The word "first resurrection" which misleads many

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When and How do you say God did this?

parousia70,

1. Some of the leaders had already committed blasphemy against the Holy Spirit Matthew 12.

2. Those that did not believe and cried crucify him either died in theirs sins before the cross or might have got saved after the Day of Pentecost.
John 6 had about those who stopped following Christ and there was over 3000 who got saved.

3. As far as the nation as a whole Jesus prophesied in Matthew 24 and in 70 A.D. the destruction of Jerusalem took place.

4. 1948 Israel was established as a viable nation but are still backslidden.
In the tribulation Zechariah 14:9 says 2/3 of the rebels will be cut off and 1/3 will come through the fire. The end of the tribulation all Israel will be saved. Jerry kelso
 
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parousia70,

1. Some of the leaders had already committed blasphemy against the Holy Spirit Matthew 12.

2. Those that did not believe and cried crucify him either died in theirs sins before the cross or might have got saved after the Day of Pentecost.
John 6 had about those who stopped following Christ and there was over 3000 who got saved.

3. As far as the nation as a whole Jesus prophesied in Matthew 24 and in 70 A.D. the destruction of Jerusalem took place.

4. 1948 Israel was established as a viable nation but are still backslidden.
In the tribulation Zechariah 14:9 says 2/3 of the rebels will be cut off and 1/3 will come through the fire. The end of the tribulation all Israel will be saved. Jerry kelso


That is interesting.
For Jesus said they would be destroyed "When the Lord of the Vineyard Comes". Matt 21:40-41

You say 70AD was that event?
 
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That is interesting.
For Jesus said they would be destroyed "When the Lord of the Vineyard Comes". Matt 21:40-41

You say 70AD was that event?

parousia70,

I already gave you the answer. Does this mean you can't figure it out? Jerry kelso
 
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1948 Israel was established as a viable nation but are still backslidden.
In the tribulation Zechariah 14:9 says 2/3 of the rebels will be cut off and 1/3 will come through the fire. The end of the tribulation all Israel will be saved.

One of the greatest deceptions in the history of the Church is the idol worship of the modern State of Israel.

That nation is now controlled by a group of people who have rejected God's Son and have perverted the Old Testament into a system known as Talmudic Judaism. The Talmud is based on the commentaries of rabbis, instead of the Old Testament.
The Talmud states that Christ is the illegitimate child of Mary and a Roman soldier named Pantera. It states Christ is now existing in boiling excrement. These are not my opinions. They are found in the book "Jesus in the Talmud" by Dr. Peter Schafer, who is Jewish.


Throughout the history of Israel there were two groups of people. One group of Israelites followed God's Plan and the other group turned from God to other God's, like Baal. What is the difference between modern Jews who have rejected God's Son and the ancient Israelite Baal worshippers?

Many modern Christians have been hoodwinked into thinking that modern Jews can reject God's Son and still be in a right relationship with God. They must have cut 1 John 2:22-23 out of their Bibles.

Anyone who has the courage to speak the truth and say that modern Jews are just as lost as I used to be, will be labeled as an "anti-Semite". And who suffers the most when we fail to preach the Gospel to the Jewish people? It is those thousands of older Jews who die every year without Christ.

Last year I was talking to a local Baptist pastor who told me that he thought modern Jews are still under "the Old Dispensation". He was saying that modern Jews are still under the Old Covenant system. He was promoting Dual-Covenant Theology. He must have cut Hebrews 8:13 out of his Bible, which says that the New Covenant has made the Old Covenant "obsolete". He needs to go back and read Galatians 1:6-9.

There is no separate plan of salvation for modern Jews outside of the New Covenant Church.
There is no Plan B.


If we truly love the Jewish people, we need to show them their Messiah in their own Hebrews scriptures. The "suffering servant" of Isaiah chapter 53, the promise of the New Covenant to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, and the timeline of Daniel 9 prove that the baby born in a manger is the New Covenant Messiah promised in the Old Testament.

This modern Jew came to faith in Christ when he found the New Covenant in Jeremiah 31:31-34.


One of the greatest errors of the modern Church is our failure to show modern Jews the promise of the New Covenant that this Jewish man found in his Hebrew scriptures.

It was my privilege to share this video with those of my church body during a Sunday-School lesson that I taught on March 12 of this year.
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One of the greatest deceptions in the history of the Church is the idol worship of the modern State of Israel.

That nation is now controlled by a group of people who have rejected God's Son and have perverted the Old Testament into a system known as Talmudic Judaism. The Talmud is based on the commentaries of rabbis, instead of the Old Testament.
The Talmud states that Christ is the illegitimate child of Mary and a Roman soldier named Pantera. It states Christ is now existing in boiling excrement. These are not my opinions. They are found in the book "Jesus in the Talmud" by Dr. Peter Schafer, who is Jewish.


Throughout the history of Israel there were two groups of people. One group of Israelites followed God's Plan and the other group turned from God to other God's, like Baal. What is the difference between modern Jews who have rejected God's Son and the ancient Israelite Baal worshippers?

Many modern Christians have been hoodwinked into thinking that modern Jews can reject God's Son and still be in a right relationship with God. They must have cut 1 John 2:22-23 out of their Bibles.

Anyone who has the courage to speak the truth and say that modern Jews are just as lost as I used to be, will be labeled as an "anti-Semite". And who suffers the most when we fail to preach the Gospel to the Jewish people? It is those thousands of older Jews who die every year without Christ.

Last year I was talking to a local Baptist pastor who told me that he thought modern Jews are still under "the Old Dispensation". He was saying that modern Jews are still under the Old Covenant system. He was promoting Dual-Covenant Theology. He must have cut Hebrews 8:13 out of his Bible, which says that the New Covenant has made the Old Covenant "obsolete". He needs to go back and read Galatians 1:6-9.

There is no separate plan of salvation for modern Jews outside of the New Covenant Church.
There is no Plan B.


If we truly love the Jewish people, we need to show them their Messiah in their own Hebrews scriptures. The "suffering servant" of Isaiah chapter 53, the promise of the New Covenant to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, and the timeline of Daniel 9 prove that the baby born in a manger is the New Covenant Messiah promised in the Old Testament.

This modern Jew came to faith in Christ when he found the New Covenant in Jeremiah 31:31-34.


One of the greatest errors of the modern Church is our failure to show modern Jews the promise of the New Covenant that this Jewish man found in his Hebrew scriptures.

It was my privilege to share this video with those of my church body during a Sunday-School lesson that I taught on March 12 of this year.
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baberean2,

1. The Bible shows that Israel is an faithful wife and will come back to God with Jewish people who will serve him. It is called restoration of the nation.
It is not idol worship to make them jealous for God for Paul said that was the churches job.
It is an anti-Semite view to believe the church has replaced the nation of Israel in its gifts and callings of specific rulership in the KoH reign.
Are you going to get mad when someone you know gets a rulership position that you think is higher or more important than yours and you think you ought to get it?
God has order and he has promises that he keeps. Israel's eternal Covenants will be fulfilled whether you like it or not or whether you think the church will have it or think Christ will have it alone. Your logic is flawed to say the least.

2. With that said, are there those who make it idol worship of Israel and their calling? I would say yes in certain ways but not as much as those who replace Israel and elevate the churches position above Israel in that capacity.
The church has a heavenly calling and will help rule the universe but not Israel the nation as a whole. Are they going to mad like people with the replacement theology of the church replacing Israel.

3. Israel was not always scattered and they are not lost. God has always gathered them etc. and he knows and will know in the future who and where his people are.

4. Unbelieving Jews to receive the KoH reign? The only ones I have read and heard say that are Jews.
The Ezekiel passages showed this pride and God said they were wrong. This is the type of philosophy many extreme UES have.
Dispensationalism that you loathe so much, doesn't teach that. Backslidden Israel has to repent to come back to God. Jeremiah 31:31-34; Romans 11:25-29; Hebrews 8:7-13.
Daniel 9:24-27 in context is about Israel's purification from being backslidden to accept the NC in the tribulation of which they were supposed to do in Jesus day. You don't know correct Jewish history and prophecy.

5. There is such thing as dual-covenant theology that tries to mix the Old Covenant and the New Covenant to the extreme and they don't mix.
There is no plan B. You are the one that makes that statement to prove that Israel's callings at the head of the nations will not happen.
The truth is that Israel rejected Christ and it was never said they would Repent and receive the KoH.
The church was ordained from the foundations of the world because of the for salvation for all mankind and one body of Jews and Gentiles on the same level.
Having different promises of gifts and callings concerning rulership positions in the KoH reign does not negate the mystery of Christ. The mystery of Christ does not negate or prevent Israel's calling of being at the head of the nations.

6. Individual Jews are witnessed to and are being saved and will continue to be for God already has a remnant of grace.
Individual Jews that are truly saved understand the suffering servant of Isaiah 53.
In the future true Jews that understand prophecy correct know that in the tribulation every individual Jew that will believe will be the remnant and the rebels will be cut off according to Zechariah.
But when Christ comes back they will look upon him whom they have pierced Revelation 1:7.
So all individual Jews who believe
In Christ will make up all of Israel will be united to Judah to make up all Of Believing Jews as all of the nation of Israel and they will be at the head of the nations forever Isaiah 2:2-4; 9:6-7.
Your spiritual Jew extreme theory is debunked.
Ezekiel said Israel will be King over all Israel. This shows that Israel and Judah will become one stick. Get with the Bible!!!!!!Jerrykelso
 
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Think of it like this brother.

The First Resurrection is of THOSE IN CHRIST.

The Second Resurrection is a 1000 years later of THOSE WHO ARE OF SATAN !!

Too many people get hung up on minutia. There is no time with God in reality. The First Resurrection is all who are in Christ, (Dead who are raised with the Church at the Rapture, and the Martyrs from the Tribulation) the Judgment seats are set up to judge those who were beheaded during the Tribulation, the Church and dead in Christ have already been Raptured and judged Seven Years earlier. The Beheaded of the Tribulation will rule with Christ for a 1000 years on earth. We also know that the Anti-Christ/Beast (a Man) and the False Prophet (a Man) will be judged at this time also, and cast into hell.

Then 1000 years later, all those who are of SATAN/EVIL will be raised and Judged, along with Satan and all his Demons. This is the Second Resurrection.

1st = Resurrection of Gods People.

2nd = Resurrection of ungodly people.

Somebody on Youtube commented the verse in the Bible of the dead being raised from their graves it could be metaphorical language. How would you respond?

He said,

There are people who has no graves nor bodies, like the people who were completely evaporated out of existence at the epicenter of Hiroshima and Nagasaki explosions. Their bodies are gone but their souls are not.
 
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Somebody on Youtube commented the verse in the Bible of the dead being raised from their graves it could be metaphorical language.
11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12 And I saw the dead, SMALL AND GREAT (Physical bodies), stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
1 Dies iræ, dies illa
Solvet sæclum in favilla,
Teste David cum Sibylla.

The day of wrath, that day
will dissolve the world in ashes,
As David being witness along with the Sibyl

2 Quantus tremor est futurus,
Quando Judex est venturus,
Cuncta stricte discussurus!

How great will be the quaking,
when the Judge will come,
investigating everything strictly.
 
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Somebody on Youtube commented the verse in the Bible of the dead being raised from their graves it could be metaphorical language.

Not to mention Organ Donors.....Who's resurrected Body gets which organs?

If I die and donate my Heart which is transplanted into someone who then dies several years later, who's resurrected Body gets the heart that belonged to us both?

And my Friend's daughter was born without a left arm, while I have another friend who lost his left arm in a construction accident. Will they both get new arms or will only the one who was born with 2 arms get two arms back?

And Will our resurrected Bodies retain any woulds we may receive in death "Like Jesus" did?

I guess if it is a metaphor, then these conundrums are moot.
 
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If I die and donate my Heart which is transplanted into someone who then dies several years later, who's resurrected Body gets the heart that belonged to us both?

God doesnt need your donated heart at the 3rd Resurrection, as they all will be raised from dust.
 
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Not to mention Organ Donors.....Who's resurrected Body gets which organs?

If I die and donate my Heart which is transplanted into someone who then dies several years later, who's resurrected Body gets the heart that belonged to us both?

And my Friend's daughter was born without a left arm, while I have another friend who lost his left arm in a construction accident. Will they both get new arms or will only the one who was born with 2 arms get two arms back?

And Will our resurrected Bodies retain any woulds we may receive in death "Like Jesus" did?

I guess if it is a metaphor, then these conundrums are moot.


If I get a body like the one Jesus had after He was raised from the dead, that would be all anyone could ask for.

His body worked just fine, even after He lost enough Blood to pay for the sin of all those who accept Him as their Savior.

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