Holy Spirit

I personly like use a reversal technique when trying to understand this, for example :
Adolf Hitler has a book called mien kamf ( or something like that) and even tho he is now dead he has followers called Neo Nazies and these guys are of one mind and have the same belief in a man and his book , therefore I believe they share the same spirit , an unholy spirit , a spirit of predjudess and hatred and anyone who believes in Hitler and his book will share the in same spirit .
Now if we reverse this back to christianity we have :
A leader called Jesus...a book called the bible...and followers who believe in the man and his book and they call themselves christians , these are also of one mind and same belief in Jesus and his book and therefore share the same spirit , the Holy spirit or spirit of God , they all drink from the same fountain thus having the same spirit .

Galations 5

<SUP>22</SUP>But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,<SUP> 23</SUP>gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law.


Just my personal view.

i'll answer what i can and to the best of my ability. to my understanding, speaking in tongues is evidence that one has the Holy Spirit...so in that case, one would need to have the Holy Spirit in order to speak in tongues. Otherwise, people would just be jabbering away, saying and meaning nothing. Okay, and the Holy Spirit was sent to give us comfort. Therefore it is called "the comforter" because Jesus left us and sent the Holy Spirit so that we could have guidance without Him.

I have been trying to understand the Holy Spirit more.

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Is the Holy Spirit a person or a force?

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Without a doubt the Holy Spirit is a person.&nbsp; Of course, He is a spirit, but the bible shows Him having all the attributes of a person.&nbsp; In the bible, He is pictures as doing the kinds of things that persons do.&nbsp; For example, He exhibits intellect (Rom 8:26,27; 1 Cor 2:10,11); He is shown with the ability to choose or make decisions (Acts 13:2; 15:28; 16:6,7; 20:28; 1 Cor 12:11); He speaks (John 16:13,14; Acts 8:29; 13:2; 1 Tim 4:1; Rev 2:7); He teaches (John 14:26; 1 Cor 2:13); and He experiences emotions or feelings such as love (Rom 15:30) and grief (Eph 4:30; Isa 63:10).&nbsp; The Spirit is treated like a person in scripture.&nbsp; He may be lied to (Acts 5:3), tested (Acts 5:9); blasphemed (Matt 12:31), and insulted (Heb 10:29).&nbsp; More specifically, the Holy Spirit is a divine person.&nbsp; The bible portrays Him as being one with the Father and the Son (Matt 28:19; 1 Cor 12:4-6; 2 Cor 1:21,22; 13:14; Eph 4:4-6; 1 Pet 1:2).&nbsp; Divine characteristics are applied to the Spirit: He is eternal, omniscient, omnipresent and omnipotent.&nbsp; The fact that Jesus says that&nbsp; blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is unforgiveable makes no sense whatsoever unless He is divine.

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Is our consience the Holy Spirit?

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I think Quaffer's answer to this was acceptable.

Do you need to speak in tongues to have the Holy Spirit.

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Absolutely not.&nbsp; I personally do not believe that the gift of tongues is still in operation today so this would not make sense to me at all.&nbsp; The Holy Spirit indwells all believers at the time of baptism (Acts 2:38).&nbsp; I have heard many Charismatics say that tongues is the evidence of the Holy Spirit, but this has no scriptural bearing at all.&nbsp; We have the Holy Spirit as Christians living within us to empower us to live righteously.&nbsp; That is His primary function.&nbsp; We had no possibility of "being holy as&nbsp;God is holy" before we became Christians.&nbsp; As a Christian, God's Holy Spirit indwells us to give us the power needed to walk in a manner that is pleasing to God.&nbsp; Even if the gift of tongues&nbsp;is in operation today,&nbsp;it&nbsp;is not evidence of the Holy Spirit, nor is it something that all Christians are expected to do (1 Cor 12:30).

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Is the Holy Spirit Our protector?



I don't think speaking in tongues means you have the holy spirit , there are plenty of christians who don't speak in tongues who have the holy spirit , for example : Catholics - JWs etc etc .


And yes i believe the holy spirit protects us , for example : If one believes , then you probibly won't go out and rob a bank and have to spend time in jail , so yes...of course it protects us . Well thats my view anyway .

I have the gift of tounges, and yes, it's evidence of the Holy Spirit. But you don't have to have tounges to be saved. Tounges is a precious gift God gives His children.

Yeh that's funny evee...bottle of tequilla .&nbsp;

My sister is a pentecostal and she spoke in tongues but she doesn't know why she said it or what she said and nobody else knew what she was saying either , so what good is it .

I don't understand evee , how does it replace praying .

I mean if you don't know what your saying or why your saying it then what is it about ?

I agree with you BD I think with true tongues when a person speaks there is another there to interpet. God is not a god of confusion.

Quote evee - How about stammering lips has anyone ever had that to happen?



Only when i drink too much.

Jesus said the first sign with LANGUAGES (tounges) was in Acts 1: 8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

The HOLY 120 went down the stairs and "hit the streets with "power of the HOLY Spirit being a "witness" about HIM speaking in LANGUAGES which was needed as a supernatural sign to others about the "power from on high." The real everlasting sign of the HOLY Spirit is HOLINESS and it will always be HOLINESS as a sure sign of Christ....

Bless you all via the Truth of the WORD!

15th March 2003 at 11:45 PM Evee said this in Post #13

Hi Brain Damage actually in my case it is just what God gave me to use when I do not know what or how to pray.&nbsp;

&nbsp;Some people can interept but I can't cause I don't even know what I am saying when speaking in tongues.

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Dear Evee,

When you pray in tongues, you are praising/worshipping/thanking the Father. Period. It is your spirit praying.

The purpose is two-fold:

1) So that God is praised and worshipped and thanked as He should be (and so that He doesn't have to make the rocks do it).

2) With the hopeful outcome you will be momentarily or for longer filled with the Holy Ghost who came upon you and made His home upon you when you received the Baptism of the Holy Ghost - assuming you did.

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All human beings have the ability to pray in tongues, for all humans have a spirit. It's just that without the HG Baptism upon us, who in the world would we be talking to?

And all Christians have the ability to momentarily or for longer get filled with the Holy Ghost as a result of their praising Him - whether in tongues, or in our own language (if from the spirit and not our flesh).

(And many, likely even most, of the interpretations you hear are nonsense and of the flesh - the genuine is very rare today, in the West at least.)

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So, keep on praisin'!

bro. jim

Evee,

I wanted to answer your question about the spirit convicting you.

That feeling you have is your conscious that God uses to convict you of a sin.

Praying in tounges is evidence that you have been through the fire baptism. John the Baptist said that he baptized in water but the one who would come after him would baptism in fire, this is what he meant.

The water baptism is definatley the part about salvation and dying with christ on the cross but the fire baptism is the part where God pours out his spirit on you.

When God pours out his spirirt like he did at Pentecost some pretty wierd things start to happen. if we are not prepared to accept these wierd things he won't force them on us but we miss out on a big part of what God is doing.

The word spirit has alot more meaning than peopl ascribe to it.&nbsp;