Third Temple

keras said:

The borders of Beulah will encompass all the area given to Abraham; from the Nile to the Euphrates. Micah 7:11-13, Isaiah 35:1-10, Isaiah 54:2-3, Isaiah 26:15

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That comparatively small (relative to today's total inhabited) area will accommodate 7,000,000,000+ people (and possibly many more depending on when final events unfold)?

jgr said:

That comparatively small (relative to today's total inhabited) area will accommodate 7,000,000,000+ people (and possibly many more depending on when final events unfold)?

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No: it will accommodate all the true, born again Christian people. People from every race, nation and language, will gather and live there, in the new nation of Beulah. Isaiah 35:1-10, Romans 9:24-28
Many millions will die when the Lord unleashes His Day of wrath. Ezekiel 30:1-5, Jeremiah 10:18, Hebrews 10:27, Romans 1:18, Psalms 97:3-5, Jeremiah 25:33 +

Widlast said:

Basically you are just passing gas into the wind. The religious authorities of Israel are the ones who will determine what temple gets built and when.

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Makes no difference to me what they do any more than what islamic religious authorities decide about where to build mosques...
I have the same opinion of Christ rejectors of any stripe.

And they could not care less about your opinions.

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Nor do I theirs..

Whether it is, or is not Biblical in your opinion is MEANINGLESS.

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It's not meaningless to Jesus Christ, and i side with Him.

Frankly, I don't care what they do. I just have read what they intend to do, and am willing to take THEIR word for it.

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As a student of scripture an history, I'm intrigued and almost amused with all the bloviating about a 3rd temple.. so far it's all... what did you say? - Passing Gas into the wind.

My money is still on the Israel of God.

keras said:

No: it will accommodate all the true, born again Christian people.

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Sorry, I won't be there. Heading from here straight up to the land of the heavenly Jerusalem, never to return.

jgr said:

Sorry, I won't be there. Heading from here straight up to the land of the heavenly Jerusalem, never to return.

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Where exactly do you get that idea? I know the Bible very well and I do not see a rapture to heaven of living people anywhere.
Note that I quote scripture to prove what will happen, not my or anyone else's fanciful notions.

"And I saw no temple therein; for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it" (Revelation 21:22).

This verse from Revelation 21 describes New Jerusalem as it exists after the Second Coming. Notice it says explicitly "THERE WILL BE NO PHYSICAL TEMPLE OF STONE FOUND ANYWHERE IN THE CITY OF JERUSALEM !

What happened to the mythical reconstructed Third Temple ?! Where in Bible prophecy is its' destruction described ?! Why is it not present in New Jerusalem according to Revelation 21:22 ?!

(ANSWER). IT NEVER existed in the first place. The reconstructed Third temple is a MYTH.

If God ripped the temple veil in half on the day Christ died at Calvary, who is going to repair it?
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stephen583 said:

"And I saw no temple therein; for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it" (Revelation 21:22).

This verse from Revelation 21 describes New Jerusalem as it exists after the Second Coming. Notice it says explicitly "THERE WILL BE NO PHYSICAL TEMPLE OF STONE FOUND ANYWHERE IN THE CITY OF JERUSALEM !

What happened to the mythical reconstructed Third Temple ?! Where in Bible prophecy is its' destruction described ?! Why is it not present in New Jerusalem according to Revelation 21:22 ?!

(ANSWER). IT NEVER existed in the first place. The reconstructed Third temple is a MYTH.

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That's a description of the New Jerusalem, not the existing Jerusalem. That's a bit like comparing structures between York in England and New York in the US.

This city comes out of the heaven, and may or may not actually touch down upon the Earth. Meanwhile, we are told the earthly Jerusalem will reside on a mountain while the entire area surrounding it will become a great plain after the Lord returns to it (Zechariah 14:10).

SeventyOne said:

That's a description of the New Jerusalem, not the existing Jerusalem. That's a bit like comparing structures between York in England and New York in the US.

This city comes out of the heaven, and may or may not actually touch down upon the Earth. Meanwhile, we are told the earthly Jerusalem will reside on a mountain while the entire area surrounding it will become a great plain after the Lord returns to it (Zechariah 14:10).

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Using the Old Testament to interpret the New Testament is always looking through the wrong end of the telescope.
Progressive revelation dictates that the New Testament writers give us a clearer picture of God's Word.

On the road to Emmaus Christ said the whole Old Testament was about Him.

We find in Revelation 11 that the earthly Jerusalem is compared to Sodom.
That does not sound like a city in a right relationship with God.

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BABerean2 said:

Using the Old Testament to interpret the New Testament is always looking through the wrong end of the telescope.
Progressive revelation dictates that the New Testament writers give us a clearer picture of God's Word.

On the road to Emmaus Christ said the whole Old Testament was about Him.

We find in Revelation 11 that the earthly Jerusalem is compared to Sodom.
That does not sound like a city in a right relationship with God.

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Yes, progressive revelation does that. But my comments were about confusion of completely different revelations.

Not the same thing.

keras said:

Where exactly do you get that idea? I know the Bible very well and I do not see a rapture to heaven of living people anywhere.
Note that I quote scripture to prove what will happen, not my or anyone else's fanciful notions.

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Nope, not a rapture, I'm not returning to endure a hypothetical millennium.

SeventyOne said:

Yes, progressive revelation does that. But my comments were about confusion of completely different revelations.

Not the same thing.

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Then show how Zechariah 14:10 is related to Revelation 11:8.

Rev 11:8　 And their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.　

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BABerean2 said:

Then show how Zechariah 14:10 is related to Revelation 11:8.

Rev 11:8 And their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

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One is pre-return during the Tribulation and the other post-return.

SeventyOne said:

One is pre-return during the Tribulation and the other post-return.

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Can you show a temple post-return that is not in the New Heavens and the New Earth, in the Book of Revelation?

Rev_3:12　 He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God, and he shall go out no more. I will write on him the name of My God and the name of the city of My God, the New Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from My God. And I will write on him My new name.

Rev_7:15　 Therefore they are before the throne of God, and serve Him day and night in His temple. And He who sits on the throne will dwell among them.

Rev_11:1　 Then I was given a reed like a measuring rod. And the angel stood, saying, "Rise and measure the temple of God, the altar, and those who worship there.

Rev_11:2　 But leave out the court which is outside the temple, and do not measure it, for it has been given to the Gentiles. And they will tread the holy city underfoot for forty-two months.

Rev_11:19　 Then the temple of God was opened in heaven, and the ark of His covenant was seen in His temple. And there were lightnings, noises, thunderings, an earthquake, and great hail.

Rev_14:15　 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to Him who sat on the cloud, "Thrust in Your sickle and reap, for the time has come for You to reap, for the harvest of the earth is ripe."

Rev_14:17　 Then another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle.

Rev_15:5　 After these things I looked, and behold, the temple of the tabernacle of the testimony in heaven was opened.

Rev_15:6　 And out of the temple came the seven angels having the seven plagues, clothed in pure bright linen, and having their chests girded with golden bands.

Rev_15:8　 The temple was filled with smoke from the glory of God and from His power, and no one was able to enter the temple till the seven plagues of the seven angels were completed.

Rev_16:1　 Then I heard a loud voice from the temple saying to the seven angels, "Go and pour out the bowls of the wrath of God on the earth."

Rev_16:17　 Then the seventh angel poured out his bowl into the air, and a loud voice came out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, "It is done!"

Rev_21:22　 But I saw no temple in it, for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple.

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BABerean2 said:

Can you show a temple post-return that is not in the New Heavens and the New Earth, in the Book of Revelation?

Rev_3:12 He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God, and he shall go out no more. I will write on him the name of My God and the name of the city of My God, the New Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from My God. And I will write on him My new name.

Rev_7:15 Therefore they are before the throne of God, and serve Him day and night in His temple. And He who sits on the throne will dwell among them.

Rev_11:1 Then I was given a reed like a measuring rod. And the angel stood, saying, "Rise and measure the temple of God, the altar, and those who worship there.

Rev_11:2 But leave out the court which is outside the temple, and do not measure it, for it has been given to the Gentiles. And they will tread the holy city underfoot for forty-two months.

Rev_11:19 Then the temple of God was opened in heaven, and the ark of His covenant was seen in His temple. And there were lightnings, noises, thunderings, an earthquake, and great hail.

Rev_14:15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to Him who sat on the cloud, "Thrust in Your sickle and reap, for the time has come for You to reap, for the harvest of the earth is ripe."

Rev_14:17 Then another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle.

Rev_15:5 After these things I looked, and behold, the temple of the tabernacle of the testimony in heaven was opened.

Rev_15:6 And out of the temple came the seven angels having the seven plagues, clothed in pure bright linen, and having their chests girded with golden bands.

Rev_15:8 The temple was filled with smoke from the glory of God and from His power, and no one was able to enter the temple till the seven plagues of the seven angels were completed.

Rev_16:1 Then I heard a loud voice from the temple saying to the seven angels, "Go and pour out the bowls of the wrath of God on the earth."

Rev_16:17 Then the seventh angel poured out his bowl into the air, and a loud voice came out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, "It is done!"

Rev_21:22 But I saw no temple in it, for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple.

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Nope. He gave us other revelation with those details.

Answer me this, when He returns, where is the first place He'll set His feet?

SeventyOne said:

Nope. He gave us other revelation with those details.

Answer me this, when He returns, where is the first place He'll set His feet?

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Based on 2 Peter 3:10, and references to the Mount of Olives, when His heel touches the earth at the Mount of Olives it will begin the greatest earthquake in history that will level all of the mountains and move the islands out of their places.
If you know anything about geology, this is an event that will reshape the surface of the planet killing those still on it's surface.

We find in 2 Thessalonians chapter 1 that He returns in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God. The flaming fire is going to be hard on those still in their normal flesh bodies.

On the Day of the Lord, when He returns as a thief in the night, this rotten, sin-cursed world is going to be burned up and dissolved. This will bring in the New Heavens and the New Earth, which is what Peter was looking for in 2 Peter chapter 3.
I am looking for the same thing.
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BABerean2 said:

Based on 2 Peter 3:10, and references to the Mount of Olives, when His heel touches the earth at the Mount of Olives it will begin the greatest earthquake in history that will level all of the mountains and move the islands out of their places.
If you know anything about geology, this is an event that will reshape the surface of the planet killing those still on it's surface.

We find in 2 Thessalonians chapter 1 that He returns in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God. The flaming fire is going to be hard on those still in their normal flesh bodies.

On the Day of the Lord, when He returns as a thief in the night, this rotten, sin-cursed world is going to be burned up and dissolved. This will bring in the New Heavens and the New Earth, which is what Peter was looking for in 2 Peter chapter 3.
I am looking for the same thing.
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It's not based on 2 Peter 3:10. It's based on the prophecies in Zechariah 14 that you avoid as being superseded by other prophecies. It's intermingled with the promises of His earthly return, residing in an earthly Temple in Jerusalem.

This is the same chapter that talks of the earthly Jerusalem being lifted up and the surrounding area reduced to plains, that you started arguing against. At least you believe something Zechariah said...


Zec 14:4-5 - On that day his feet shall stand on the Mount of Olives that lies before Jerusalem on the east, and the Mount of Olives shall be split in two from east to west by a very wide valley, so that one half of the Mount shall move northward, and the other half southward. And you shall flee to the valley of my mountains, for the valley of the mountains shall reach to Azal. And you shall flee as you fled from the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah. Then the LORD my God will come, and all the holy ones with him.

SeventyOne said:

At least you believe something Zechariah said...


Zec 14:4-5 - On that day his feet shall stand on the Mount of Olives that lies before Jerusalem on the east, and the Mount of Olives shall be split in two from east to west by a very wide valley, so that one half of the Mount shall move northward, and the other half southward. And you shall flee to the valley of my mountains, for the valley of the mountains shall reach to Azal. And you shall flee as you fled from the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah. Then the LORD my God will come, and all the holy ones with him.

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Why do you suppose Jesus claimed to Have Fulfilled Zechariah 14:8 during His earthly ministry?