which followed. The first church gatherings after the dispensation (administration) of grace in circa AD 33 (Acts 2: 41-42) met on "the first day of the week" to "break bread" (Acts 20:7). The "Breaking of bread" is another term for the Lord's Supper. This was therefore a weekly remembrance time or collective communion at the Lord's Table (1 Cor 11: 23-34).

Again, breaking bread on the first day of the week would refer to a Saturday evening meal and nothing out of the ordinary. You can cite all sorts of verses about the bride of Christ and the importance of the resurrection, but you can't cite a single verse that says that the Sabbath got changed to Sunday. If you want to also worship on Sunday, then you are free to do so, but should not set aside the command of God for the sake of your tradition.

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The apostolic churches brought their offerings to God on "the first day of the week" (1 Cor. 16:2). Thus the Lord's Day ---the first day of the week, was the day of Christian worship in apostolic churches, and is also reportedly confirmed by Justin Martyr who lived in the first century and wrote about it.

The Bible prohibits buying and selling on the Sabbath, so Jews traditionally didn't handle money on the Sabbath, which means that the offering would be taken after the closing of the Sabbath on Saturday evening.

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The Day of Pentecost was called "the morrow after the Sabbath". The Holy Spirit was sent down from Heaven on the day of Pentecost and about 3,000 souls were saved on "the first day of the week" (Acts 2). Thus it is also a day of Gospel preaching for the salvation of souls.

The Torah was also given on Pentecost, and thus it is also a day to remember that we should obey what God commanded.

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Because of Christ's finished work of redemption, saints have entered into His eternal Sabbath (rest) ---NEW BEGINNING (Heb 4:9-11). Therefore the Sabbath is no longer to be observed on earth (Col 2:16,17) because the Jewish Sabbath was in regard to the creation beginning, and only a "shadow" of Christ's eternal rest.

If you take Colossians 2:16 by itself, then it is ambiguous as to whether Paul was saying not to let anyone judge them for keeping God's Feasts or for not keeping them, but if we look at the context, as well as keeping in mind the broader theme that we must obey God rather than man, then it becomes clear. In Colossians 2:8, the people judging them were teaching philosophy and empty deceit according to human traditions and to say that the Sabbath is not according to Christ when he is Lord of the Sabbath is absurd. In Colossians 2:20-23, Paul went into more detail about what the elementary principles of the world are, namely human precepts, self-made religion, asceticism, and severity to the body. So the Colossians were keeping God's holy days as commanded by God, they were being judged by those teaching human traditions, and Paul was encouraging them not to let any man keep them from obeying God. God's appointed times or rehearsals are important shadows that are extremely rich with teachings about the Messiah, about God's revealed plan of redemption, and about what we will be doing during the Sabbath rest of God in the Millennial reign, which we should not be quick to deprive ourselves of. If you're going to worship on a day, you might as well worship on the day that comes with all the blessings.

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When a decision had to be made regarding the observance of the Law of Moses by Christians, there were just four commandments which were to be observed by Gentiles, and the Sabbath was not one of those commandments (Acts 15:1-31).

If the requirement found in Acts 15:1 can't be found in the Law of Moses, then the requirement being discussed in Acts 15:1 was a man-made requirement, and was not in regard to whether Gentiles should follow the commands of the God that they follow. The issue was that according to Isaiah 45:25, all Israel will be saved, so a number of Jews mistakenly thought that Gentiles had to become Jewish proselytes in order to become saved, which involved circumcision, and which involved joining the group of people who agreed at Sinai to do everything Moses said (Exodus 20:19, Deuteronomy 5:22-28). Moses had the power to make authoritative interpretations of the Torah and by the 1st century those who had this power passed down to them were referred to as sitting in Moses' seat (Matthew 23:2-4) and it had become a large body of Jewish oral laws, rulings, traditions, and fences. So by agreeing to become circumcised, a Gentiles was agreeing to become a Jewish proselyte and to live as Jew according to all of the oral laws of the Pharisees, and doing all this in order to become saved. So it was the role of these Jewish oral laws that was being discussed in Acts 15:1 and Galatians.

In Matthew 15:2-3, Jesus was asked why his disciples broke the traditions of the elders and he responded by asking them why they broke the command of God for the sake of their tradition, namely Deuteronomy 4:2 prohibits adding or subtracting from God's Law. Jesus went on to say that for the sake of their tradition they made void the Word of God (Matthew 15:6), he quoted Isaiah 29:13 to say that they worshiped God in vain because they taught as doctrine the commands of men (Matthew 15:8-9), and he called them hypocrites for setting aside the commands of God in order to establish their own traditions. In Matthew 23:2-4, Jesus compared their traditions to being a heavy burden that they were placing on the people. Incidentally, you are doing precisely what Jesus criticized the Pharisees for doing here when you make void the Word of God that commands us to keep the Sabbath on the 7th day in order to establish your tradition of worshiping on Sunday. So these traditions were a big source of conflict between Jesus and the Pharisees and this conflict continued between the followers of Jesus and the Pharisees, which came to a head in Acts 15. In Deuteronomy 30:11-14, God said that what He commanded was not too difficult, and in 1 John 5:3, it confirms that the commands of God are not burdensome, so if Acts 15:10 was referring to God's Law rather than man's law, then they would have been in direct disagreement with God.

This was a decision of the Holy Spirit.

The Holy Spirit is God, the Law was given by God, the Spirit has the role of leading us in obedience to the Mosaic Law (Ezekiel 36:26-27), and all of the fruits of the Spirit are in accordance with the Mosaic Law while the works of the flesh that are against the Spirit are against the Law (Galatians 5:16-23), so the Spirit will not lead us to disobey God Law. Rather, if the Jerusalem Council did as you suggested by subtracting all but four of God's Laws, then they would have sinned in violation of Deuteronomy 4:2 and would have needed to repent. The Jerusalem Council did not have more authority than God so they could not countermand any of His commands, and had no authority to tell Gentiles not to obey any of them, and where they disagree, we must obey God rather than man. Furthermore, according to Deuteronomy 13:4-5, we can be confident that those who speak against obeying what God commanded are false prophets who are not speaking by the Spirit.

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Some thoughts to add: is the Sabbath (seventh day) for collective worship or is the Resurrection day for worship --victory?; 1 Cor. 16:2; Mt. 28:1; Mk. 16:2 and Mk. 2:27-28; Lk. 24:1. Sabbath was a day of rest for Israel; and they worshipped and sacrificed on certain days as given --not the Sabbath. It is worthy to note: we can see all of the principles of the Ten Commandments of the Old Testament are found in the New Testament for standards (not as law) to be kept, except the Sabbath, which was only for Israel ---which they were to keep to remember God's creation beginning at creation time. Thank God we have now a NEW BEGINNING in Christ for the Church universal. -RLD

Offerings were commanded on the Sabbath (Numbers 28:9), so it was not an exemption. The Sabbath was also the day that the priests cleaned out the temple, yet they were held innocent because they were doing God's work rather than their own. God's righteousness is eternal and unchanging, so the way to act according to His righteousness is also eternal and unchanging. If taking a particular action was in accordance with God's righteous standard before Christ, but after Christ that action is no longer according to God's righteous standard, then God's righteousness has changed, but He is the same yesterday, today, and forever.

According to Romans 9:6-8, Israel is made up of those who have faith in the promise. According to Ephesians 2:12-19, Gentiles were once separated from Christ, alienated from Israel, strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world, but through faith in the Messiah all of that is no longer true in that Gentiles are now no longer strangers or aliens, but are now fellow citizens of Israel along with the saints and members of the household of God. According to Jeremiah 31:31, the New Covenant was only made with the house of Judah and the house of Israel, so if you haven't been grafted into Israel through faith in Messiah, then you are not part of the New Covenant. However, the good news is that you have been grafted into God's chosen people, Israel, through faith in Messiah and have been set free from sinning in disobedience to God's Law, so you now get the joy and the divine privilege of living in obedience to the commands that God gave to Israel. The Sabbath is a joyous and precious gift from God that you should be thankful that you get the privilege of keeping, not something you should spurn in favor of your own tradition.

1watchman · Mar 25, 2017

You need to read again the paper posted, for it never said "the Sabbath was changed to Sunday" as you say. It clearly showed the Sabbath was a day of complete rest for the Israelites, and not for the Church in this age. The first day of the week is the Lord's Day, according to the Bible for true Christians. We are not part of the Israelite religion since the coming of Christ.

I think maybe your background is Messianic. Are you a Jew, friend? Even Jews need to embrace the Lord Jesus, the Christ of God.

Jeepneytravel · Mar 25, 2017

Jesus said He is Lord of the Sabbath day..not sunday the first day of the week.

1watchman said:
A fundamental Bible truth

Sabbath And First Day
[The difference in a collective worship time in this age, between the biblical reference to Sabbath and the First Day of the week, can be understood by studying the Word of God in whole, I believe, which may help in viewing these special days. The following notations are also some statements from several sources. - R. L. DeWitt]

> The essential difference for Christians on this subject is found in understanding first that the Church is the "Bride" of Christ by a spiritual new birth (note John 3:36; Rom. 7:4; 2 Cor. 11:2; Eph. 5:25-32; 1 Pet. 2:2; Rev. 19:7-8; Rev. 22:17), and not by religious works and ordinances as the Old Testament religion of Israel; and this is firmly based on the truth of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus, who rescued real believers from eternal condemnation by rising on the first day of the week ---a new beginning; a holy day; a time set for worship and thanksgiving for what He accomplished by His sacrifice.

> Faithful Christians have always referred to the first day for collective worship as "the Lord's Day" for the first day of the week ---since "Sunday" is a pagan name (designation); and we are to be worshipping "in spirit and in truth" on that day (Jn 4:24; Acts 20:7). The apostle John spoke of the "the Lord's Day", and said that he was "in the Spirit on the Lord's Day" (Rev 1:10).

> Since Christ rose on the first day of the week, it is the Lord's Day for the Church (Bride of Christ) and commemorates His resurrection --- that great event in the history of mankind for hope and assurance (Mt 28:1; Mk 16:2; Lk 24:1; 1 Cor. 15:17-20). It is a designation of THE NEW BEGINNING from the original beginning in Genesis, and a new beginning after the Flood (AD 2448) and the days of the Israelites which followed. The first church gatherings after the dispensation (administration) of grace in circa AD 33 (Acts 2: 41-42) met on "the first day of the week" to "break bread" (Acts 20:7). The "Breaking of bread" is another term for the Lord's Supper. This was therefore a weekly remembrance time or collective communion at the Lord's Table (1 Cor 11: 23-34).

> The apostolic churches brought their offerings to God on "the first day of the week" (1 Cor. 16:2). Thus the Lord's Day ---the first day of the week, was the day of Christian worship in apostolic churches, and is also reportedly confirmed by Justin Martyr who lived in the first century and wrote about it.

> The Day of Pentecost was called "the morrow after the Sabbath". The Holy Spirit was sent down from Heaven on the day of Pentecost and about 3,000 souls were saved on "the first day of the week" (Acts 2). Thus it is also a day of Gospel preaching for the salvation of souls.

> Christ was worshipped on the first day of the week when He appeared to Thomas and showed him His hands and His feet (Jn 20:19-29). Thus this is also the day not only to remember His one great sacrifice for sins for ever, but to worship Him as our Lord and our God.

> Because of Christ's finished work of redemption, saints have entered into His eternal Sabbath (rest) ---NEW BEGINNING (Heb 4:9-11). Therefore the Sabbath is no longer to be observed on earth (Col 2:16,17) because the Jewish Sabbath was in regard to the creation beginning, and only a "shadow" of Christ's eternal rest.

> When a decision had to be made regarding the observance of the Law of Moses by Christians, there were just four commandments which were to be observed by Gentiles, and the Sabbath was not one of those commandments (Acts 15:1-31). This was a decision of the Holy Spirit.

> It is sad to see that evangelical and fundamentalist churches generally do not teach on the reasons why Christians worship on the Lord's Day, or why it should properly be called "the Lord's Day" and not a "Sun day". It is to be primarily a day of worship, but also a day for godly works such as preaching the Gospel message. Christ did good works on the Sabbath days, and our good works are really His good works through us (note Luke 6:1-5).

> Some thoughts to add: is the Sabbath (seventh day) for collective worship or is the Resurrection day for worship --victory?; 1 Cor. 16:2; Mt. 28:1; Mk. 16:2 and Mk. 2:27-28; Lk. 24:1. Sabbath was a day of rest for Israel; and they worshipped and sacrificed on certain days as given --not the Sabbath. It is worthy to note: we can see all of the principles of the Ten Commandments of the Old Testament are found in the New Testament for standards (not as law) to be kept, except the Sabbath, which was only for Israel ---which they were to keep to remember God's creation beginning at creation time. Thank God we have now a NEW BEGINNING in Christ for the Church universal. -RLD

1watchman said:
A fundamental Bible truth

You may think it is Biblical truth you are quoting, but it is false understanding and false doctrine....Genesis 2 God created the seventh day of the week as a Holy day, upon which He rested, and blessed the day, and set it aside (sanctified) this day for Holy purposes...it is the only day given this status, before there were any Israeli's, Gentiles, Jews or whatever....the 1st day of the week has no Biblical signifance, and was never sanctified or commanded by God. The 1st day of the week remains only as a day brought to the world courtesy of the pagan based Roman religion, which decided, with satan's support to change the Holy day of God to the pagan based first day of the week.....The seventh day Sabbath day remains the only holy day in the New Covenant, and is part of the ten commandments...1st John says those who say they know Him and keep NOT His commandments are liars and the truth is not in them. Paul says in Hebrews 10 God says He will write His commandments on our hearts and minds and He will be our God, and we will be His people....
To take away or add to the word of God is considered blasphemous and totally from satan.

Sabbath And First Day
[The difference in a collective worship time in this age, between the biblical reference to Sabbath and the First Day of the week, can be understood by studying the Word of God in whole, I believe, which may help in viewing these special days. The following notations are also some statements from several sources. - R. L. DeWitt]

> The essential difference for Christians on this subject is found in understanding first that the Church is the "Bride" of Christ by a spiritual new birth (note John 3:36; Rom. 7:4; 2 Cor. 11:2; Eph. 5:25-32; 1 Pet. 2:2; Rev. 19:7-8; Rev. 22:17), and not by religious works and ordinances as the Old Testament religion of Israel; and this is firmly based on the truth of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus, who rescued real believers from eternal condemnation by rising on the first day of the week ---a new beginning; a holy day; a time set for worship and thanksgiving for what He accomplished by His sacrifice.

> Faithful Christians have always referred to the first day for collective worship as "the Lord's Day" for the first day of the week ---since "Sunday" is a pagan name (designation); and we are to be worshipping "in spirit and in truth" on that day (Jn 4:24; Acts 20:7). The apostle John spoke of the "the Lord's Day", and said that he was "in the Spirit on the Lord's Day" (Rev 1:10).

> Since Christ rose on the first day of the week, it is the Lord's Day for the Church (Bride of Christ) and commemorates His resurrection --- that great event in the history of mankind for hope and assurance (Mt 28:1; Mk 16:2; Lk 24:1; 1 Cor. 15:17-20). It is a designation of THE NEW BEGINNING from the original beginning in Genesis, and a new beginning after the Flood (AD 2448) and the days of the Israelites which followed. The first church gatherings after the dispensation (administration) of grace in circa AD 33 (Acts 2: 41-42) met on "the first day of the week" to "break bread" (Acts 20:7). The "Breaking of bread" is another term for the Lord's Supper. This was therefore a weekly remembrance time or collective communion at the Lord's Table (1 Cor 11: 23-34).

> The apostolic churches brought their offerings to God on "the first day of the week" (1 Cor. 16:2). Thus the Lord's Day ---the first day of the week, was the day of Christian worship in apostolic churches, and is also reportedly confirmed by Justin Martyr who lived in the first century and wrote about it.

> The Day of Pentecost was called "the morrow after the Sabbath". The Holy Spirit was sent down from Heaven on the day of Pentecost and about 3,000 souls were saved on "the first day of the week" (Acts 2). Thus it is also a day of Gospel preaching for the salvation of souls.

> Christ was worshipped on the first day of the week when He appeared to Thomas and showed him His hands and His feet (Jn 20:19-29). Thus this is also the day not only to remember His one great sacrifice for sins for ever, but to worship Him as our Lord and our God.

> Because of Christ's finished work of redemption, saints have entered into His eternal Sabbath (rest) ---NEW BEGINNING (Heb 4:9-11). Therefore the Sabbath is no longer to be observed on earth (Col 2:16,17) because the Jewish Sabbath was in regard to the creation beginning, and only a "shadow" of Christ's eternal rest.

> When a decision had to be made regarding the observance of the Law of Moses by Christians, there were just four commandments which were to be observed by Gentiles, and the Sabbath was not one of those commandments (Acts 15:1-31). This was a decision of the Holy Spirit.

> It is sad to see that evangelical and fundamentalist churches generally do not teach on the reasons why Christians worship on the Lord's Day, or why it should properly be called "the Lord's Day" and not a "Sun day". It is to be primarily a day of worship, but also a day for godly works such as preaching the Gospel message. Christ did good works on the Sabbath days, and our good works are really His good works through us (note Luke 6:1-5).

> Some thoughts to add: is the Sabbath (seventh day) for collective worship or is the Resurrection day for worship --victory?; 1 Cor. 16:2; Mt. 28:1; Mk. 16:2 and Mk. 2:27-28; Lk. 24:1. Sabbath was a day of rest for Israel; and they worshipped and sacrificed on certain days as given --not the Sabbath. It is worthy to note: we can see all of the principles of the Ten Commandments of the Old Testament are found in the New Testament for standards (not as law) to be kept, except the Sabbath, which was only for Israel ---which they were to keep to remember God's creation beginning at creation time. Thank God we have now a NEW BEGINNING in Christ for the Church universal. -RLD

1watchman · Mar 25, 2017

Jeepneytravel said:
Jesus said He is Lord of the Sabbath day..not sunday the first day of the week.

You really need to see "all the counsel of God", for Jesus said in Matt. 12; Mk. 2; Lk. 14; Jn. 5 that He is Lord even of the Sabbath (all rest), not of the Sabbath Day as given for Israel to remember creation ---which Sabbath was done away with the advent of Christ. Refer to Heb. 4:1-11 and see how the Lord Jesus is our rest in general. You might see again the original paper, which is clear to me as very sound.

Jeepneytravel · Mar 25, 2017

Jeepneytravel said:
Jesus said He is Lord of the Sabbath day..not sunday the first day of the week.

You are spouting false doctrines some preacher told you..it is wrong..God created the seventh day as a Holy day, He rested, blessed the day and sanctified it...this Holy day is as much a part of Creation as human beings are...end of story..God changes NOT..as per Malachi....

But good news for you that are labouring under the falsehood that you don't have to keep God's word, you have free will...that is you can follow God or not....Hebrews 10.

Soyeong · Mar 25, 2017

1watchman said:
You need to read again the paper posted, for it never said "the Sabbath was changed to Sunday" as you say. It clearly showed the Sabbath was a day of complete rest for the Israelites, and not for the Church in this age. The first day of the week is the Lord's Day, according to the Bible for true Christians. We are not part of the Israelite religion since the coming of Christ.

I think maybe your background is Messianic. Are you a Jew, friend? Even Jews need to embrace the Lord Jesus, the Christ of God.

Sorry, the Sabbath being changed to Sunday is the position that people arguing against keeping the Sabbath on the 7th day often take. I agree that the Sabbath is a day of rest for Israel, but again according to Romans 9:6-8 and Ephesians 2:12-19, Gentiles become grafted into Israel through faith in Messiah. However, even if that weren't true, the fact that the command was given to the Israelites would not mean that it was meant Israelites to follow, and indeed there was a mixed multitude who went up out of Egypt with the Israelites who were also instructed to keep the Sabbath. Israel was intended to be a light to the nations to teach them how to serve God. Furthermore, the Greek word "ekklesia" is translated as "church" as is used in the Septuagint to refer to the Church of Israel in the wilderness, so that is when the Church Age began, which also means that the command to keep the Sabbath was given to the Church. As I pointed out, the 1st day of the week began at Saturday evening at sundown, and it was already a tradition to meet at the closing of the Sabbath, so if anything, Acts 20:7 means that we should be having a Havdalah service rather than any sort of tradition on Sunday morning.

I am technically a Jew and I agree that Jews need to embrace the Lord Jesus, the Christ of God. However, Jesus did not come to start his own religion, but was born a Jew, raised a Jew, became a Jewish rabbi, had Jewish disciples, is the Jewish Messiah, fulfilled Jewish prophecies, will return as the Lion of Judah, and came to bring fullness to Judaism. At its origin, Christianity was a sect of Judaism, but over time it became separated from the Jewish roots of its faith, with Jews following God's Torah, but not their Jewish Messiah, with Christians following the Messiah, but not God's Torah, and with both sadly following half the truth. The Torah is the way (Exodus 18:20, Deuteronomy 5:33, Deuteronomy 8:6, Deuteronomy 26:16-17, Deuteronomy 28:9, Isaiah 2:3, Jeremiah 6:16-19, Psalms 119:1, Matthew 3:3, Matthew 22:16), the truth (Psalms 119:142, Psalms 119:151, John 17:17), and the life (Proverbs 13:14, Matthew 19:17, Deuteronomy 30:15-20), Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life (John 14:6), the Torah is God's Word, and Messiah is God's Word made flesh, so trying to separate following one from following the other will leave you with only half the truth, which means that Gentiles also need to embrace the Jewish Messiah.

1 John 2:3-6 And by this we know that we have come to know him, if we keep his commandments. 4 Whoever says “I know him” but does not keep his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him, 5 but whoever keeps his word, in him truly the love of God is perfected. By this we may know that we are in him: 6 whoever says he abides in him ought to walk in the same way in which he walked.

John 14:23-24 Jesus answered him, “If anyone loves me, he will keep my word, and my Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him. 24 Whoever does not love me does not keep my words. And the word that you hear is not mine but the Father's who sent me.

If you believe that Jesus practiced what he preached, preached what he practiced, and that he practiced sinless obedience to the Mosaic Law, then you should think that is what he commanded. So even if he had said nothing, then he would have still taught obedience to the Mosaic Law by example and we are told that we ought to walk in the same way that he walked and to follow his example (1 Peter 2:21-22). Jesus did not teach his own religion, but rather his teachings were the same as the Father who sent him, and so if you love him, then you will follow the Torah according to his commands.

1watchman · Mar 26, 2017

You gave a fairly lengthy response, so I hope you will allow me to just comment within your letter, friend, rather than a whole new letter here.

Soyeong said:
Sorry, the Sabbath being changed to Sunday is the position that people arguing against keeping the Sabbath on the 7th day often take. I agree that the Sabbath is a day of rest for Israel, but again according to Romans 9:6-8 and Ephesians 2:12-19, Gentiles become grafted into Israel through faith in Messiah. [One cannot use the New Testament to justify what Israel did in the OT, but only to show it ALL was a type of what we now have in Christ as a new spiritual beginning, as the original paper herein showed. The saints today are grafted into the hope that Israel had for their Messiah and NOT into their typologies. The Church does not have a Messiah, but a Savior and Lord as given for the Church (Israel was not and is not part of the "Bride" of Christ, but we thank God that their Messiah is given as the hope of the whole world today. I think you need to see that, friend.]

However, even if that weren't true, the fact that the command was given to the Israelites would not mean that it was meant Israelites to follow, and indeed there was a mixed multitude who went up out of Egypt with the Israelites who were also instructed to keep the Sabbath. [Yes, anyone who sought to follow the Israelite religion (the "strangers" who came among them) needed to follow their religion. The Church was not given a religion, but a Savior to follow, obey, and love as Lord of our life in a personal way, and not after rituals, ordinances, etc. ---only the pure Word of God. I hope you will sometime get clear of trying to be a Messianic Jew and see Jesus, the Christ of God, as intended for the whole world; since the Israelite religion was ended at the Cross (note such as Matt. 26:65 which ended the OT priesthood, and Matt. 27:51 which ended the religion. The Savior is now the whole hope of mankind. Israel as a nation and people then will be restored in the Millennium time (note Heb. 8:7-10), and the faithful OT saints have been preserved in Hades and have been embraced by God for Heaven ---others among them are still there awaiting the end judgment in the "lake of fire, as all such rebellious souls). In the Millennium the new Israel will be an earthly people forever on the "new earth". Jews today (meaning also all Israelites) must come to Christ just as Gentiles to have any part in God. Let go of religion, friend, and embrace the new beginning in Jesus, the Christ of God for a faithful walk as a true "child of God"]

Israel was intended to be a light to the nations to teach them how to serve God. Furthermore, the Greek word "ekklesia" is translated as "church" as is used in the Septuagint to refer to the Church of Israel in the wilderness, so that is when the Church Age began, which also means that the command to keep the Sabbath was given to the Church. As I pointed out, the 1st day of the week began at Saturday evening at sundown, and it was already a tradition to meet at the closing of the Sabbath, so if anything, Acts 20:7 means that we should be having a Havdalah service rather than any sort of tradition on Sunday morning. [Well, I hope you will come to see this manner of reasoning is contrary to Bible truth, friend. You need help seeing what the Bible teaches for the Church and not such reasoning about the "ekklesia", which you have wrong. The Sabbath definitely was NOT given for the Church, as the orig. paper clearly showed. I hope the Lord will lead you away from those Messianic teachers (my hope and prayer for you). See my summary note below!]

I am technically a Jew and I agree that Jews need to embrace the Lord Jesus, the Christ of God. However, Jesus did not come to start his own religion, but was born a Jew, raised a Jew, became a Jewish rabbi, had Jewish disciples, is the Jewish Messiah, fulfilled Jewish prophecies, will return as the Lion of Judah, and came to bring fullness to Judaism. At its origin, Christianity was a sect of Judaism, but over time it became separated from the Jewish roots of its faith, with Jews following God's Torah, but not their Jewish Messiah, with Christians following the Messiah, but not God's Torah, and with both sadly following half the truth. The Torah is the way (Exodus 18:20, Deuteronomy 5:33, Deuteronomy 8:6, Deuteronomy 26:16-17, Deuteronomy 28:9, Isaiah 2:3, Jeremiah 6:16-19, Psalms 119:1, Matthew 3:3, Matthew 22:16), the truth (Psalms 119:142, Psalms 119:151, John 17:17), and the life (Proverbs 13:14, Matthew 19:17, Deuteronomy 30:15-20), Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life (John 14:6), the Torah is God's Word, and Messiah is God's Word made flesh, so trying to separate following one from following the other will leave you with only half the truth, which means that Gentiles also need to embrace the Jewish Messiah.

1 John 2:3-6 And by this we know that we have come to know him, if we keep his commandments. 4 Whoever says “I know him” but does not keep his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him, 5 but whoever keeps his word, in him truly the love of God is perfected. By this we may know that we are in him: 6 whoever says he abides in him ought to walk in the same way in which he walked.

John 14:23-24 Jesus answered him, “If anyone loves me, he will keep my word, and my Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him. 24 Whoever does not love me does not keep my words. And the word that you hear is not mine but the Father's who sent me.

If you believe that Jesus practiced what he preached, preached what he practiced, and that he practiced sinless obedience to the Mosaic Law, then you should think that is what he commanded. So even if he had said nothing, then he would have still taught obedience to the Mosaic Law by example and we are told that we ought to walk in the same way that he walked and to follow his example (1 Peter 2:21-22). Jesus did not teach his own religion, but rather his teachings were the same as the Father who sent him, and so if you love him, then you will follow the Torah according to his commands.

[As I said above, my prayers are for your new understanding of what God has shown us clearly, and not after the reasoning of men. I hope you will prayerfully re-read the orig. paper. I will leave you with this note. Look up always and seek God's mind and leading, friend. - Ever in Christ by grace alone --1watchman

1watchman · Mar 26, 2017

You gave a fairly lengthy response, so I hope you will allow me to just comment within your letter, friend, rather than a whole new letter here.

Soyeong said:
Sorry, the Sabbath being changed to Sunday is the position that people arguing against keeping the Sabbath on the 7th day often take. I agree that the Sabbath is a day of rest for Israel, but again according to Romans 9:6-8 and Ephesians 2:12-19, Gentiles become grafted into Israel through faith in Messiah. [One cannot use the New Testament to justify what Israel did in the OT, but only to show it ALL was a type of what we now have in Christ as a new spiritual beginning, as the original paper herein showed. The saints today are grafted into the hope that Israel had for their Messiah and NOT into their typologies. The Church does not have a Messiah, but a Savior and Lord as given for the Church (Israel was not and is not part of the "Bride" of Christ, but we thank God that their Messiah is given as the hope of the whole world today. I think you need to see that, friend.]

However, even if that weren't true, the fact that the command was given to the Israelites would not mean that it was meant Israelites to follow, and indeed there was a mixed multitude who went up out of Egypt with the Israelites who were also instructed to keep the Sabbath. [Yes, anyone who sought to follow the Israelite religion (the "strangers" who came among them) needed to follow their religion. The Church was not given a religion, but a Savior to follow, obey, and love as Lord of our life in a personal way, and not after rituals, ordinances, etc. ---only the pure Word of God. I hope you will sometime get clear of trying to be a Messianic Jew and see Jesus, the Christ of God, as intended for the whole world; since the Israelite religion was ended at the Cross (note such as Matt. 26:65 which ended the OT priesthood, and Matt. 27:51 which ended the religion. The Savior is now the whole hope of mankind. Israel as a nation and people then will be restored in the Millennium time (note Heb. 8:7-10), and the faithful OT saints have been preserved in Hades and have been embraced by God for Heaven ---others among them are still there awaiting the end judgment in the "lake of fire, as all such rebellious souls). In the Millennium the new Israel will be an earthly people forever on the "new earth". Jews today (meaning also all Israelites) must come to Christ just as Gentiles to have any part in God. Let go of religion, friend, and embrace the new beginning in Jesus, the Christ of God for a faithful walk as a true "child of God"]

Israel was intended to be a light to the nations to teach them how to serve God. Furthermore, the Greek word "ekklesia" is translated as "church" as is used in the Septuagint to refer to the Church of Israel in the wilderness, so that is when the Church Age began, which also means that the command to keep the Sabbath was given to the Church. As I pointed out, the 1st day of the week began at Saturday evening at sundown, and it was already a tradition to meet at the closing of the Sabbath, so if anything, Acts 20:7 means that we should be having a Havdalah service rather than any sort of tradition on Sunday morning. [Well, I hope you will come to see this manner of reasoning is contrary to Bible truth, friend. You need help seeing what the Bible teaches for the Church and not such reasoning about the "ekklesia", which you have wrong. The Sabbath definitely was NOT given for the Church, as the orig. paper clearly showed. I hope the Lord will lead you away from those Messianic teachers (my hope and prayer for you). See my summary note below!]

I am technically a Jew and I agree that Jews need to embrace the Lord Jesus, the Christ of God. However, Jesus did not come to start his own religion, but was born a Jew, raised a Jew, became a Jewish rabbi, had Jewish disciples, is the Jewish Messiah, fulfilled Jewish prophecies, will return as the Lion of Judah, and came to bring fullness to Judaism. At its origin, Christianity was a sect of Judaism, but over time it became separated from the Jewish roots of its faith, with Jews following God's Torah, but not their Jewish Messiah, with Christians following the Messiah, but not God's Torah, and with both sadly following half the truth. The Torah is the way (Exodus 18:20, Deuteronomy 5:33, Deuteronomy 8:6, Deuteronomy 26:16-17, Deuteronomy 28:9, Isaiah 2:3, Jeremiah 6:16-19, Psalms 119:1, Matthew 3:3, Matthew 22:16), the truth (Psalms 119:142, Psalms 119:151, John 17:17), and the life (Proverbs 13:14, Matthew 19:17, Deuteronomy 30:15-20), Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life (John 14:6), the Torah is God's Word, and Messiah is God's Word made flesh, so trying to separate following one from following the other will leave you with only half the truth, which means that Gentiles also need to embrace the Jewish Messiah.

1 John 2:3-6 And by this we know that we have come to know him, if we keep his commandments. 4 Whoever says “I know him” but does not keep his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him, 5 but whoever keeps his word, in him truly the love of God is perfected. By this we may know that we are in him: 6 whoever says he abides in him ought to walk in the same way in which he walked.

John 14:23-24 Jesus answered him, “If anyone loves me, he will keep my word, and my Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him. 24 Whoever does not love me does not keep my words. And the word that you hear is not mine but the Father's who sent me.

If you believe that Jesus practiced what he preached, preached what he practiced, and that he practiced sinless obedience to the Mosaic Law, then you should think that is what he commanded. So even if he had said nothing, then he would have still taught obedience to the Mosaic Law by example and we are told that we ought to walk in the same way that he walked and to follow his example (1 Peter 2:21-22). Jesus did not teach his own religion, but rather his teachings were the same as the Father who sent him, and so if you love him, then you will follow the Torah according to his commands.

[As I said above, my prayers are for your new understanding of what God has shown us clearly, and not after the reasoning of men. I hope you will prayerfully re-read the orig. paper. I will leave you with this note. Look up always and seek God's mind and leading, friend. - Ever in Christ by grace alone --1watchman

prodromos · Mar 27, 2017

The day on which Christ rose from the dead is not the first day, rather it is the eighth day, a new day without sunset, the new day of the Lord which is eternal, breaking out of the endless cycle of seven days.
Have a bit of a read through the Old Testament and discover the significance of the eighth day.

Jeepneytravel · Mar 27, 2017

1watchman said:
You need to read again the paper posted, for it never said "the Sabbath was changed to Sunday" as you say. It clearly showed the Sabbath was a day of complete rest for the Israelites, and not for the Church in this age. The first day of the week is the Lord's Day, according to the Bible for true Christians. We are not part of the Israelite religion since the coming of Christ.

I think maybe your background is Messianic. Are you a Jew, friend? Even Jews need to embrace the Lord Jesus, the Christ of God.

You are confused....the first day of the week is non Biblical tradition started by the pagan based Roman religious system and has nothing to do with true Christianity..
The only truly Holy day in the Bible is the seventh day Sabbath which God created at Creation, on the seventh day Genesis 2..and codified it as the fourth commandment in the Ten commandments Exodus 20...true Christians will follow God's word over pagan traditions and keep His seventh day as a Holy day....
But I got good news for you God gave us free will to follow Him and His word, or follow the traditions of man on the wide path that leads to destruction.

toLiJC · Mar 27, 2017

1watchman said:
A fundamental Bible truth

Sabbath And First Day
[The difference in a collective worship time in this age, between the biblical reference to Sabbath and the First Day of the week, can be understood by studying the Word of God in whole, I believe, which may help in viewing these special days. The following notations are also some statements from several sources. - R. L. DeWitt]

> The essential difference for Christians on this subject is found in understanding first that the Church is the "Bride" of Christ by a spiritual new birth (note John 3:36; Rom. 7:4; 2 Cor. 11:2; Eph. 5:25-32; 1 Pet. 2:2; Rev. 19:7-8; Rev. 22:17), and not by religious works and ordinances as the Old Testament religion of Israel; and this is firmly based on the truth of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus, who rescued real believers from eternal condemnation by rising on the first day of the week ---a new beginning; a holy day; a time set for worship and thanksgiving for what He accomplished by His sacrifice.

> Faithful Christians have always referred to the first day for collective worship as "the Lord's Day" for the first day of the week ---since "Sunday" is a pagan name (designation); and we are to be worshipping "in spirit and in truth" on that day (Jn 4:24; Acts 20:7). The apostle John spoke of the "the Lord's Day", and said that he was "in the Spirit on the Lord's Day" (Rev 1:10).

> Since Christ rose on the first day of the week, it is the Lord's Day for the Church (Bride of Christ) and commemorates His resurrection --- that great event in the history of mankind for hope and assurance (Mt 28:1; Mk 16:2; Lk 24:1; 1 Cor. 15:17-20). It is a designation of THE NEW BEGINNING from the original beginning in Genesis, and a new beginning after the Flood (AD 2448) and the days of the Israelites which followed. The first church gatherings after the dispensation (administration) of grace in circa AD 33 (Acts 2: 41-42) met on "the first day of the week" to "break bread" (Acts 20:7). The "Breaking of bread" is another term for the Lord's Supper. This was therefore a weekly remembrance time or collective communion at the Lord's Table (1 Cor 11: 23-34).

> The apostolic churches brought their offerings to God on "the first day of the week" (1 Cor. 16:2). Thus the Lord's Day ---the first day of the week, was the day of Christian worship in apostolic churches, and is also reportedly confirmed by Justin Martyr who lived in the first century and wrote about it.

> The Day of Pentecost was called "the morrow after the Sabbath". The Holy Spirit was sent down from Heaven on the day of Pentecost and about 3,000 souls were saved on "the first day of the week" (Acts 2). Thus it is also a day of Gospel preaching for the salvation of souls.

> Christ was worshipped on the first day of the week when He appeared to Thomas and showed him His hands and His feet (Jn 20:19-29). Thus this is also the day not only to remember His one great sacrifice for sins for ever, but to worship Him as our Lord and our God.

> Because of Christ's finished work of redemption, saints have entered into His eternal Sabbath (rest) ---NEW BEGINNING (Heb 4:9-11). Therefore the Sabbath is no longer to be observed on earth (Col 2:16,17) because the Jewish Sabbath was in regard to the creation beginning, and only a "shadow" of Christ's eternal rest.

> When a decision had to be made regarding the observance of the Law of Moses by Christians, there were just four commandments which were to be observed by Gentiles, and the Sabbath was not one of those commandments (Acts 15:1-31). This was a decision of the Holy Spirit.

> It is sad to see that evangelical and fundamentalist churches generally do not teach on the reasons why Christians worship on the Lord's Day, or why it should properly be called "the Lord's Day" and not a "Sun day". It is to be primarily a day of worship, but also a day for godly works such as preaching the Gospel message. Christ did good works on the Sabbath days, and our good works are really His good works through us (note Luke 6:1-5).

> Some thoughts to add: is the Sabbath (seventh day) for collective worship or is the Resurrection day for worship --victory?; 1 Cor. 16:2; Mt. 28:1; Mk. 16:2 and Mk. 2:27-28; Lk. 24:1. Sabbath was a day of rest for Israel; and they worshipped and sacrificed on certain days as given --not the Sabbath. It is worthy to note: we can see all of the principles of the Ten Commandments of the Old Testament are found in the New Testament for standards (not as law) to be kept, except the Sabbath, which was only for Israel ---which they were to keep to remember God's creation beginning at creation time. Thank God we have now a NEW BEGINNING in Christ for the Church universal. -RLD

if the faith is not practiced right enough, and if the worshipers do not make righteous enough prayers and do not do enough for overall salvation in the true One, then sabbath is not kept

Blessings

overcomer · Mar 31, 2017

To add a few points to the discussion...
1. 7th day sabbath was sanctified at the end of creation. Sanctified means 'made holy'. It's therefore for the whole mankind, not for Jews alone.
2. Jesus kept the Sabbath.
3. Jesus when asked about the 70AD destruction and the end of time when believers have to fleet to the mountains, he said pray it not be on the sabbath day. It shows Sabbath is still binding for early Christians around 70AD and for the last days Christians.
4. After their master's death, the disciples rested the sabbath day before they went to retrieve his body on 3rd day.
5. The day of resurrection falls on the Feast of First Fruit which can fall on any day of the week from year to year. Jesus is the first fruit of resurrection. The Jewish economy was built around ministry of the Messiah. None points to sunday being sacred.
6. The disciples met to break bread on the first day of the week which is actually saturday evening after Sabbath for Havdalah service. The Jews today still meet the same manner.
7. Paul kept and preached to Jews and gentiles on the sabbath day.
8. Hebrew 4 9 there remains a sabbatismos for the people of God. 10 for he tha tis enter into his rest, he also has ceased from his own work, as God did from his.
When did God cease from his work? On sabbath after creation.
9. John received vision on the Lord's day (Rev 1:10). The early church writing testified this to be the 7th day sabbath, not Sunday.
‘…the seventh day being the Lord’s day (Rev 1:10).‘ ---The Apocryphal Acts of Paul, Peter, John, Andrew and Thomas(Ancient Text and Translation), p154.

prodromos · Mar 31, 2017

overcomer said:
Paul kept and preached to Jews and gentiles on the sabbath day.

Because this was the day most people would be gathered at the synagogue. If he preached on other days he would have reached far fewer people.

overcomer said:
9. John received vision on the Lord's day (Rev 1:10). The early church writing testified this to be the 7th day sabbath, not Sunday.
‘…the seventh day being the Lord’s day (Rev 1:10).‘ ---The Apocryphal Acts of Paul, Peter, John, Andrew and Thomas(Ancient Text and Translation), p154.

You've quoted one spurious work while many others testify to the Lord's day being Sunday.

prodromos · Mar 31, 2017

overcomer said:
Paul kept and preached to Jews and gentiles on the sabbath day.

Because this was the day most people would be gathered at the synagogue. If he preached on other days he would have reached far fewer people.

overcomer said:
9. John received vision on the Lord's day (Rev 1:10). The early church writing testified this to be the 7th day sabbath, not Sunday.
‘…the seventh day being the Lord’s day (Rev 1:10).‘ ---The Apocryphal Acts of Paul, Peter, John, Andrew and Thomas(Ancient Text and Translation), p154.

You've quoted one spurik
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You've quoted one spurious text while many others state that Sunday is the Lord's day.

overcomer · Mar 31, 2017

prodromos said:
Because this was the day most people would be gathered at the synagogue. If he preached on other days he would have reached far fewer people.

The assertion is that the christians keep the Sunday because Christ was resurrected on Sunday. My question was then where is the command of Christ or the apostles? None could be found in the scriptures.

You've quoted one spurik

Jesus said he is the Lord of the Sabbath, not Sunday. Thus John referred to the Sabbath as the Lord's Day. What spurious is the claim that Sunday is the Lord's Day which is but the tradition of men.

Soyeong · Mar 31, 2017

prodromos said:
Because this was the day most people would be gathered at the synagogue. If he preached on other days he would have reached far fewer people.

That's a cop out. Paul was straightforwardly keeping the Sabbath according to God's commands and in imitation of Messiah's example, with a gathering of people being a bonus. According to Acts 21:20-24, Paul took steps to disprove false rumors that he was teaching against the Law and to show that he continued to live in obedience to it. According to 2 Peter 2:15-17, Paul is difficult to understand, but those who are ignorant and unstable twist his words and fall into the error of Lawlessness, so even back then were twisting his words and actions against keeping the Law.

Soyeong · Mar 31, 2017

prodromos said:
Because this was the day most people would be gathered at the synagogue. If he preached on other days he would have reached far fewer people.

That's a cop out. Paul was straightforwardly keeping the Sabbath according to God's commands and in imitation of Messiah's example, with a gathering of people being a bonus. According to Acts 21:20-24, Paul took steps to disprove false rumors that he was teaching against the Law and to show that he continued to live in obedience to it. According to 2 Peter 2:15-17, Paul is difficult to understand and those who are ignorant and unstable twist his words and fall into the error of Lawlessness, so even back then were twisting his words and actionmisinterpreting him as teaching against

overcomer · Mar 31, 2017

Here are some quotes 'straight from the horse's mouth' to demonstrate the fact that there is no scriptural authorization of the transference of sanctity from Sabbath to Sunday. It is rather the authority of the Catholic church by her ecclesiastical tradition.

"You may read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, and you will not find a single line authorizing the sanctification of Sunday. The Scriptures enforce the religious observance of Saturday, a day which we never sanctify." ---Cardinal Gibbons (for many years head of the Catholic Church in America), The Faith of Our Fathers (92d ed., rev.; Baltimore: John Murphy Company), p.89.

"Sunday is founded, not on Scripture, but on tradition, and is distinctly a Catholic institution. As there is no Scripture for the transfer of the day of rest from the last to the first day of the week, Protestants ought to keep their Sabbath on Saturday and thus leave Catholics in full possession of Sunday." Catholic Record, Sept. 17, 1893

"Q. Which is the Sabbath Day?

"A. Saturday is the Sabbath day.

"Q. Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?

"A. We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday." Peter Guierman, The Convert's Catechism of Catholic Doctrine (1957 ed.), p.50. Copyright 1930 by B. Herder Book Co., St.Louis.

"Nowhere in the Bible is it stated that worship should be changed from Saturday to Sunday." Martin J. Scott, Things Catholics Are Asked About (New York: P. J. Kennedy & Sons) p. 136.

"Q. Have you any other way of proving that the [Catholic] Church has power to institute festivals of precept?

"A. Had she not such power, she could not have done that in which all modern religionists agree with her; ... she could not have substituted the observance of Sunday the first day of the week, for the observance of Saturday the seventh day, a change for which there is no Scriptural authority." Stephen Keenan, A Doctrinal Catechism (3rd American ed., rev.; New York: T. W. Strong, late Edward Dunigan & Bro., 1876), p. 174.

"But the Protestant says: How can I receive the teachings of an apostate Church? How, we ask, have you managed to receive her teachings all your life, in direct opposition to your recognized teacher, the Bible, on the Sabbath question?" The Christian Sabbath (2nd ed.; Baltimore: The Catholic Mirror, 1893), p. 29, 30.

"If Protestants would follow the Bible, they should worship God on the Sabbath Day. In keeping Sunday they are following a law of the Catholic Church." Albert Smith (Chancellor of the Catholic Archdiocese of Baltimore), replying for the Cardinal in a letter of February 10, 1920.)

"It was the Catholic Church which, by the authority of JESUS CHRIST, has transferred this [Sabbath] rest to the Sunday in remembrance of the resurrection of our Lord. Thus the observance of Sunday by the Protestants is an homage they pay, in spite of themselves, to the authority of the [Catholic] Church." Louis Gaston de Segur, Plain Talk About The Protestantism of To-day (Boston: Patrick Donahoe, 1868), p. 225.

"Protestantism, in discarding the authority of the [Catholic] Church, has no good reason for its Sunday theory, and ought, logically, to keep Saturday as the Sabbath. ..." John Gilmary Shae, "The Observance of Sunday and Civil Laws for Its Enforcement," The American Catholic Quarterly Review, 8 (January, 1883), 152.

"The (Catholic) Church changed the observance of the Sabbath to Sunday by right of the divine, infallible authority given to her by her Founder, Jesus Christ. The Protestant, claiming the Bible to be the only guide of faith, has no warrant for observing Sunday. In this matter the Seventh Day Adventist is the only consistent Protestant." "The Question Box," The Catholic Universe Bulletin, 69 (August 14, 1942), 4.

"The Israelite respects the authority of the Old Testament only, but the [Seventh-day] Adventist, who is a Christian, accepts the New Testament on the same ground as the Old, viz: an inspired record also. He finds that the Bible, his teacher, is consistent in both parts, that the Redeemer, during His mortal life never kept any other day than Saturday. The Gospels plainly evince to Him this fact; whilst, in the pages of the Acts of the Apostles, the Epistles and the Apocalypse, not the vestige of an act canceling the Saturday arrangement can be found." Editorial, The Catholic Mirror (Baltimore), September 2, 1893.

"If the Bible is the only guide for the Christian, then the Seventh Day Adventist is right in observing the Saturday with the Jew." Bertrand L. Conway, The Question Box Answers (New York: The Columbus Press, 1910), p. 254.

"If you follow the Bible alone there can be no question that you are obliged to keep Saturday holy, since that is the day especially prescribed by Almighty God to be kept holy to the Lord." F. G. Lentz, The Question Box (New York: Christian Press Association, 1900), p. 98.

"The Sabbath was Saturday, not Sunday. The Church altered the observance of the Sabbath to the observance of Sunday. Protestants must be rather puzzled by the keeping of Sunday when God distinctly said, 'Keep holy the Sabbath Day.' The word Sunday does not come anywhere in the Bible, so, without knowing it they are obeying the authority of the Catholic Church." Canon Cafferata, The Catechism Explained, p. 89.

Father Conway: "If the Bible is the only guide for the Christian then the Seventh-day Adventist is right in observing the Saturday with the Jew. But Catholics learn what to believe and do from the Catholic Church, which in Apostolic times made Sunday the day of rest. ... Is it not strange that those who make the Bible their only teacher should inconsistently follow in this matter the tradition of the Church." Question Box Answers, an official publication of the Catholic Church.

Plain Talk: "The observance of Sunday by Protestants is an homage they pay, in spite of themselves, to the authority of the (Catholic) Church." Plain Talk about Protestantism of Today, by Msgr. Segur (RC).

John O'Brien, Ph.D., LL.D.: "But since Saturday, not Sunday, is specified in the Bible, isn't it curious that non-Catholics who profess to take their religion directly from the Bible, and not the Church, observe Sunday instead of Saturday? Yes of course, it is inconsistent; but this change was made about 15 centuries before Protestantism was born, and by that time the custom was universally observed. They have continued the custom, even though it rests upon the authority of the Catholic Church and not upon an explicit text in the Bible. That observance remains as a reminder of the Mother Church from which the non-Catholic sects broke away - like a boy running away from home but still carrying in his pocket a picture of his mother or a lock of her hair." Faith of Millions, pp. 543 and 544.

"Hence, the conclusion is inevitable; namely that of those who follow the Bible as their guide, the Israelites and the Seventh-day Adventists have the exclusive weight of evidence on their side, whilst the Biblical Protestant has not a word in self defense for his substitution of Sunday for Saturday." Catholic Mirror.

"The Church is above the Bible; and this transference of Sabbath observance to Sunday is proof positive of that fact. Deny the authority of the Church and you have no adequate or reasonable explanation or justification for the substitution of Sunday for Saturday in the Third - Protestant Fourth - Commandment of God." --- The Catholic Record, London, Ontario Canada, September 1, 1923

"Of course the Catholic Church claims that the change was her act. It could not have been otherwise as none in those days would have dreamed of doing anything in matters spiritual and ecclesiastical and religious without her. And the act is a mark of her ecclesiastical authority in religious things". ---Letter to Cardinal Gibbons, November 11, 1895, from C.F. Thomas.

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