The Epistle of James > theology . . . love-ology (c:

W2L · Mar 17, 2017

com7fy8 said:
Well, W2L, the LORD willing, I plan to share about every verse in the Epistle of James, with others welcome to join in; so in case we do this and are sharing about the love meaning of each scripture . . . this should keep our thread going for a while

God bless you . . . it is good to see you

Bill

Thank you for the warm welcome. Keep posting, i'll keep reading.

com7fy8 · Mar 17, 2017

W2L said:
Keep posting, i'll keep reading.

Ok - - -

"If any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask of God, who gives liberally and without reproach, and it will be given to him." (James 1:5)

What do we understand that James means, by "wisdom"?

I consider James 3:13-18

W2L · Mar 17, 2017

com7fy8 said:
Ok - - -

"If any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask of God, who gives liberally and without reproach, and it will be given to him." (James 1:5)

What do we understand that James means, by "wisdom"?

I consider James 3:13-18

Yes, James 3:13-18. Amen.

W2L · Mar 17, 2017

I believe we should use James 3:13-18 when examining ourselves. It can help us correct flaws in our thinking and actions.

throughfiierytrial · Mar 17, 2017

com7fy8 said:
James 1:1 > James calls Jesus, here, "the Lord Jesus Christ". So, this message was written while people knew that Jesus is the Lord of all. And James knows that Jesus is the Lord of all.

This means Jesus has got it all, of all which is good. So, with Him in His love we share all His very own good . . . more and more as we grow and mature in God's love. And this matches with how our Apostle Paul says >

"Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ," (Ephesians 1:3)

In Jesus Christ's love in us, we have His very own spiritual blessedness shared with us . . . more and more as we grow in Jesus (Galatians 4:19). And in this message of James, we have plenty to help us to gain this and grow in this, with God and each other.

So . . . God, please bless us, howsoever You please, while we feed through Your word, here Thank You in the name of Jesus our Lord and Savior

What I love is the way the Word gently and subtly drops huge gems all the while mingled or interwoven in the text. They can be read as a story or at times huge testimony.
James 1:1 continues from where you left off to say...To the twelve tribes of Israel scattered among the nations.
Yes we are the nation of Israel now, all believers in Christ...and we are indeed scattered among the nations.

Nice train of thought you are bringing out com7fy8...LOVE...a good study and one much needed in the midst of the heated debates which leave us sounding less like Christians and perhaps more like war mongers. Thank you. I shall try to add to your love study, love and joy, as the thread progresses.

throughfiierytrial · Mar 18, 2017

com7fy8 said:
After James says to count it joy when we go through different trials, he says,

"knowing that the testing of your faith produces patience." (James 1:3)

So, James knows how there is a connection between joy and patience . . . in God's love. In God's love, we have all His best of everything > "every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places" (in Ephesians 1:3) > in this love, we are

"strengthened with all might, according to His glorious power, for all patience and longsuffering with joy; giving thanks to the Father" (in Colossians 1:11-12).

So, there is joy in godly patience, in various trials. And our Apostle Paul says love "suffers long and is kind", in 1 Corinthians 13:4. So, we are talking about patience which is not worldly and struggling and fighting to hide and hold in nasty anger. But God's patience of God's love is kind with pleasant joy. Love's patience makes us deeply stable and safe.

And this matches, also, with how our Apostle Peter says,

"And who is he who will harm you if you become followers of what is good?" (1 Peter 3:13)

So, James is so strongly confronting sin and its unsoundness, then, but encouraging how we can have loving and kind patience with joy while we go through things God's way.

In God's love we have His almighty power glorious with patience and joy, which keeps us safe from being harmed, deeply in us. This includes immunity against fear >

"There is no fear in love; but perfect love casts out fear, because fear involves torment. But he who fears has not been made perfect in love." (1 John 4:18)

So, we can see how James, right away, is confirming and bearing witness to strong and good things of God's word in the Gospels and Paul and Peter. Right away, here, he is emphasizing how we can become "strong in the Lord", (Ephesians 6:10) then . . . in the patience and joy of Jesus.

And all through this epistle James strongly confronts different sorts of sin and wrong, but also he keeps giving strong encouragements to all which we can have with God, instead. He confronts what is wrong, and shares what we need to do about it . . . including how at the end of this letter James tells us what to do so we can be "healed" (James 5:16) of what makes us able to sin and suffer, and "healed" more and more together in sharing with God in His own love, instead. But this does not come only with some one prayer with magic words, but first he feeds us what is needed, so our mutual confessing and mutual healing prayer can work so well.

And all through this epistle James strongly confronts different sorts of sin and wrong, but also he keeps giving strong encouragements to all which we can have with God, instead. He confronts what is wrong, and shares what we need to do about it . . . including how at the end of this letter James tells us what to do so we can be "healed" (James 5:16) of what makes us able to sin and suffer, and "healed" more and more together in sharing with God in His own love, instead. But this does not come only with some one prayer with magic words, but first he feeds us what is needed, so our mutual confessing and mutual healing prayer can work so well.[/QUOTE]
I believe here you need to bring out that it is the Holy Spirit who reveals to us what we need to pray for (Romans 8:26) because often in our weakness we do not ourselves know and sometimes we groan in deep need for repentance or for others...we lack the thought and words. But, yes, I do agree it is the Word which reveals to us our needs and embarrassingly enough sometimes another brother or sister in Christ will also reveal our sin to us.

com7fy8 · Mar 18, 2017

throughfireytrial said:
I believe here you need to bring out that it is the Holy Spirit who reveals to us what we need to pray for (Romans 8:26) because often in our weakness we do not ourselves know and sometimes we groan in deep need for repentance or for others...we lack the thought and words. But, yes, I do agree it is the Word which reveals to us our needs and embarrassingly enough sometimes another brother or sister in Christ will also reveal our sin to us.

Very good. We are "members of one another" (Romans 12:5, Ephesians 4:25). We need each other's help; so I understand we need to pray and trust God to have us know who we do well to trust to help us. And actively seek our Father's correction > Hebrews 12:4-11 < verse nine, here, says to be in "subjection" to our Father; to me, this means to actively seek Him for His correction which does us so much good; and welcome and encourage each other's help. I now see that our main need of correction is in our roots, deeper than we can see; so, without necessarily seeing, I think we can just know we need to pray for correction

And we have, "praying in the Holy Spirit, keep yourselves in the love of God," in Jude 20-21. I understand this means to submit to how the Holy Spirit has us praying. And we discover what this will be

So, thank you for sharing. Yes, the Holy Spirit knows what sin problems we need to pray about. We can . . . I suspect . . . have our own ways of picking and choosing what we want to deal with; and it may have more to do with problems which interfere with how we want to live our lives. But God will be most concerned with how we need to learn how to love . . . while He is conforming us to how Jesus is. And this brings us to asking for what James means by "wisdom". As we have already quoted, he says,

"If any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask of God, who gives to all liberally and without reproach, and it will be given to him." (James 1:5)

Now I might tend to think wisdom has to do with being smart and using common sense about things, but later we have . . . in this same Epistle of James >

"But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, willing to yield, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy." (James 3:17)

I see this means not only being practical and smart and having understanding, but this is talking about how we are in our character. And this description matches with our Apostle Paul's description of love in 1 Corinthians 13! Plus, Peter says,

"rather let it be the hidden person of the heart, with the incorruptible beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is very precious in the sight of God." (1 Peter 3:4)

So, by being gentle and quiet in God's love, we are being pleasing to our Father . . . in our character being gentle and quiet by nature. This comes more and more with God correcting and curing how we are, in His love (1 John 4:17). And the wisdom from above includes being "gentle".

So, all of these scriptures mean becoming like Jesus who is "gentle and lowly in heart" (in Matthew 11:28-30), and Paul does say Jesus is "the wisdom of God", in 1 Corinthians 1:24. So, I see how all these scriptures of the Gospel and Paul and James and Peter match, and inter-feed about how we need to become like Jesus.

And yes . . . only the Holy Spirit can do this with us. This is not some do-it-ourselves correction thing; we can tend to pick and choose certain characteristics which we think we need; but God's love has all His good characteristics together, and we grow in all together of Jesus in us as our new inner Person (Galatians 4:19); it is like how a fruit has all its characteristics growing and developing together

I notice, by the way, while I was trying to write James 3:17 from memory, I left out the "full of mercy and good fruits" part!! I have not been picking and choosing this!! And I do understand how we can have our way of not thinking about and remembering things which we are lacking in. And I can still get into paranoid suspicion and criticism against people . . . instead of first having mercy and being abundantly fruitful in God's love for them. Fruit is sweet and sweet-smelling, and Jesus on Calvary was "a sweet-smelling aroma" (Ephesians 5:2) in His love for us. And Ephesians 5:2 tells us that our Father desires that we love the way Jesus on Calvary has loved us.

So, I do need to become much more sweetly loving, with generous compassion > Hebrews 5:2 < for any and all people, like Jesus on the cross, and not be only intellectually wise.

So, it is like you said, Through Fiery Trial . . . we need how the Holy Spirit shows us things. And we help each other

I have a couple of good ministers who talk about how we need to love everyone. One has said I should not be telling myself that I am glad that I am not like certain people. But be humble about how God has had mercy on me; be an example to help people who are wrong and impossible and thorn-in-the-flesh people. And love "hopes all things" (in 1 Corinthians 13:7) > have hope for any person, at all > Jesus on the cross died with hope for any evil person, at all.

So, thank you, God bless you, hope to see you

Bill

com7fy8 · Mar 20, 2017

After James says to ask God for wisdom, he says >

"But let him ask in faith, with no doubting, for he who doubts is like a wave of the sea driven and tossed by the wind." (James 1:6)

Going by the description of wisdom, in James 3:17, I would say that wisdom is the way of character of God's love. So, we can know for sure that God is committed to having us become the way His love is, in our nature. This is something we can ask for and be sure He wants this for us.

So, in case someone does doubt this . . . the person is like a wave which is being tossed around by the wind. And it is like this for us > if we are not in the nature and stability of God's love, we can be easily tossed and dragged around by various feelings and lusts and emotions and commotion and out-of-control reacting of being under the power of our circumstances and what is happening to our treasure pleasures. We need for God to be our treasure, and so we are stable because He can't change on us and go through changes; and so neither do we if we are depending on Him and share with Him in His love and personal leading

And so, for me, this includes how if I am first caring about people, instead of imagining lust things and paranoid things, then I am staying busy with loving the way God wants, and this keeps me stable in sweet and sensitive joy and peace which are in His unconditional love

And this is a wise way to be, I would say . . . though I am not perfect at this: it is worth the investment and keeping on investing.

com7fy8 · Mar 20, 2017

About the person who is doubting in prayer, James says >

"For let not that man suppose that he will receive anything from the Lord;" (James 1:7)

This is pretty strong, that if I am doubting I should not expect to get anything from God. But if I am a deeply wrong person, how can I get myself to become wise enough to pray right? There have been times when I was aware of how I was not for real with God and so how could I ever pray right in order to get anything from Him? But it came to me that this is God's word with God's intention >

"'So shall My word be that goes forth from My mouth;
. It shall not return to Me void,
. But it shall accomplish what I please,
. And it shall prosper in the thing for which I sent it.'"
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . (Isaiah 55:11)

The purpose of this word is not to condemn me and say there is no hope for me. But this word "shall accomplish" all which God means by this and desires with me. And God is able to correct me so then I do pray the way He desires, the way He means His word, and better than how I might try to get myself to satisfy Him

Now - - another thing, by the way > while we are not God's way in His love, we are not wise enough to handle well what we ask for in our lives and relationships. Only in God's love do we have our Creator's creativity for doing the loving things which He wants us to do to love any and all people. So, in case we are not in His all-loving love . . . we can't handle the good that we might ask for. So, first we need the correction > Hebrews 12:4-11, 1 John 4:17.

And this is part of why our practical prayers might not get answered: because we are not ready to handle them the really right way and benefit from them the way we could; also God does things in His all-loving way, for the benefit of all people and not only for us > this includes how in Jesus we are "members of one another" (Romans 12:5, Ephesians 4:25); and so what God does with each of us is going to be in relation with and His timing with how He also is blessing all of us Jesus brothers and sisters :clap:

Thank You, God our Heavenly Father, for Your goodness of love and joy and peace in sharing with You and one another

com7fy8 · Mar 20, 2017

About the one who asks in doubt, James says,

"he is a double-minded man, unstable in all his ways." (James 1:8)

Being double-minded can include that we may believe in God and look to Him, somehow, but we mainly are trying to use God for things for our own selves, and maybe for certain ones who are our favorites; but Jesus warns, "if you love those who love you, what reward have you?" (in Matthew 5:46)

If we are not valuing Him most of all, we can be setting our hearts on things selfish, and not first loving Him. And this has us so we are not personally sharing with Him in His love, like I think Paul means in Romans 5:5, and Jude means in Jude 20-21. But we can be treating God like He's at some distance and as though we need to try to talk a certain way in order to get Him to do what we want.

And because we are not with God in His love, because of our selfish praying, we are deeply weak so many sorts of torments can mess up our personalities; and our torments of lusts can make us more and more desperate, even, to try to get our treasure pleasures which we hope to use to make ourselves feel better. But things can't do this. It does not work. Because our deep selfish nature keeps us weak so we can keep on suffering and failing; so this needs to be changed before God answering our prayer can do us real good

And God is telling us He has hope with desire for us to become intimate with Him in His own love. And in His wisdom . . . in the nature and disposition of how His love is . . . we are how wisdom is > "first pure, then peaceable, gentle, willing to yield, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy." (in James 3:27) And in this nature of God's love, we also have His "knowledge and all discernment" (Philippians 1:9), and His own creativity shared with us. And this is all the time, as much as we grow in this . . . more and more constantly discovering all He pleases to do and share with us.

In God's love we have His own light for seeing people and things right. And light shows so much, a big perspective as well as details . . . so more than words can tell. And this is more and more all the time, with God.

W2L · Mar 20, 2017

com7fy8 said:
After James says to ask God for wisdom, he says >

"But let him ask in faith, with no doubting, for he who doubts is like a wave of the sea driven and tossed by the wind." (James 1:6)

Going by the description of wisdom, in James 3:17, I would say that wisdom is the way of character of God's love. So, we can know for sure that God is committed to having us become the way His love is, in our nature. This is something we can ask for and be sure He wants this for us.

So, in case someone does doubt this . . . the person is like a wave which is being tossed around by the wind. And it is like this for us > if we are not in the nature and stability of God's love, we can be easily tossed and dragged around by various feelings and lusts and emotions and commotion and out-of-control reacting of being under the power of our circumstances and what is happening to our treasure pleasures. We need for God to be our treasure, and so we are stable because He can't change on us and go through changes; and so neither do we if we are depending on Him and share with Him in His love and personal leading

And so, for me, this includes how if I am first caring about people, instead of imagining lust things and paranoid things, then I am staying busy with loving the way God wants, and this keeps me stable in sweet and sensitive joy and peace which are in His unconditional love And this is a wise way to be, I would say . . . though I am not perfect at this: it is worth the investment and keeping on investing.

James 3:17 sure is an enlightening verse, from which we can examine ourselves by, and act accordingly. Thank you for sharing it, its a good reminder

W2L · Mar 20, 2017

com7fy8 said:
About the one who asks in doubt, James says,

"he is a double-minded man, unstable in all his ways." (James 1:8)

Being double-minded can include that we may believe in God and look to Him, somehow, but we mainly are trying to use God for things for our own selves, and maybe for certain ones who are our favorites; but Jesus warns, "if you love those who love you, what reward have you?" (in Matthew 5:46)

If we are not valuing Him most of all, we can be setting our hearts on things selfish, and not first loving Him. And this has us so we are not personally sharing with Him in His love, like I think Paul means in Romans 5:5, and Jude means in Jude 20-21. But we can be treating God like He's at some distance and as though we need to try to talk a certain way in order to get Him to do what we want.

And because we are not with God in His love, because of our selfish praying, we are deeply weak so many sorts of torments can mess up our personalities; and our torments of lusts can make us more and more desperate, even, to try to get our treasure pleasures which we hope to use to make ourselves feel better. But things can't do this. It does not work. Because our deep selfish nature keeps us weak so we can keep on suffering and failing; so this needs to be changed before God answering our prayer can do us real good

And God is telling us He has hope with desire for us to become intimate with Him in His own love. And in His wisdom . . . in the nature and disposition of how His love is . . . we are how wisdom is > "first pure, then peaceable, gentle, willing to yield, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy." (in James 3:27) And in this nature of God's love, we also have His "knowledge and all discernment" (Philippians 1:9), and His own creativity shared with us. And this is all the time, as much as we grow in this . . . more and more constantly discovering all He pleases to do and share with us.

In God's love we have His own light for seeing people and things right. And light shows so much, a big perspective as well as details . . . so more than words can tell. And this is more and more all the time, with God.

Romans 5:5 reminds me of the power of Christ that Paul mentions in 2 Corinthians 12:9. If you notice, in both scriptures, he mentions the glorying in suffering. So i theorize that the power of Christ that Paul mentions is the love of God.

com7fy8 · Mar 21, 2017

W2L said:
Romans 5:5 reminds me of the power of Christ that Paul mentions in 2 Corinthians 12:9. If you notice, in both scriptures, he mentions the glorying in suffering. So i theorize that the power of Christ that Paul mentions is the love of God.

God's love has God's power almighty, including able to cast out fear and all its personality torments >

"There is no fear in love; but perfect love casts out fear, because fear involves torment. But he who fears has not been made perfect in love." (1 John 4:17)

And this fits with how "the peace of God, which surpasses all understanding, will guard your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus" (in Philippians 4:6-7).

In God's love we have God's peace which is almighty to guard our hearts and minds. And Jesus guarantees, "you will find rest for your souls," in Matthew 11:28-30. And James 3:17 says the wisdom from above is "peaceable"; so it is wise to have wisdom which makes us immune against the sin-sick effects of evil feelings and emotions and desires and thoughts. Jesus and James and John and Paul are talking about the same thing, then

So . . . yes, and thank you for sharing

W2L · Mar 21, 2017

com7fy8 said:
God's love has God's power almighty, including able to cast out fear and all its personality torments >

"There is no fear in love; but perfect love casts out fear, because fear involves torment. But he who fears has not been made perfect in love." (1 John 4:17)

And this fits with how "the peace of God, which surpasses all understanding, will guard your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus" (in Philippians 4:6-7).

In God's love we have God's peace which is almighty to guard our hearts and minds. And Jesus guarantees, "you will find rest for your souls," in Matthew 11:28-30. And James 3:17 says the wisdom from above is "peaceable"; so it is wise to have wisdom which makes us immune against the sin-sick effects of evil feelings and emotions and desires and thoughts. Jesus and James and John and Paul are talking about the same thing, then

So . . . yes, and thank you for sharing

I agree.

com7fy8 · Mar 21, 2017

"Let the lowly brother glory in his exaltation," (James 1:9)

Then, in the next verse it says, "but the rich in his humiliation, because as a flower of the field he will pass away."

So, here "lowly" could mean not being high in possession of this world's things. Yet, it says for him to glory. I think of how if I went through a big change so all of a sudden I had nothing in this world, right then I could simply do what God wants. Having nothing would not stop God from having me do exactly what He wants. And I think of how Joseph suddenly found himself sold as a slave > his own brothers sold him into slavery in Egypt; but with God Joseph used his situation to help many people > Genesis 37-50 > not only did he get God's good for his own self and family, but God with Joseph produced all-loving good (Genesis 50:19-21)! Because God is all-loving, in how He blesses us.

And Jesus on the cross was in such a different situation than He had been in; yet He was obeying our all-loving Father; and so there has been the all-loving result of Jesus on the cross.

So . . . in any situation . . . rich or poor . . . simply obey God > and this is what God said to Abraham after he obeyed the LORD >

"'In your seed all the nations of the earth shall be blessed, because you have obeyed My voice.'" (Genesis 22:18)

Because - - - when we obey God, we are obeying His all-loving love which produces His all-loving results.

com7fy8 · Mar 21, 2017

We can fit James 1:9-11 with Psalm 103:15-16 which says,

"As for man, his days are like grass;
.As a flower of the field, so he flourishes.
.For the wind passes over it, and it is gone,
.And its place remembers it no more."
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . (Psalm 103:15-16)

So, not only the rich but anyone will be here only a little while. So, no one has anything in this life to boast about. And I think of how people can try to make their own little kingdoms which they control. But how they rule their own thing can produce trouble and pain. But Psalm 103 says the LORD crowns us with "lovingkindness and tender mercies" (in Psalm 103:4). So, from this I see how we do not only have a crown of power and authority to get people and things to do what we want, but God gives us ruling power for producing the good which His "lovingkindness and tender mercies" have us sharing and procuding for any and all people.

So, by means of ruling with love and kindness and tender caring, we can do so much more than this world's people have done. By obeying God and doing what He has you do in His love, you accomplish more than all secular politicians combined have done in all human history. We minister God's grace while we do His will, and His grace is the effect of His own love in us making us more and more like Jesus. I think this fits with the description of wisdom, in James 3:17

com7fy8 · Mar 21, 2017

"nor as being lords over those entrusted to you, but being examples to the flock." (1 Peter 5:3)

Example . . . yes > our example can produce so much better than just trying to control people to do what we dictate.

com7fy8 · Mar 21, 2017

In James 1:11, talking about a flower, he says,

"its beautiful appearance perishes." Then James says, "So the rich man also will fade away in his pursuits."

So, the beauty of this world will perish. And Peter says,

"rather let it be the hidden person of the heart, with the incorruptible beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is very precious in the sight of God." (1 Peter 3:4)

So, God desires that we have the beauty of His gentle and quiet love, and this beauty of God's love is "incorruptible". Also, having this beauty is part of how Christian wives can be good examples to win even any disobedient husband > as Peter also does say, in 1 Peter 3:1-4. So, we do well to be good examples in the sight of God, pleasing Him while He uses our real example of how to become in His love.

And, meanwhile, there will be ones of great fame and beauty and accomplishments, but fading away. But our example in God's sight can be used by God who is able to spread this to make others the same way

So, how we really are is how we can be helping others to become ! ! !

W2L · Mar 21, 2017

com7fy8 said:
In James 1:11, talking about a flower, he says,

"its beautiful appearance perishes." Then James says, "So the rich man also will fade away in his pursuits."

So, the beauty of this world will perish. And Peter says,

"rather let it be the hidden person of the heart, with the incorruptible beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is very precious in the sight of God." (1 Peter 3:4)

So, God desires that we have the beauty of His gentle and quiet love, and this beauty of God's love is "incorruptible". Also, having this beauty is part of how Christian wives can be good examples to win even any disobedient husband > as Peter also does say, in 1 Peter 3:1-4. So, we do well to be good examples in the sight of God, pleasing Him while He uses our real example of how to become in His love.

And, meanwhile, there will be ones of great fame and beauty and accomplishments, but fading away. But our example in God's sight can be used by God who is able to spread this to make others the same way So, how we really are is how we can be helping others to become ! ! !

Clothed in Christ.

Matthew 6:28 “So why do you worry about clothing? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow: they neither toil nor spin; 29 and yet I say to you that even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. 30 Now if God so clothes the grass of the field, which today is, and tomorrow is thrown into the oven, will He not much more clothe you, O you of little faith?

com7fy8 · Mar 22, 2017

I said:
how we really are is how we can be helping others to become ! ! !

And W2L said:
Clothed in Christ.

amen

Thank you

"be clothed with humility" (in 1 Peter 5:5) > Jesus says He is "lowly in heart" (Matthew 11:28-30).

And now I see how the humility of Jesus includes how Jesus is not conceited > even though Jesus is so superior to us all, still Jesus left Heaven itself in order to reach us and share His very own with us.

And this its with how James says the poor should be regarded the same as the rich > this comes later > James 2:1-4 < after some more scripture which I would like to share about, in chapter one, here

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