Why was it moral what God told Abraham to do?

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miknik5

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Its my take on a hypothetical situation, do I need to believe before I can analyse? And why can't I comment?

And it's not my intent to hold any authority over random verses written by man regardless of what believers might revere over,

just telling you that quoting the bible to an Atheist, you might as well speak in tongues
Because it's GOD's WORD If one is offering "their take" they should be wise and not offer anything
 
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Hmmm silenced
Abraham believed that GOD would make due on all HIS PROMISES

And this alone, his faith in GOD's faithfulness was credited to Abraham as righteousness.
 
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Because it's GOD's WORD If one is offering "their take" they should be wise and not offer anything

You say God's words, we say man's words, seems like we've reached an impasse....and who are you to dictate how one should respond?
 
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You say God's words, we say man's words, seems like we've reached an impasse....and who are you to dictate how one should respond?
It doesn't matter what you say or what I say. In the end, regardless, GOD's WORD remains TRUTH. Regardless of the one who didn't believe the TRUTH and the one who did believe the TRUTH

I am one who knows and believes the TRUTH who is telling the one who doesn't know and doesn't believe not to speak against the TRUTH

Of course you don't have to listen...
And who are you to tell me what I should or shouldn't say?
 
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It doesn't matter what you say or what I say. In the end, regardless, GOD's WORD remains TRUTH. Regardless of the one who didn't believe the TRUTH and the one who did believe the TRUTH

I am one who knows and believes the TRUTH who is telling the one who doesn't know and doesn't believe not to speak against the TRUTH

Its the truth, because you assert it as so? Ooook then

And as I said, who are you to dictate how one should reply? Who died and made you God?
 
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Its the truth, because you assert it as so? Ooook then

And as I said, who are you to dictate how one should reply? Who died and made you God?
And as I said who are you to tell me what I can or can't say?

It's the TRUTH...yes
You said you offer your own thoughts
Everyone who knows GOD knows they are not allowed to offer their own thoughts

You admit you don't know or believe in HIM, yet you speak for HIM?

You shouldn't
I can tell you that it's wrong and you can choose not to listen
 
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And as I said who are you to tell me what I can or can't say?

It's the TRUTH...yes
You said you offer your own thoughts
Everyone who knows GOD knows they are not allowed to offer their own thoughts

You admit you don't know or believe in HIM, yet you speak for HIM?

You shouldn't
I can tell you that it's wrong and you can choose not to listen

You are the one telling me what I should or should not do... and obviously I'm not going to. Freedom of speech....do you speak it?
 
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You are the one telling me what I should or should not do... and obviously I'm not going to. Freedom of speech....do you speak it?
Freedom of speech to speak against what you don't know with regards to the true things of GOD

Yes you are free to do so
For a limited time
 
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"I don't feel the need to worry about the potential actions of a deity I don't believe exists."

You do understand that right? To you, scripture carries authority, to an Atheist it's meaningless
How do you offer your input on what GOD was doing through Abraham?

miknik5 said:
You freely offer your personal suggestions on what GOD might have said and meant?

Yet you don't know or believe in HIM

You do understand that your suggestions hold no authority over GOD's WORD regardless of whether you believe in HIM or not

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Its my take on a hypothetical situation, do I need to believe before I can analyse? And why can't I comment?

And it's not my intent to hold any authority over random verses written by man regardless of what believers might revere over,

just telling you that quoting the bible to an Atheist, you might as well speak in tongues
miknik said:
Because it's GOD's WORD If one is offering "their take" they should be wise and not offer anything
This is all that has transpired in our back and forth exchange[/QUOTE]
 
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What do you think it means when GOD removes HIS HEDGE? (Job 1)
First, I ask that next time you ask someone to tell you what particular scripture means, that you post the exact paragraph. Or, at least, don't use a link to this site so it makes me leave the page I type my response on.

Secondly, since the hedge is referred to as, basically, the deity has protected Job and granted him a good life, removing it would be removing such benefits. Kinda cruel, like giving someone a gift only to snatch it back on a whim. If you are implying that Job wouldn't have had a good life without the deity, so it is perfectly fine for the deity to stop giving him a good life, that is not what happens entirely. Does Yahweh not promise protection from evil forces, such as Satan, in return for being faithful? Even if you say that the deity has never made such a promise, the motives for destroying this person's life are still highly questionable.


What do you think it means when HE who holds all things back is taken out of the way? (2 Thessalonians 2)
How does the law feel about a person who has critical information to prevent a murder, but doesn't use it to prevent a murder? Willful inaction when you are entirely capable of preventing tragedy without negative consequences to oneself is criminal.
 
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First, I ask that next time you ask someone to tell you what particular scripture means, that you post the exact paragraph. Or, at least, don't use a link to this site so it makes me leave the page I type my response on.
I'm sorry. I believe that you'll be fine if you look down in the lower left hand corner of this site you'll notice a back arrow. After you read the link use it. It's very simple. It takes you right back to the thread
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secondly, since the hedge is referred to as, basically, the deity has protected Job and granted him a good life, removing it would be removing such benefits.
You mean earthly treasures. The other benefits would not be removed. This time of job's suffering is in service to every believer when the "hedge"/ when "HE who holds all things back is (temporarily) taken out of the way[/quote]

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kinda cruel, like giving someone a gift only to snatch it back on a whim.

All good gifts come from GOD who gives these good things to both the believer and the unbeliever alike.
When the "hedge" is removed, there will be those during this time who will wait trusting in the Lord that though HE hide HIS face temporarily from "Jacob's struggles" HE will no longer delay but will come straight away

And then there are those who, when the hedge of GOD's everyday protection(grace) upon both believer and unbeliever is removed, and when evil will have its full reign with no one to hold it back, who will look left and right at trouble and distress and instead of trusting in GOD, will look up and curse/blame/attribute to GOD what should not be attributed to GOD [/quote]

PsychoSarah said:
,If you are implying that Job wouldn't have had a good life without the deity, so it is perfectly fine for the deity to stop giving him a good life, that is not what happens entirely. Does Yahweh not promise protection from evil forces, such as Satan, in return for being faithful? Even if you say that the deity has never made such a promise, the motives for destroying this person's life are still highly questionable.
GOD does not change. what HE promises are steadfast and sure. GOD will make due on all HIS promises in all seasons

In seasons of sunshine and in seasons of rain

It's not GOD who changes
It's men who change. Whose spirits are never steadfast in all seasons

Because I tell you it is very easy to show faith in seasons of sunshine
Another thing completely in seasons of rain [/quote]



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how does the law feel about a person who has critical information to prevent a murder, but doesn't use it to prevent a murder? Willful inaction when you are entirely capable of preventing tragedy without negative consequences to oneself is criminal.

The same. Anyone sheds the blood of another will have to give an account for the blood shed
 
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First, I ask that next time you ask someone to tell you what particular scripture means, that you post the exact paragraph. Or, at least, don't use a link to this site so it makes me leave the page I type my response on.

Secondly, since the hedge is referred to as, basically, the deity has protected Job and granted him a good life, removing it would be removing such benefits. Kinda cruel, like giving someone a gift only to snatch it back on a whim. If you are implying that Job wouldn't have had a good life without the deity, so it is perfectly fine for the deity to stop giving him a good life, that is not what happens entirely. Does Yahweh not promise protection from evil forces, such as Satan, in return for being faithful? Even if you say that the deity has never made such a promise, the motives for destroying this person's life are still highly questionable.



How does the law feel about a person who has critical information to prevent a murder, but doesn't use it to prevent a murder? Willful inaction when you are entirely capable of preventing tragedy without negative consequences to oneself is criminal.
Your definition of a good life is not Job's definition. Read the whole book. Your definition of God's goodness is based in human emotion from the created being's perspective. Just because something's good to you or me does not mean it is good to God. By God's standards Job's life was dung.
 
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Your definition of a good life is not Job's definition. Read the whole book. Your definition of God's goodness is based in human emotion from the created being's perspective. Just because something's good to you or me does not mean it is good to God.
Statements like these always make me wonder why we should care for God´s subjective perspective, in the first place (assuming for a moment that God exists, that God has an opinion on morals, and that we have figured out what this opinion is).
 
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Statements like these always make me wonder why we should care for God´s subjective perspective, in the first place (assuming for a moment that God exists, that God has an opinion on morals, and that we have figured out what this opinion is).
He is being a bit harsh in saying that jobs life was dung. Jobs life was not dung. He had all the "little treasures" of comfort which would appear on the outside to those who knew Job that he was blessed of GOD . He was. Job was indeed blessed by GOD

But look what happens to Job
And when all these things happen to Job, though he didn't understand why or how these things could happen, Job had more sense than his friends who came to "help" him. Friends who had looked at job's life and has assumed that "rain" should never fall upon Job

When it did, his friends were the first ones who pressed Job to open his mouth before GOD. When Job wouldn't. They changed. His friends who had judged Job's stability and well-being security because of the many "little treasures" which "identified" Job and his "good life" as blessed of GOD, began to accuse Job of some hidden sin that this is why the "rain" had come. All because Job stood still and did nothing. And they couldn't understand why Job, a man who appeared to be blessed by GOD because of the "evidence" they saw, wouldn't open his mouth before GOD

Job understood that rain and sun fall and shine on all men. And he would wait out his season of sufffering trusting that:

"my redeemer lives and in the end even if my flesh wears away still and with my own eyes I will see HIM standing upon the earth in the last days"
 
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