Extinction level event?

The Hammer of Witches · Mar 24, 2017

Thousands of underground gas bubbles poised to 'explode' in Arctic: 7,000 underground gas bubbles poised to 'explode' in Arctic

> Total amount of methane in the current atmosphere: ~5 gigatons

> Amount of carbon preserved as methane in the arctic shelf: estimated at 100s-1000s of gigatons

> Only 1% release would double the atmospheric burden of methane

> Not much effort is needed to destabilize this 1%

> The volume currently being released is estimated at 50 gigatons (it could be far more)

> 50 gigatons is 10x the methane content of the current atmosphere

> We are already at 2.5x pre-industrial level, there is a methane veil spreading southward from the arctic.

> Methane is 150x as powerful a greenhouse gas as CO2 when it is first released.

Dr. Guy McPherson has predicted the loss of human habitat on earth by 2030, by taking into account Methane clathrates coming from the Arctic sea floor and from Canadian and Siberian permafrost. There are a lot of positive feedback loops we're not taking into account.

Whether global warming is man made or not is not the issue. The world will continue to deteriorate, we are approaching the end times. Also see my thread on Fukushima. Repent before it is too late

I should also clarify, the only other extinction level event besides the end times was the flood and its aftermath. Don't be deceived, the events of Revelation are going to be fulfilled.

Archie the Preacher · Mar 24, 2017

All of 'discoveries' and 'educated opinion' aside, as a Christian I am naturally disposed to consider this in the light of God's promises. Specifically the one where all things are ordained - or at least allowed - by God.

The world as we know it will end. However, with all the revelation and hints and prophecies in the Bible, 'we' - humanity - have not yet come up with an answer agreed with by all.

If the world is to end soon, so what? I seriously have better things over which to lose sleep.

Desk trauma · Mar 24, 2017

The Hammer of Witches said:
Don't be deceived, the events of Revelation are going to be fulfilled

Nonsense, clearly these are signs of ragnarok.

Armoured · Mar 24, 2017

Desk trauma said:
Nonsense, clearly these are signs of ragnarok.

Fenris is all about cold, methane release will make it hot.

Desk trauma · Mar 24, 2017

Armoured said:
Fenris is all about cold, methane release will make it hot.

Hence why it's so imminent.

Armoured · Mar 24, 2017

Archie the Preacher said:
All of 'discoveries' and 'educated opinion' aside, as a Christian I am naturally disposed to consider this in the light of God's promises.

Did God promise to save us from our own follies? Does he promise to save our current level of civilisation? You might be glib about your own life, how do you feel about your children's? Or theirs'? What if the Apocalypse doesn't happen for a thousand years? Are you happy to condemn your descendants to a world with a collapsed ecosystem?

Armoured · Mar 24, 2017

Desk trauma said:
Hence why it's so imminent.

Can't fault that logic.

Ygrene Imref · Mar 24, 2017

The Hammer of Witches said:
Thousands of underground gas bubbles poised to 'explode' in Arctic: 7,000 underground gas bubbles poised to 'explode' in Arctic

> Total amount of methane in the current atmosphere: ~5 gigatons

> Amount of carbon preserved as methane in the arctic shelf: estimated at 100s-1000s of gigatons

> Only 1% release would double the atmospheric burden of methane

> Not much effort is needed to destabilize this 1%

> The volume currently being released is estimated at 50 gigatons (it could be far more)

> 50 gigatons is 10x the methane content of the current atmosphere

> We are already at 2.5x pre-industrial level, there is a methane veil spreading southward from the arctic.

> Methane is 150x as powerful a greenhouse gas as CO2 when it is first released.

Dr. Guy McPherson has predicted the loss of human habitat on earth by 2030, by taking into account Methane clathrates coming from the Arctic sea floor and from Canadian and Siberian permafrost. There are a lot of positive feedback loops we're not taking into account.

Whether global warming is man made or not is not the issue. The world will continue to deteriorate, we are approaching the end times. Also see my thread on Fukushima. Repent before it is too late

I should also clarify, the only other extinction level event besides the end times was the flood and its aftermath. Don't be deceived, the events of Revelation are going to be fulfilled.

The real ELE was Fukishima. It will amplify all the other distractionary "doom."

But METHANE is definitely a contender for doom.

Archie the Preacher · Mar 24, 2017

Armoured said:
Did God promise to save us from our own follies?

Good grief no. Just the opposite; humans are always help accountable for misdeeds and folly is quite properly condemned.

Armoured said:
Does he promise to save our current level of civilisation?

Not at all. Nor should He, God is far more concerned about the relationship between God and man. Nor does this have much to do with what I said.

Armoured said:
You might be glib about your own life, how do you feel about your children's?

I am far more concerned with my children and further progeny in terms of their relationship to Jesus Christ. Not about their immediate comfort. I am concerned about 'comfort', but that is a lessor priority.

Armoured said:
What if the Apocalypse doesn't happen for a thousand years?

A more pressing dilemma is "What happens to you when you find out - too late - God was trying all this time to get you to belief and you spit on Him?"

Armoured said:
Are you happy to condemn your descendants to a world with a collapsed ecosystem?

Very bad logic. A sufficiently 'collapsed ecosystem' signals the end of life in any form we might recognize.

And you keep missing the essential point. No matter how long the Earth abides, all humans will die. Being ready for Eternity is far more important than anything else is this temporary world.

Armoured · Mar 24, 2017

Archie the Preacher said:
And you keep missing the essential point. No matter how long the Earth abides, all humans will die. Being ready for Eternity is far more important than anything else is this temporary world.

That's a great religiousy sounding affirmation. I don't think "meh, they're just gunna die eventually anyway" justifies leaving a wrecked environment for our children to deal with.

If you need a missionary justification for environmental concern, I suggest to you it's a lot easier to develop a meaningful relationship with God when you aren't living in a post-apocalyptic wasteland.

Aryeh Jay · Mar 24, 2017

Armoured said:
Did God promise to save us from our own follies? Does he promise to save our current level of civilisation? You might be glib about your own life, how do you feel about your children's? Or theirs'? What if the Apocalypse doesn't happen for a thousand years? Are you happy to condemn your descendants to a world with a collapsed ecosystem?

On the flip side, now we won't have to worry about passing a thirty trillion dollar deficit to our children…

Armoured · Mar 24, 2017

Aryeh Jay said:
On the flip side, now we won't have to worry about passing a thirty trillion dollar deficit to our children…

For some reason I'm put in mind of the Pratchett quote;
“Dwarfs are very attached to gold. Any highwayman demanding 'Your money or your life' had better bring a folding chair and packed lunch and a book to read while the debate goes on.”

Monk Brendan · Mar 24, 2017

Armoured said:
Did God promise to save us from our own follies? Does he promise to save our current level of civilisation? You might be glib about your own life, how do you feel about your children's? Or theirs'? What if the Apocalypse doesn't happen for a thousand years? Are you happy to condemn your descendants to a world with a collapsed ecosystem?

Please! First of all, all of this reporting is from Russia, with the main body coming from TASS. When TASS reports anything, it should be taken with a very large grain of salt.

Second, we are not called to preserve the earth for thousands of millennia. We ARE called to be good stewards. The Earth has continued through Supervolcanoes, Krakatoa, Thera, and all of the others. We have had wars and rumor of wars for millennia as well. The earth has been able to survive quite well, and it repairs itself over time.

We are not called to be listeners to doom and gloom. We ARE called to listen to the Good News of Jesus Christ.

BTW, if the collapse of the world is imminent, what can we do about it?

Rick Otto · Mar 24, 2017

Tinfoil alert.
Antarctic about to pass gas!

Armoured · Mar 24, 2017

Monk Brendan said:
Please! First of all, all of this reporting is from Russia, with the main body coming from TASS. When TASS reports anything, it should be taken with a very large grain of salt.

Second, we are not called to preserve the earth for thousands of millennia. We ARE called to be good stewards. The Earth has continued through Supervolcanoes, Krakatoa, Thera, and all of the others. We have had wars and rumor of wars for millennia as well. The earth has been able to survive quite well, and it repairs itself over time.

We are not called to be listeners to doom and gloom. We ARE called to listen to the Good News of Jesus Christ.

BTW, if the collapse of the world is imminent, what can we do about it?

I don't think "meh, they're just gunna die eventually anyway" justifies leaving a wrecked environment for our children to deal with.

If you need a missionary justification for environmental concern, I suggest to you it's a lot easier to develop a meaningful relationship with God when you aren't living in a post-apocalyptic wasteland.

Rick Otto · Mar 24, 2017

Armoured said:
I don't think "meh, they're just gunna die eventually anyway" justifies leaving a wrecked environment for our children to deal with.

If you need a missionary justification for environmental concern, I suggest to you it's a lot easier to develop a meaningful relationship with God when you aren't living in a post-apocalyptic wasteland.

Fair enough but if the concern is anything more than wishful thinking, it's going to take the hard work of focusing on the cause long enough to name names.

Archie the Preacher · Mar 24, 2017

According to the video, the problem is happening now and has been happening for some while. The problem will be acute in thirteen years and the entire ecosystem will fail. Mankind will starve to death and so the end comes.

Armoured, what do you propose we do? Draft workers to go to Antarctica and glue down sheet of plastic? Perhaps enact a tax? Riot in the streets and burn some cars?

Frankly I'm far too occupied with global warming, global cooling, Nuclear power, "the Bomb", the military-industrial complex, the oncoming Mongol hordes, the Masonic Lodge taking over the world, and organized religion poisoning minds by distracting people from communism to get worked up.

Do what you want. I'm done here.

Ygrene Imref · Mar 24, 2017

Archie the Preacher said:
According to the video, the problem is happening now and has been happening for some while. The problem will be acute in thirteen years and the entire ecosystem will fail. Mankind will starve to death and so the end comes.

Armoured, what do you propose we do? Draft workers to go to Antarctica and glue down sheet of plastic? Perhaps enact a tax? Riot in the streets and burn some cars?

Frankly I'm far too occupied with global warming, global cooling, Nuclear power, "the Bomb", the military-industrial complex, the oncoming Mongol hordes, the Masonic Lodge taking over the world, and organized religion poisoning minds by distracting people from communism to get worked up.

Do what you want. I'm done here.

This event is the answer to those who subscribe to the YOLO philosophy. That is why indulgence, selfishness, vanity and self-deification are being promoted as good, and truth (not "my" truth, real truth,) philosophy, and community are looked down upon.

It is cool to have a cause to fight for now.

It is cool to be divided.

It is cool to be distracted by lies and the world, while it crumbles around you.

It is cool to rebuke, and ridicule anyone who dare suggest life isn't as awesome as the status quo says it is.

These are all distractions (even the masons, global warming, and other "foil hat" spectra.) It keeps you from realizing the world is actually ending - at least it blinds us from what we should be focusing on, which is community and unity. Those in charge (the freemason are a joke to the "13," for example) works best when their subjects actually believe they have large enough differences to fight over. Ignorance, and [high school] social programming help to make the subject mind complacent to the devices used against us everyday.

Goonie · Mar 24, 2017

Well just looked up Dr Guy McPherson,
Guy McPherson - RationalWiki

Hmmm.

Goonie · Mar 24, 2017

Another article about his theory
How Guy McPherson gets it wrong

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