Signs of the Times... what do you see?

I think the Revelation will be so spiritually revealed that it will explain why it will be the most horrific experience ever if you're not IN CHRIST. Everyone's looking for the tangible...when really the Truth may be revealed in the mirror. God will make His dwelling in THOSE who BELIEVE in His Son. With the PEOPLE He will now reside...not a building.

So in reading Revelations...I try to discern it in that way. The Mark of the Beast may very well not even be a LITERAL/Tangible mark...

In Genesis after Cain killed Abel the Bible says he was " marked " by God. Does it mean he had a sharpie mark on his head?...No...he was MARKED...because of his DEED.

Handmaid for Jesus said:

I agree. There is also hybridization, a mixing of human DNA with animal DNA. This verse deserves scrutiny as to who is they.Obviously it is someone not of the seed of men.
Daniel 2:43 And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.

Then it says, in the days of these kings...
Daniel 2:44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.

People shy away from Genesis 6 where the sons of God produced children with the daughters of men called Nephilim. But Lord Jesus said it will be as it was in the days of Noah.
Gen.6:4 The Nephilim were in the earth in those days, and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them: the same were the mighty men that were of old, the men of renown.

Ecc. 3:15 That which hath been is now; and that which is to be hath already been; and God requireth that which is past.

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People do indeed shy away from Genesis 6. I think this is attributed to many of the pastors refusing either out of ignorance, discernment or flat out willfully not teaching it. The Lord however is opening the eyes of those who love him and seek truth. Those who earnestly seek the Lord in his word are having their eyes opened while multitudes listen to sermons on prosperity every Sunday and how wonderful and blessed they are being frogs in the pot.

PollyJetix said:

I'm not looking for debate here.
I would rather we don't debate. I don't care if you are pre-trib, mid-trib, or post-trib.
Jesus said we ought to be watching for His coming, and He told us to watch for the signs.

What have you seen recently, that looks to you like a sign of the end?

Something that excited me today, was when I read about what the Jewish year 5777 means, to rabbis.
5 is the number of Grace.
And 7 is the number of completion.
And 3 repetitions means it's the hand of God at work.

Putting it all together, 5777 means, according to many Jewish rabbis, the year that God completes the work of Grace!

Ephesians 3:2-6 tells us that we are now living in the dispensation of Grace, which is the Gentiles being included in the body of Christ.

Of course, Jesus said there is a time in the future, when the times of the Gentiles will be fulfilled. Luke 21:24

And Paul said in Romans 11:
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in.
26 And so all Israel shall be saved...

Could this be the year? I am not setting a date... but I'm just wondering.
Watching, waiting, and wondering.

I remember how that in 1917, the Balfour Declaration was issued, opening the land of Palestine to Jewish settlement.
And exactly 50 years later, in the 6-day war, Israel gained control of Jerusalem.

This year, 2017... the year 5777 on the Jewish calendar... is exactly 50 years later.
I'm sitting on the edge of my seat!

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Do you think is numerology is bibical?

JingshenBianxi said:

I don't understand this whole rebuilding of the Temple when Jesus clearly made the temple meaningless. He no longer dwells in temples made by human hands so how then can the Anti-Christ go into a temple that isn't even HOLY simply because GOD isn't IN IT.

I believe the REVELATION may just in fact be the AntiChrist being revealed in all those who accepted him in their OWN TEMPLE..aka..body..and all these " men " will say they are GOD.

Shrugs..just a thought.

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The Jews who do not believe Lord Jesus is the Messiah will build a third temple.They will think to return to the animal sacrifices of old and refuse to accept the shed blood of Lord Jesus Christ. It will all be vanity, but it will be done, for it is written.

PollyJetix said:

Actually... the Bible passage that says God does not dwell in temples made with hands, is found in the Old Testament, at the dedication of Solomon's temple.
Solomon said it. 1 Kings 8:27-29

Now, Acts 7:47-49 refers to this, as Stephen preached to the Jews who were about to stone him.

But God never did dwell in an earthly Temple. The earthly Temple was only a reminder to humans of His presence, and it was a place for them to congregate to worship.

The New Testament passages about God living in us and walking in us are actually quotes from the Old Testament also.

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Exactly...so this place that the Anti-Christ will come in..that is apparently the HOLY PLACE...is clearly NOT...a literal building, right?

Handmaid for Jesus said:

The Jews who do not believe Lord Jesus is the Messiah will build a third temple.They will think to return to the animal sacrifices of old and refuse to accept the shed blood of Lord Jesus Christ. It will all be vanity, but it will be done, for it is written.

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If that's the case, how can it be called a Holy Place?..it's not..it's a place of IDOLATRY.

JingshenBianxi said:

If that's the case, how can it be called a Holy Place?..it's not..it's a place of IDOLATRY.

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As they will see when the Antichrist sits there demanding to be called God. Isn't it amazing how man thinks he is doing something to please God when what he is actually doing is loving the praise of man more than the praise of God.

Handmaid for Jesus said:

Isn't it amazing how man thinks he is doing something to please God when what he is actually doing is loving the praise of man more than the praise of God.

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No, it's not amazing. It's blasphemous. Disgusting. Nothing amazing about that at all.

2Timothy2:15 said:

I use to be convinced this clay and iron was Rome. But as more things unfold I am starting to think the mixing of clay and iron is actually transhumanism which is being pushed heavily. The idea of machines merging with men, chips being inserted in people, in their brains and so on. Pretty much everyone suspects that the mark will be RFID in nature. I think it goes a step further. I think (not saying I know for certain) that the beast is the system that will control this tech and the antichrist will sell this tech as once you get the chip you will not die, it will cure all disease and you will live forever and be like God...this is what he told eve and this is what he will tell people in the end, you will be like God, surely you will never die. When we look at this in light of scripture saying in Revelation that men will seek death and not find it....

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There was a dance called twister, it appears you are dancing with scripture with a private interpretation.

PollyJetix said:

But God never did dwell in an earthly Temple. The earthly Temple was only a reminder to humans of His presence, and it was a place for them to congregate to worship.

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Your statement is incorrect, I offer these verses to prove it incorrect.

Leviticus 16:2
And the Lord said unto Moses, Speak unto Aaron thy brother, that he come not at all times into the holy place within the vail before the mercy seat, which is upon the ark; that he die not: for I will appear in the cloud upon the mercy seat.

Exodus 25:22
And there I will meet with thee, and I will commune with thee from above the mercy seat, from between the two cherubims which are upon the ark of the testimony, of all things which I will give thee in commandment unto the children of Israel.
Numbers 7
89 And when Moses was gone into the tabernacle of the congregation to speak with him, then he heard the voice of one speaking unto him from off the mercy seat that was upon the ark of testimony, from between the two cherubims: and he spake unto him.
Numbers 8King James Version (KJV)
8 And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying

Exodus 30:35-37King James Version (KJV)
35 And thou shalt make it a perfume, a confection after the art of the apothecary, tempered together, pure and holy:
36 And thou shalt beat some of it very small, and put of it before the testimony in the tabernacle of the congregation, where I will meet with thee: it shall be unto you most holy.

Handmaid for Jesus said:

Ecc. 3:15 That which hath been is now; and that which is to be hath already been; and God requireth that which is past

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Why don't you use a translation that tells scripture that we can understand, without having to learn 16th century English?
Ecclesiastes 3:15 Whatever is has been already and whatever is to come has been already, with God summoning each event back in turn. REB. Even that trans is a little confusing and could be put better by just saying: What has happened in the past, will be repeated in the future.
God judged the world in Noah's time and Jesus says He will do it again. Wait for the Day!

I'm very interested in the signs. I see the violence in the streets as a big sign that this is the beginning if the end.

Original Happy Camper said:

There was a dance called twister, it appears you are dancing with scripture with a private interpretation.

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Based on what?

keras said:

Why don't you use a translation that tells scripture that we can understand, without having to learn 16th century English?
Ecclesiastes 3:15 Whatever is has been already and whatever is to come has been already, with God summoning each event back in turn. REB. Even that trans is a little confusing and could be put better by just saying: What has happened in the past, will be repeated in the future.
God judged the world in Noah's time and Jesus says He will do it again. Wait for the Day!

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Thank you Keras.

PollyJetix said:

Signs of the Times... what do you see?

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Jesus said that He is Lord of the Sabbath.

Jesus' words often (or always) have more than one meaning. One is obvious, and other(s) are deeper truth.

When Jesus says that He is Lord of the Sabbath, statement that's repeated in three Gospels (Matthew, Mark and Luke), Jesus tells us that He reigns on seventh day, as Sabbath is seventh day. And we know that Sabbath comes after six days of creation.

At the same time, we know that Jesus will reign on Earth for thousand years.

Isn't it interesting that we are about (or almost up to, or right at the) 6000 years of life on Earth, as God tells us through Bible.

What's before us is wrapping up of 6 millenniums, with 7th millennium to commence.

Since Jesus tells us that He is Lord of the Sabbath, or 7th day, and since we know that one day with God is like thousand years on Earth, and since we know that Jesus will reign on Earth for thousand years, it's easy to conclude that Jesus will reign in 7th millennium. He is the Lord of 7th millennium, while first six millenniums are, parallel to 6 days of creation, 6 millenniums of creation of full Church.

So, these are the end of days. The end of 6th millennium. The birth of the full complete Church.

This year is Jewish year 5777. But Jewish year doesn't take into account Adam before the fall, and also there are clues that some years (up to more than 200 years) in Jewish calendar are missing. With those years, or some of those years, our current year from Adam is even closer to 6000 year, if not just right to 6000th year.

So, not only are we at the end of days, but probably much closer most of us realizes. Maybe we are in the literal end of days.

With Israel reforming after almost 2000 years exactly 70 years ago (a generation), with Jerusalem getting into the hands of Jewish people exactly 50 years ago (a Jubilee) and with new state of Israel seed planted exactly 120 years ago (period same as a warning time given to Noah before the flood), and with other signs, all meeting in the fall of 2017, maybe this year is literal year in which tribulation and final days start.

P.S. By the way, even if 5777 year is not precise counting from year 1, it is our (wordly) official year, and God knows it. 5777 can be translated as a year of "perfect completion of the age of grace". Therefore we have God's number of perfect closure in current year, with Trump becoming president on the day he was 70 years, 7 months and 7 days old, with sign from Revelation 12 becoming completed in september 2017, at the feast of trumpets, which is the next feast in line for Jesus Christ to act upon, at least some highly unusual coincidences are happening. Maybe there are no coincidences here. Maybe this is it, people.

PollyJetix said:

I'm not looking for debate here.
I would rather we don't debate. I don't care if you are pre-trib, mid-trib, or post-trib.
Jesus said we ought to be watching for His coming, and He told us to watch for the signs.

What have you seen recently, that looks to you like a sign of the end?

Something that excited me today, was when I read about what the Jewish year 5777 means, to rabbis.
5 is the number of Grace.
And 7 is the number of completion.
And 3 repetitions means it's the hand of God at work.

Putting it all together, 5777 means, according to many Jewish rabbis, the year that God completes the work of Grace!

Ephesians 3:2-6 tells us that we are now living in the dispensation of Grace, which is the Gentiles being included in the body of Christ.

Of course, Jesus said there is a time in the future, when the times of the Gentiles will be fulfilled. Luke 21:24

And Paul said in Romans 11:
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in.
26 And so all Israel shall be saved...

Could this be the year? I am not setting a date... but I'm just wondering.
Watching, waiting, and wondering.

I remember how that in 1917, the Balfour Declaration was issued, opening the land of Palestine to Jewish settlement.
And exactly 50 years later, in the 6-day war, Israel gained control of Jerusalem.

This year, 2017... the year 5777 on the Jewish calendar... is exactly 50 years later.
I'm sitting on the edge of my seat!

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Many of the signs given will be seen by people living at that time. Before the Rapture I think nothing needs to happen. So that seems to mean that what se see as a sign of the end may be just a taste or foreshadowing. Example...violence. Very violent now, but maybe in the very end there will be open slavery, persecution, mob violence we never dreamed of..etc etc.
Also, the trees being burned up, and grass, and water to blood and etc...all after the Rapture, so we would not see that as a sign. The ones who will see that will be the billions who later get saved in that time, and presumably the signs will help.