Is Jesus the only one who can pay for our sins?

Fish14 said:

is Jesus the only one who can pay for our sins?

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Yes.

If you want to spend eturnity with God, then you must accept Jesus's sacrifice on your behalf, otherwise you will spend eturnity regretting tat you didn't.

If "hell" isn't the penalty for sin, then what price did Jesus pay that we would avoid paying ourselves?

Somebody will have to pay. If not Jesus, then you. Maybe a better way to put it is there must be a sacrifice for sin and it must be the one that God will accept. There's no use in trying to give him something he doesn't want. If there is no sacrifice, you can't get in. Exile from God's kingdom is your only option.

It's Jesus divine nature that makes Him fit for the work of Redeemer. No one else could meet the requirements to become the sacrifice for the sins of the world (Matt 26:28; 1 Jn 2:2).

His human body allowed Him to shed the blood necessary to redeem. No human being with a sin nature could pay such a debt.

Jesus the Christ, God in the flesh. He alone could pay the sin debt owed for our breaking God's laws.

A sinless Christ's (1 Pet 2:22, 2 Cor 5:21, Heb 4:15, 1 Jn 3:5 1 Pet 1:19) victory over death & the grave won the victory for everyone who puts their trust in Him (Jn 1:12; 1 Cors 15:1-4, Rom 10:8-13)

Fish14 said:

Can unbelievers pay for their sins by being in Hell or is Jesus the only one who can pay for our sins (link)?

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We find from Paul that the wages of sin is death. All men die. All men pay for their sins.

Fish14 said:

Is Jesus the only one who can pay for our sins?
Can unbelievers pay for their sins by being in Hell or is Jesus the only one who can pay for our sins (link)?

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Sin against an infinite God must be paid infinitely. That is why payment for our sin must be infinite. There are only two options for infinite payment. Either a finite creature (man) must pay for his sin for an infinite amount of time, or an infinite Being (Jesus) must pay for it once, for all men for all time. There are no other options. A sin against an infinitely holy God requires an equally infinite satisfaction as payment, and even an eternity in hell will not dissipate God’s infinite, righteous wrath against sin. Only a divine Being could withstand the infinite wrath of a holy God against our sin. It requires an equally infinite Being as a substitute for mankind to satisfy God’s wrath. Jesus, as the God-man, is the only possible Savior.

Butch5 said:

We find from Paul that the wages of sin is death. All men die. All men pay for their sins.

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1 Cor 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; """We shall not all sleep""", but we shall all be changed,

55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?

56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.

57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ


Hosea 13:14 I will ransom them from the power of the grave; I will redeem them from death: O death, I will be thy plagues; O grave, I will be thy destruction: repentance shall be hid from mine eyes.

AJTruth said:

1 Cor 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; """We shall not all sleep""", but we shall all be changed,

55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?

56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.

57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ


Hosea 13:14 I will ransom them from the power of the grave; I will redeem them from death: O death, I will be thy plagues; O grave, I will be thy destruction: repentance shall be hid from mine eyes.

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I'm not sure why you posted these. Did Paul say the wages of sin is death? Does everyone die?

John Hyperspace said:

If "hell" isn't the penalty for sin, then what price did Jesus pay that we would avoid paying ourselves?

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That's a good question. The Scriptures do say Jesus was a ransom.

Fish14 said:

Can unbelievers pay for their sins by being in Hell or is Jesus the only one who can pay for our sins (link)?

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1. 
   If Jesus paid the total price for our sins than there is nothing for God to forgive and if God forgave our sins why do they still have to be paid for?
   
   
2. Going back to Lev. 5 we find unintentional sins (really “minor” sins) could be atoned for with a bag of flour and God would forgive these sins, so was the bag of flour a substitute for the sinner?
   
   
3. Parable (like Matt.18: 21-35) suggest the debt sin creates is unbelievable huge way beyond being paid, but the Master (God) can forgive this debt without anyone else paying the debt, so who is being paid and with what? (Is God blood thirsty?)
   
   
4. The prophets talk about repentance, seeking God’s mercy (Charity) and accepting God’s forgiveness without any mention of Christ paying anything, so where repented of sins “forgive” prior to the cross?
   
   
5. Look at Ro. 3:25 25 God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement, through the shedding of his blood—to be received by faith. He did this to demonstrate his righteousness, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished Paul is a contrast the way sins were handled with Christ going to the cross and prior to Christ going to the cross and it appears repented of sins prior cross were “he (God) had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished” Now “unpunished” could be translated “undisciplined” since they are the same Greek word, so how are we disciplined (punished) with Christ going to the cross?
   
   
6. Paul, Christ, John, Peter and the Hebrew writer all describe Christ’s atoning sacrifice on the cross as a ransom payment (they did not say it was like a ransom payment but was a ransom payment), so who is the kidnapper of the child that would like to go to the father?
   
   
7. According to Dobson we are to discipline our children and not “punish” our children and Loving discipline accepted correctly has lots of wonderful benefits, but it is not the same being punished. How have you been fairly/justly disciplined by your Father for your sinful past?
   

Lot more can be said.

Fish14 said:

Jesus went to paradise, not hell (Luke 23:43). He paid for our sins with His death so how could hell be the penalty for sin?

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Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying "hell is the penalty for sin" (I don't even believe in the common teaching concerning "hell"); but I'm asking, what did Jesus pay that we wouldn't have to pay? Obviously it isn't "hell" since as you said, Jesus isn't in "hell" forever. It wasn't eternal separation from God, since Jesus wasn't eternally separated from God. It can't be death because we still die. It can't be annihilation because Jesus wasn't annihilated. So the question is, what exactly did Jesus pay that we won't have to? If He took our place, our place in relation to, what?

John Hyperspace said:

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying "hell is the penalty for sin" (I don't even believe in the common teaching concerning "hell"); but I'm asking, what did Jesus pay that we wouldn't have to pay? Obviously it isn't "hell" since as you said, Jesus isn't in "hell" forever. It wasn't eternal separation from God, since Jesus wasn't eternally separated from God. It can't be death because we still die. It can't be annihilation because Jesus wasn't annihilated. So the question is, what exactly did Jesus pay that we won't have to? If He took our place, our place in relation to, what?

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The ransom!

section9+1 said:

Somebody will have to pay. If not Jesus, then you. Maybe a better way to put it is there must be a sacrifice for sin and it must be the one that God will accept. There's no use in trying to give him something he doesn't want. If there is no sacrifice, you can't get in. Exile from God's kingdom is your only option.

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Why pay when they have been forgiven? I have asked many here what forgiveness is, but no one has answered. Look it up for yourself and tell us what forgiveness means. There is no need for a sacrifice with forgiveness available.

I asked one person on this forum to find out what forgiveness means, and he walked away. I guess he was sad when he found out Jesus didn't didn't need to be sacrificed. He was so intent on Jesus being a sacrifice, I guess he couldn't bring himself to believe what forgiveness means.

God accepts repentance for the forgiveness of sins. You are right in trying to give Him something He doesn't want. Jesus said He doesn't want sacrifice, but many still try to go that route.

Forgiveness is not available without a payment. If you owed someone $100 and could not pay him and I stepped in and said here's the money, he would be satisfied and would not come after you anymore. Don't make it any more complicated than that. If that doesn't explain it then you are not really looking for an answer, but are just being fussy.

EmSw said:

There is no need for a sacrifice with forgiveness available.

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There is no need for "further" sacrifice since the sacrifice of Jesus is the only sacrifice acceptable to God and it has been done once for all.

EmSw said:

I guess he was sad when he found out Jesus didn't didn't need to be sacrificed. He was so intent on Jesus being a sacrifice, I guess he couldn't bring himself to believe what forgiveness means.

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Jesus doesn't need to be sacrificed "again" since His acceptable sacrifice was once and for all.

That is not the same as saying that "Jesus didn't need to be sacrificed" - and you know it.

EmSw said:

He was so intent on Jesus being a sacrifice, I guess he couldn't bring himself to believe what forgiveness means.

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You are so intent on being seen as worthy of salvation because of your ongoing works that you can't bring yourself to believe what forgiveness means.

EmSw said:

God accepts repentance for the forgiveness of sins. You are right in trying to give Him something He doesn't want.

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Repentance is a necessary part in receiving the sacrifice of Jesus Christ once for all for your sins.

EmSw said:

Jesus said He doesn't want sacrifice, but many still try to go that route.

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Without the shedding of Christ's blood once for all there is no forgiveness of sins.

Without your acceptance of the shedding of Christ's blood as the only remedy for sin there will be no forgiveness of sins for you.

Repent of your own works as the remedy for your sins and receive the Savior and His acceptable necessary sacrifice as your only hope.

section9+1 said:

Forgiveness is not available without a payment.

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You won't find that anywhere in the Bible. The Biblical teaching is that forgiveness is not available without repentance.

section9+1 said:

If you owed someone $100 and could not pay him and I stepped in and said here's the money, he would be satisfied and would not come after you anymore. Don't make it any more complicated than that. If that doesn't explain it then you are not really looking for an answer, but are just being fussy.

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What do you owe? From whom did you borrow anything? Did you borrow sin from someone, and now owe a repayment?

People are so bent on a sacrifice, they do not want to know the truth. NOWHERE will you find Jesus saying anything about Himself being a sacrifice. You would think as important as people make it, He would have mentioned it at least once. But He said NOTHING about a sacrifice.

Now show me where you borrowed something and have to pay it back. Remember, a wage is not borrowing.