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We also should remember that in our dealings with people over various shortcomings/weaknesses, we must do so with our own in mind, not just past ones, but ones we may be currently struggling with. We must not hate nor condemn, but converse in a loving and relatable way. I mean, there is such a thing where fruit-inspecting can cross the line into finger-pointing. It is a bad habit we can all get into (yes, I'm guilty) if we're not careful. None of us are perfect, and never will be until the day we see Jesus face-to-face.

Just thought I'd throw that in (even though I'm probably just "preaching to the choir").

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I agree 100%

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Christians should not judgmental, i.e. condemning.

However, Christians should use godly discernment, testing all things in the light of God's word:

John 7:24 Do not judge by appearances, but judge with right judgment."

Christians should not be twisting scripture by taking Matthew 7 out of context, as the world loves to do, to promote their (the world) depravity, by attempting to silence Christians from proclaiming that which God has declared righteous or evil, according to His word.

Matthew 7 is referring to hypocritical judgment, but it is not forbidding wisdom and discernment in defining that which is evil and that which is good.
 
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Christians should not judgmental, i.e. condemning.

Matthew 7 is referring to hypocritical judgment, but it is not forbidding wisdom and discernment in defining that which is evil and that which is good.

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If we judge ourselves, by the Word, with all our heart and mind, we will gain wisdom and discernment. These scriptures guide me personally, when judging myself. The Lord chastens us as well. Its not joyful but it bears fruit. :)


James 3:17 But the wisdom from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, open to reason, full of mercy and good fruits, impartial and sincere. 18 And a harvest of righteousness is sown in peace by those who make peace.

Proverbs 1:5 A wise man will hear and increase in learning,
And a man of understanding will acquire wise counsel,
 
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If we judge ourselves, by the Word, with all our heart and mind, we will gain wisdom and discernment. These scriptures guide me personally, when judging myself. The Lord chastens us as well. Its not joyful but it bears fruit. :)


James 3:17 But the wisdom from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, open to reason, full of mercy and good fruits, impartial and sincere. 18 And a harvest of righteousness is sown in peace by those who make peace.

Proverbs 1:5 A wise man will hear and increase in learning,
And a man of understanding will acquire wise counsel,

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We also should remember that in our dealings with people over various shortcomings/weaknesses, we must do so with our own in mind, not just past ones, but ones we may be currently struggling with. We must not hate nor condemn, but converse in a loving and relatable way. I mean, there is such a thing where fruit-inspecting can cross the line into finger-pointing. It is a bad habit we can all get into (yes, I'm guilty) if we're not careful. None of us are perfect, and never will be until the day we see Jesus face-to-face.

Just thought I'd throw that in (even though I'm probably just "preaching to the choir").

Awareness is pertinent, especially awareness of bullying, drug traffickers and drugs, pedophiles, rapists, murderers, thieves, homosexuals and whoremongers (inappropriate content) and the rest of the wickedness the world throws at the unsuspecting minds and hearts of unsuspecting Christians.

The above are all crimes that need to be brought to the awareness of society, in regards to what is morally and socially acceptable and what is unacceptable and down right criminal.

As you erroneously state, these are not mere shortcomings/weaknesses that can be ignored, hoping that they will go away on their own accord. Neither are they the sins of majority of righteous Christians who you falsely associated with, within your statement below....

we must do so with our own in mind, not just past ones, but ones we may be currently struggling with.

Then you regress to using a judgemental implied tone towards those who point out and bring awareness of those crimefull sins by further saying.....

We must not hate nor condemn, but converse in a loving and relatable way.

Who determined it was hateful or condemnable to hate what is evil, to hate the sin and not to play right into the hands of the enemy who pertpitrates those crimes, the devil. Raising awareness about criminal activities that have no relationship to the bread that God gave to Christianity is not hateful, but loving, for God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son as a sin offering, once and for all. As Christians, we have no business to relate to, appease to or to embrace the bread of malice, which are the sins of the world.

What has the sins of the world to do with Christ's sinless body that is justified by the blood of the Son and sanctified by the Holy Ghost?

Absolutely nothing!

We therefore are not to relate to or to mingle with the bread of malice against our Holy and righteous God, doing so brings his Holy name into disrepute. So my recomnendations are to not use God's Holy name in vain and to not associate Christ's sinless bride, his church, with the sins of the world. Such labeling is derogatory, judgemental and is outright defamatory of what the pure bride of Christ represents in a world plagued with evil.

Who is doing the judging right now?

When anyone says that the body of Christ doesn't have the obligation to point fingers at the sins of the world and to bring warning and awareness to the sinners of the world, so that they could turn from their wicked ways and accept the Holiness of Jesus Christ, are becoming like Paul once was, that is, they become persecutors of the Church.

As Christians we must finger point and bring awareness of the sins of the world and to give a solemn warning to those committing sins, to turn back from their wicked ways or to face the condemnation of God.

We are reminding the world to head the three angel messages......

1st Angel Message....
LOUD VOICE, fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.'

2nd Angel Message....
And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.'

3rd Angel Message.....
If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, the same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God,


The 3rd angel message highlights the warning to those who try and infuse God's righteousness and that of his Son's bride/church, with the bread of malice of the world.

As Christians we are NOT TO converse in a loving and relatable way to the bread of malice of the world, for what has God's ways to do with Satan's worldly ways?

Absolutely nothing!

It is the bride of Christ that is now being judged and persecuted by the world, who are doing their darnest to prevent her from doing her job for her Lord and saviour.


Such sabatoors within and without the Church will not be tolerated and these will eventually become conscripted by the world, in order to appease the world, as the 90% who will be told where they stand by the Lord at the end of probation or even earlier when they depart from this temporal life.

Do NOT prevent or get in the way of the members of the body of Christ, who are trying to bring awareness and a solumn warning to a generation that has become like Sodom and Gomorrah.
 
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People siding, sympathizing, embracing with the multitude of the sins of the world and subjugation the pure bride of Christ to the wicked ways of this world, by preventing her from her commission to finger point, bring awareness and to give dire warning to the sins of the world, are considered as terrorists by God. They might as well be instruments of the devil like ISIS.

To sabotage the bride's commission is to wage war with Jesus Christ. Soon the lines in the sand will be fully discernable and those 10% die hards for Jesus Christ will be persecuted within and without by those committing terrorist acts against Christ’s Kingdom on earth.

The Lord Comes and Reigns

1A day of the Lord is coming, Jerusalem my bride/Church, when your possessions will be plundered and divided up within your very walls.

2I will gather all the nations to My Church to fight against her; the spiritual city will be captured, the houses of prayer ransacked, and the women/denominations raped. Half of the city will go into exile, but the rest of the people will not be taken from the city. 3Then the Lord will go out and fight against those nations, as he fights on a day of battle.

Jesus Christ will come and route out the terrorists once and for good, especially those who rejected his truth and had pleasure in unrighteousness by serving lies against his Holy and unblemished bride/Church.

The bride of Christ is sinless and pure and the blood of Christ Jesus and the works of the Holy Ghost attests to her as His justified and sanctified bride, his new creation.

So who dares to judge his Church and to advertise that she is a sinner, alongside that of the world, which now terrorizes her from within and without.
 
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For people to advertise to the world that the pure, sinless and Holy Bride of Christ is a sinner, is outright blaspheming against Jesus Christ, the sinless groom who purified her by his blood.

I would also go to say that people of the world who judge the sinless bride of Christ by lebelling her a sinner, is blaspheming her works and thereby are unwittingly blaspheming the Holy Ghost who works through her by sanctifying her before the Living God as Christ's pure, sinless and Holy Bride.

That is why it is the world that is judging the Bride of Christ and not the other way around.

Some may say why does the bride point fingers, bring spiritual awareness and to give dire warnings to an unrepentant world?

That is because it is her job to do so, no different to a police officer who gives trafic infringement notices after an offense is committed. A police officer doesn't.....

Converse in a loving and relatable way to those who continue to break the law

Similarly the Holy Bride, His Church is commissioned according to the three angel messages to issue infringement notices to the world that infringes on God's commandments and his Holy ways.

Who would argue with God to what the Bride can and cannot do. Sure the beastly governments who have been infiltrated by homosexuals, anarchists and God haters will try to enforce and to legislate matters that cross over into morality and therefore inpinging on God's objective moral laws. This would be a precursor to war, whereby the Bride is now under attack from within and without and persecution and onslaught is imminent. But wow onto those within that aid and abet the enemy!
 
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Awareness is pertinent, especially awareness of bullying, drug traffickers and drugs, pedophiles, rapists, murderers, thieves, homosexuals and whoremongers (inappropriate content) and the rest of the wickedness the world throws at the unsuspecting minds and hearts of unsuspecting Christians.

The above are all crimes that need to be brought to the awareness of society, in regards to what is morally and socially acceptable and what is unacceptable and down right criminal.

As you erroneously state, these are not mere shortcomings/weaknesses that can be ignored, hoping that they will go away on their own accord. Neither are they the sins of majority of righteous Christians who you falsely associated with, within your statement below....

we must do so with our own in mind, not just past ones, but ones we may be currently struggling with.

Then you regress to using a judgemental implied tone towards those who point out and bring awareness of those crimefull sins by further saying.....

We must not hate nor condemn, but converse in a loving and relatable way.

Who determined it was hateful or condemnable to hate what is evil, to hate the sin and not to play right into the hands of the enemy who pertpitrates those crimes, the devil. Raising awareness about criminal activities that have no relationship to the bread that God gave to Christianity is not hateful, but loving, for God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son as a sin offering, once and for all. As Christians, we have no business to relate to, appease to or to embrace the bread of malice, which are the sins of the world.

What has the sins of the world to do with Christ's sinless body that is justified by the blood of the Son and sanctified by the Holy Ghost?

Absolutely nothing!

We therefore are not to relate to or to mingle with the bread of malice against our Holy and righteous God, doing so brings his Holy name into disrepute. So my recomnendations are to not use God's Holy name in vain and to not associate Christ's sinless bride, his church, with the sins of the world. Such labeling is derogatory, judgemental and is outright defamatory of what the pure bride of Christ represents in a world plagued with evil.

Who is doing the judging right now?

When anyone says that the body of Christ doesn't have the obligation to point fingers at the sins of the world and to bring warning and awareness to the sinners of the world, so that they could turn from their wicked ways and accept the Holiness of Jesus Christ, are becoming like Paul once was, that is, they become persecutors of the Church.

As Christians we must finger point and bring awareness of the sins of the world and to give a solemn warning to those committing sins, to turn back from their wicked ways or to face the condemnation of God.

We are reminding the world to head the three angel messages......

1st Angel Message....
LOUD VOICE, fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.'

2nd Angel Message....
And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.'

3rd Angel Message.....
If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, the same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God,


The 3rd angel message highlights the warning to those who try and infuse God's righteousness and that of his Son's bride/church, with the bread of malice of the world.

As Christians we are NOT TO converse in a loving and relatable way to the bread of malice of the world, for what has God's ways to do with Satan's worldly ways?

Absolutely nothing!

It is the bride of Christ that is now being judged and persecuted by the world, who are doing their darnest to prevent her from doing her job for her Lord and saviour.


Such sabatoors within and without the Church will not be tolerated and these will eventually become conscripted by the world, in order to appease the world, as the 90% who will be told where they stand by the Lord at the end of probation or even earlier when they depart from this temporal life.

Do NOT prevent or get in the way of the members of the body of Christ, who are trying to bring awareness and a solumn warning to a generation that has become like Sodom and Gomorrah.

I think you're completely missing my point and reading things into my post that isn't there. You're right in saying that there must be an awareness and a loathing for the sins of this world, but there is a right way of going about it. We cannot speak only about sin without offering the plan of salvation and how they can be saved from sin by the grace of God and the shed blood of His Son Jesus. And even after salvation we are all going to struggle in some way or another, and anyone who says they are automatically perfect after receiving Jesus would be lying. No, I am not saying this gives the license for those who have accepted Jesus to deliberately live sinful lifestyles. But like I said, none of us (that is, nobody) will reach complete perfection until we get to Heaven. Until then, it's a lifelong growing process.

I will not debate with you; there is no point in it. I don't know how to explain it any better. If you still can't understand what I am getting at, then I don't know what to tell you.

I honestly wish the best for you.
 
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none of us (that is, nobody) will reach complete perfection until we get to Heaven. Until then, it's a lifelong growing process.

Amen to that!!
 
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You're right in saying that there must be an awareness and a loathing for the sins of this world, but there is a right way of going about it. We cannot speak only about sin without offering the plan of salvation and how they can be saved from sin by the grace of God and the shed blood of His Son Jesus.

The Bride of Christ is at war, that is, if you haven't gathered by observing the encroachment of the enemies of the cross.

The Bride is preparing for an impending onslaught and we cannot show signs of weakness to the enemy. The way to go about it is aggressive evangelism. Since the enemy is no longer playing by the rules and has infiltrated and perverted the gospel of Jesus Christ.

I wish you well. Thankyou.
 
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Christians should NOT be judgmental

Matthew 7 New American Bible (Revised Edition) (NABRE)

Chapter 7

1 “Stop judging, that you may not be judged. 2 For as you judge, so will you be judged, and the measure with which you measure will be measured out to you. 3 Why do you notice the splinter in your brother’s eye, but do not perceive the wooden beam in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me remove that splinter from your eye,’ while the wooden beam is in your eye? 5 You hypocrite, remove the wooden beam from your eye first; then you will see clearly to remove the splinter from your brother’s eye.

Christians should be gentle and respectful when speaking with each other and when speaking with non-believers

Proverbs 12:18 New American Standard Bible (NASB)
There is one who speaks rashly like the thrusts of a sword, But the tongue of the wise brings healing.


Proverbs 15:1-2 Good News Translation (GNT)
A gentle answer quiets anger, but a harsh one stirs it up.
When wise people speak, they make knowledge attractive, but stupid people spout nonsense.


Proverbs 18:21 GOD’S WORD Translation (GW)
The tongue has the power of life and death, and those who love to talk will have to eat their own words.


Matthew 12:36-37 New American Standard Bible (NASB)
But I tell you that every careless word that people speak, they shall give an accounting for it in the day of judgment. For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned.”

One of the most important lessons we can learn from this teaching from our Lord is that when we act as another person's judge we must understand that we ourselves will be judged likewise. Rather than trying to pit this teaching against St. Paul's statement about judging within the Church, that we should become very self reflective about our own attitudes toward others. If we presume to stand as another person's judge we subject ourselves to judgment--as such the reality of our own judgment which is to come should humble us and keep us repentant.

There may be times to call people out.
But we are accountable for every thought, every action, and every word. We are, none of us, fit to judge another; that does not mean to remain quiet when someone does something harmful or injurious, nor does it mean to become apathetic; but it does mean that we must always remember that we are sinful wretches who have nothing of ourselves that is righteous to present before God and that our one saving grace (literally) is Jesus Christ our Lord.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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One of the most important lessons we can learn from this teaching from our Lord is that when we act as another person's judge we must understand that we ourselves will be judged likewise. But we are accountable for every thought, every action, and every word. We are, none of us, fit to judge another; that does not mean to remain quiet when someone does something harmful or injurious, nor does it mean to become apathetic; but it does mean that we must always remember that we are sinful wretches who have nothing of ourselves that is righteous to present before God and that our one saving grace (literally) is Jesus Christ our Lord.

-CryptoLutheran

Amen to that!!
 
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For people to advertise to the world that the pure, sinless and Holy Bride of Christ is a sinner, is outright blaspheming against Jesus Christ, the sinless groom who purified her by his blood.

I would also go to say that people of the world who judge the sinless bride of Christ by lebelling her a sinner, is blaspheming her works and thereby are unwittingly blaspheming the Holy Ghost who works through her by sanctifying her before the Living God as Christ's pure, sinless and Holy Bride.

That is why it is the world that is judging the Bride of Christ and not the other way around.

Some may say why does the bride point fingers, bring spiritual awareness and to give dire warnings to an unrepentant world?

That is because it is her job to do so, no different to a police officer who gives trafic infringement notices after an offense is committed. A police officer doesn't.....

Converse in a loving and relatable way to those who continue to break the law

Similarly the Holy Bride, His Church is commissioned according to the three angel messages to issue infringement notices to the world that infringes on God's commandments and his Holy ways.

Who would argue with God to what the Bride can and cannot do. Sure the beastly governments who have been infiltrated by homosexuals, anarchists and God haters will try to enforce and to legislate matters that cross over into morality and therefore inpinging on God's objective moral laws. This would be a precursor to war, whereby the Bride is now under attack from within and without and persecution and onslaught is imminent. But wow onto those within that aid and abet the enemy!
The apostle paul said its not his business to judge the world, because its Gods job to judge the world. 1 Corinthians 5:12-13
 
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The apostle paul said its not his business to judge the world, because its Gods job to judge the world. 1 Corinthians 5:12-13

Amen to that!!
 
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All Jesus is saying is dont be a hypocrite, judge yourself before going and judging someone else. We are to judge righteously, and ultimately its our Father God who is the judge, not us.

In the old testmament there is a whole book called...JUDGES. Lol. God actually did appoint people to go and judge his chosen ones that they follow his commandments. What went wrong was that everyone thought they were right in their own eyes not Gods eyes.
 
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