Anyone else find the most judgmental people to talk to are other christians?

Are christians more judgmental to other christans then non-christians?

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  • Its about the same from either side.

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  • No.

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With all due respect ... your post is a bit horrifying to me, lol.

What I would say is that you are right, and when people act in judgemental ways, it is because if their self-righteousness, and bolsters that pride. It's very unloving.

But what horrifies me is the thought of all Christians (or even a majority) being this way. If that is one's experience ... I would think one might want to seek another community!

I don't think Orthodox are unique in this (and I haven't always been Orthodox) but we are taught strongly to look to ourselves and not judge others. We have a number of "sayings" and prayers even devoted to this.

If I thought ALL Christians were behaving that way, I would be in despair.

By the way, I think those kinds of shows you speak of are like a train wreck. I've never watched them except a few moments in horror while I was switching channels or if they were on somewhere I happened to be on a public tv by a cashier while paying, or something. I've seen more of them as a kind of satire as part of the plot of a movie than I've actually watched.
I'm using those talk shows as an example of how our feeling better than others is about ourselves as most judgement is.

It is that it makes us feel better. It is driven by pride and us wanting to feel better than others and more Holy.

God looks at the heart so motivation matters to God.
 
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It really impressed me when my own pastor said that if you ever disagree with him on a sermon, come up to him after and talk to him about because maybe he needs correction. I've never heard a pastor admit such a thing. Its great to hear he doesn't think he knows everything!
That is so cool. My pastor takes questions as correction and does not handle it well. That is one of the traits I wish my own pastor did not have.
 
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I think it's important to talk about it so we can examine ourselves.

Whenever a judgmental thought enters my mind I ask myself, is this judgment out of love for the other person, agape love where I get nothing in return, or do I have some selfish reason for thinking this.

If we understand what motivates us we can change. I have changed with God's help. I have squashed a lot of terrible judgements habits. I am a more Godly person for it.

I hope we help each other. Good and Godliness spews forth. Better servants of Christ.

Absolutely, you are right that it is important that we examine ourselves. It's also wonderful that you recognize those thoughts when they come, and judge them for yourself. :)

It took me quite a while to learn to catch the thoughts. Then it was a TERRIBLE struggle to deal with them properly. Sometimes these thoughts are really temptations by the enemy to think a certain way, to cause us to sin. And that was the worst temptation/thought struggle I have faced in my life.

In my case, I was taught to see reasons for others, give them the benefit of the doubt, try to be compassionate about what may have caused them to do what they have done. In that way, we can be moved to love for them, instead of pride in ourselves. It's a win/win way of thinking. I thank God for the godly wisdom He gave others so that I could begin to learn this. I still need lots of practice, and probably always will, but by the grace of God, He uses my efforts for my edification. :)
 
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I might be wrong but i think it´s an ego problem, it´s like we humans can´t be low key, we always have to be fundamental. If we believe something we believe it a 100% and we will fight for that belief. It´s natural to try to convince other people of our beliefs, but it is wrong, because it´s selfish i think. The line is very thin between talking and convincing.That is why most of us are here, to be heard, to get others to listen to us, mostly because of our ego, it feells like that to me, but i could be wrong. This forum to me is often about who can yell the loudest. I´m no saint, i can yell too, I don´t think that is how it´s supposed to be, but i am that way too at times. I see a million different ways to believe here, it is funny i think that a lot of us believe in the same thing but none of us are on the same level. It´s a little scary to be honest, because i thought we would be a little more united and the same, but i don´t see it. We are all different and have different views and we are not united at all, even though we believe in the same thing, and that is strange to me. I don´t think in reality that any belief is supposed to be fundamental and that is where i feel it goes totally wrong, because then the real truth becomes selfish because we become blinded and the truth can´t be down to earth where it needs to be, but we are humans, we are selfish, i don´t know how to change it... It´s like the more we believe the more we loose our senses and our ego´s take over in the belief, i´m sorry, but i have not met a lot of people who have a high amount of faith who can also be humble and down to earth, it´s like those two can´t be united, So for me it´s actually those who don´t have a lot of faith who have the most value because they don´t know their worth in their belief, and that is the key to be true to everything i think, the more certainty the more selfishness in the certainty, but again, please don´t kill me:)
 
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I might be wrong but i think it´s an ego problem, it´s like we humans can´t be low key, we always have to be fundamental. If we believe something we believe it a 100% and we will fight for that belief. It´s natural to try to convince other people of our beliefs, but it is wrong, because it´s selfish i think. The line is very thin between talking and convincing.That is why most of us are here, to be heard, to get others to listen to us, mostly because of our ego, it feells like that to me, but i could be wrong. This forum to me is often about who can yell the loudest. I´m no saint, i can yell too, I don´t think that is how it´s supposed to be, but i am that way too at times. I see a million different ways to believe here, it is funny i think that a lot of us believe in the same thing but none of us are on the same level. It´s a little scary to be honest, because i thought we would be a little more united and the same, but i don´t see it. We are all different and have different views and we are not united at all, even though we believe in the same thing, and that is strange to me. I don´t think in reality that any belief is supposed to be fundamental and that is where i feel it goes totally wrong, because then the real truth becomes selfish because we become blinded and the truth can´t be down to earth where it needs to be, but we are humans, we are selfish, i don´t know how to change it... It´s like the more we believe the more we loose our senses and our ego´s take over in the belief, i´m sorry, but i have not met a lot of people who have a high amount of faith who can also be humble and down to earth, it´s like those two can´t be united, So for me it´s actually those who don´t have a lot of faith who have the most value because they don´t know their worth in their belief, and that is the key to be true to everything i think, the more certainty the more selfishness in the certainty, but again, please don´t kill me:)
Your speaking your truth. Sometimes I say *ducking* when I think someone is going to shoot. Lol
 
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Now I do realize in the end days things get harder and "brother will turn on brother". But while I can have debates with non-believers I often find other christians are the hardest to talk to. Even on this forum any times christians clash about things to a personal level. All to often they will in one way or another basically judge the other person and make assumptions, some of which technically break the rules.

For example I recently made a topic about a movie that out. Most people shared their view on it and kept things at a non-judgy level. Some talked about its up to your conviction and the Holy Spirit...etc. But one person talked just threw bible verses and essentially said God is not with me if I see this movie. Which I take as meaning "Psh, your not a saved christian!". Granted maybe I am reading into it.

But this seems to be an issue with to many christians at times. Now obviously christians won't always agree with each other since we all have various denominations and views. But many seem just to be "holier than thou". As you know by my signature (which yes I a verse accidently repeat on it lol) I talk about the difference between reproof/correction vs judgment. And often I find those who just judge outright don't seem to realize the sin they are committing.

I won't play innocent here, I've done it to, especially in my past. But its frustrating sometimes when you have a easier conversation with a non-christian and seem to have bigger problems from a fellow christian. Which I should say non-christians notice this and its why they use it as a weapon against being a christian.

Would you agree? Are other chrsitians more often the bigger stepping stones in a walk? Are they more judgemental sometimes?

I've been more judged by Christians than non-christians (and vice versa, I'm not innocent). The thing is, that the Bible tells us to correct each other, so it's a good thing that we try, but I think that both people who are weak and strong in the faith don't realize how we are to judge each other, and by what standards. Jesus said not to judge by mere appearance, but to judge each other correctly.

I once got angry at my friend for being a vegan and yelled: "God has said that we have to eat meat!!!" Guess who had to stop eating meat for a while to get that horrible thought out of my system... It's easy to fall into this trap when something is not like what we are used to. I like to listen to metal, and even though it is Christian metal that edifies me and honors Christ, people judge, for reasons I can totally understand. I don't listen to it openly unless I know it won't be a stumbling block for someone else (and it has been).

We need to be more open-minded towards each other, and to check the Bible before speaking. And remember that knee jerk reactions are of the flesh, not the Spirit. This goes both ways. Romans 14 is a good chapter to read. I think it works for a lot of other subjects other than food.

I'm going to eat a whole pizza now. Please don't judge!
 
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Now I do realize in the end days things get harder and "brother will turn on brother". But while I can have debates with non-believers I often find other christians are the hardest to talk to. Even on this forum any times christians clash about things to a personal level. All to often they will in one way or another basically judge the other person and make assumptions, some of which technically break the rules.

For example I recently made a topic about a movie that out. Most people shared their view on it and kept things at a non-judgy level. Some talked about its up to your conviction and the Holy Spirit...etc. But one person talked just threw bible verses and essentially said God is not with me if I see this movie. Which I take as meaning "Psh, your not a saved christian!". Granted maybe I am reading into it.

But this seems to be an issue with to many christians at times. Now obviously christians won't always agree with each other since we all have various denominations and views. But many seem just to be "holier than thou". As you know by my signature (which yes I a verse accidently repeat on it lol) I talk about the difference between reproof/correction vs judgment. And often I find those who just judge outright don't seem to realize the sin they are committing.

I won't play innocent here, I've done it to, especially in my past. But its frustrating sometimes when you have a easier conversation with a non-christian and seem to have bigger problems from a fellow christian. Which I should say non-christians notice this and its why they use it as a weapon against being a christian.

Would you agree? Are other chrsitians more often the bigger stepping stones in a walk? Are they more judgemental sometimes?

Tooooo much theory, very little practice or none at all.

It's like all those men and women training for long years to become astronauts. Some of them eventually fly into space, and they are happy, but some never do and become pretty bitter inside. There are people who have never tasted the love of Jesus, no matter how much theory they have accumulated in their minds. They have not yet experienced the Holy Spirit, the love and joy and true happiness from Jesus, to them it's just empty words. So, all that remains is backbiting those that probably do have it. It's actually very sad.

"Judge not and you will not be judged", said our dear Lord Jesus Christ.
 
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Now I do realize in the end days things get harder and "brother will turn on brother". But while I can have debates with non-believers I often find other christians are the hardest to talk to. Even on this forum any times christians clash about things to a personal level. All to often they will in one way or another basically judge the other person and make assumptions, some of which technically break the rules.

For example I recently made a topic about a movie that out. Most people shared their view on it and kept things at a non-judgy level. Some talked about its up to your conviction and the Holy Spirit...etc. But one person talked just threw bible verses and essentially said God is not with me if I see this movie. Which I take as meaning "Psh, your not a saved christian!". Granted maybe I am reading into it.

But this seems to be an issue with to many christians at times. Now obviously christians won't always agree with each other since we all have various denominations and views. But many seem just to be "holier than thou". As you know by my signature (which yes I a verse accidently repeat on it lol) I talk about the difference between reproof/correction vs judgment. And often I find those who just judge outright don't seem to realize the sin they are committing.

I won't play innocent here, I've done it to, especially in my past. But its frustrating sometimes when you have a easier conversation with a non-christian and seem to have bigger problems from a fellow christian. Which I should say non-christians notice this and its why they use it as a weapon against being a christian.

Would you agree? Are other chrsitians more often the bigger stepping stones in a walk? Are they more judgemental sometimes?
Yes, I have noticed this. I posted something because I am struggling and someone told me that I was not truly "born again". At first I was offended but thought it through before I responded. I don't think anyone should be questioning someone's salvation just because they are going though hard times. I have been very discouraged about this website since. I came here for biblical encouragement not discouragement. It really made my emotional situation worse because I truly needed help. However, this is where we apply grace toward others. That being said, I think people need to really think through what they say before saying it because some people can be very fragile emotionally. This particular forum is Christian advice not criticism or false judgment. Just my opinion...
 
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What I would say is that you are right, and when people act in judgemental ways, it is because if their self-righteousness, and bolsters that pride. It's very unloving.

But what horrifies me is the thought of all Christians (or even a majority) being this way. If that is one's experience ... I would think one might want to seek another community!

I don't think Orthodox are unique in this (and I haven't always been Orthodox) but we are taught strongly to look to ourselves and not judge others. We have a number of "sayings" and prayers even devoted to this.

If I thought ALL Christians were behaving that way, I would be in despair.
There are religious Orthodox who are very judgmental. Even monks and priests. There are Orthodox saints who judged others that are quoted today. It's a common temptation of religious folk.
 
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Sometimes.. well I have a..not a fault but.. what most can do very well I dont. Has allot to do with how you are raised. But.. the world has yet to ever make fun of me for it. Believers? yep. Sure.. you can live with a pastor and his wife.. you then get married.. she says.. about your wife "she must be a little angel to be married to you". You smile you say nothing..ever. You lose track of them. You find them 25years later. Your on the phone with her and her husband. He is SO happy to hear from you been looking for years to find you :). She? Well your not on the phone for 5min yet and remember its been 25years. She says "She (your wife) must still be an angel to be married to you".

Thats haha.. wow just some. But.. for ME ok? Sure.. I am human. does not even touch what my father use to say or anyway.. for me its.. Father change me 1st. The world..sinner can love those do good to those that love and do good back. But were not of this world. So we love them...no.. in the middle of it.. we love them.. truly love them. Dont see fault.. sin.. we love them! If they are like that forever.. I love them I forgive them 70*7. I know my rights.. I KNOW who I am whos I am! I know the POWER OF GOD CHRIST IN ME and no demon or all of them and fallen angels ..I KNOW my rights!

But..to them.. I have no power over. My POWER so to speak..is love..forgive show them mercy and grace. For most its just a moment. There are others .. right now.. its been over 20y day in day out.. I still say.. IT HURTS Father.. but.. I would rather be like Him.. so Father change me 1st. I will love them forgive them before they utter a word.. this is just how I see Him..ok?
 
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Yes, I have noticed this. I posted something because I am struggling and someone told me that I was not truly "born again". At first I was offended but thought it through before I responded. I don't think anyone should be questioning someone's salvation just because they are going though hard times. I have been very discouraged about this website since. I came here for biblical encouragement not discouragement. It really made my emotional situation worse because I truly needed help. However, this is where we apply grace toward others. That being said, I think people need to really think through what they say before saying it because some people can be very fragile emotionally. This particular forum is Christian advice not criticism or false judgment. Just my opinion...
I think that is a valid question, if we correct than are we also to help that person. I think yes.
 
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Christians are easy, if you want a lesson in judgemental join a vegan group on Facebook and mention you eat eggs or honey. Try and handle it for a week before you leave, they make any christian look good in the area of being religious, judgemental and inflexible.
 
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There are religious Orthodox who are very judgmental. Even monks and priests. There are Orthodox saints who judged others that are quoted today. It's a common temptation of religious folk.

Hi Sketcher, sure there are. There are a variety of people in every kind of gathering. Some follow the teachings they are given, and some do not. And some have different places for different reasons.

But the general ethos of Orthodoxy is to be very non-judgmental. And most of the Orthodox I meet embody those principles, thankfully.

If I've offended you by pointing out something good, I do apologize.
 
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Yes, I have noticed this. I posted something because I am struggling and someone told me that I was not truly "born again". At first I was offended but thought it through before I responded. I don't think anyone should be questioning someone's salvation just because they are going though hard times. I have been very discouraged about this website since. I came here for biblical encouragement not discouragement. It really made my emotional situation worse because I truly needed help. However, this is where we apply grace toward others. That being said, I think people need to really think through what they say before saying it because some people can be very fragile emotionally. This particular forum is Christian advice not criticism or false judgment. Just my opinion...
I'm sorry you have experienced such treatment on CF. If they said you were not a Christian, they are certainly out of line.

I will note though that some areas of CF are - less loving - than others. It really is a shame, how people will sometimes treat each other. I think in some cases it's the anonymity that they can't be known, and at the same time, they must not stop to think about the PERSON on the other side? I especially dislike the arguments that come up where it seems as if whoever can get in the sharpest jab "wins" - as if that somehow makes them right.

Some forums are also more supportive than others. If you need any help, let me know. And by the way, anyone who accuses someone else of not being Christian can and should be reported. It can help prevent them from treating others the same way.

What is more important than forum rules are God's rules. We are sometimes in a position where we must observe the fruit of others, or we may be in a position to correct behavior. But what we must NEVER do is judge someone as condemned, or beyond the grace of God. That is never for us to judge.

Again, I am sorry that happened to you, and it was wrong. God be with you.
 
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Yes, I have noticed this. I posted something because I am struggling and someone told me that I was not truly "born again". At first I was offended but thought it through before I responded. I don't think anyone should be questioning someone's salvation just because they are going though hard times. I have been very discouraged about this website since. I came here for biblical encouragement not discouragement. It really made my emotional situation worse because I truly needed help. However, this is where we apply grace toward others. That being said, I think people need to really think through what they say before saying it because some people can be very fragile emotionally. This particular forum is Christian advice not criticism or false judgment. Just my opinion...
I feel for you, and know what it's like to feel worse when emotionally fragile. For Biblical encouragement, we have a thread on Golden Eagles about comforting scriptures when life hurts. It's not specific to any situation, but hopefully shows the Lord's love for us.

In answer to the OP I voted "yes" in the poll and would say "yes" and "no"! I was approaching it from a dealing with emotional situations, rather than intellectual arguments, point of view, and I have found that some Christians tend to jump in with advice without really understanding the situation. I suspect it is lack of experience, but it hurts and makes the situation worse sometimes. However there are others who are caring and gentle and they are wonderful to be around.
 
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I've been more judged by Christians than non-christians (and vice versa, I'm not innocent). The thing is, that the Bible tells us to correct each other, so it's a good thing that we try, but I think that both people who are weak and strong in the faith don't realize how we are to judge each other, and by what standards. Jesus said not to judge by mere appearance, but to judge each other correctly.

I once got angry at my friend for being a vegan and yelled: "God has said that we have to eat meat!!!" Guess who had to stop eating meat for a while to get that horrible thought out of my system... It's easy to fall into this trap when something is not like what we are used to. I like to listen to metal, and even though it is Christian metal that edifies me and honors Christ, people judge, for reasons I can totally understand. I don't listen to it openly unless I know it won't be a stumbling block for someone else (and it has been).

We need to be more open-minded towards each other, and to check the Bible before speaking. And remember that knee jerk reactions are of the flesh, not the Spirit. This goes both ways. Romans 14 is a good chapter to read. I think it works for a lot of other subjects other than food.

I'm going to eat a whole pizza now. Please don't judge!

Wait, when did God say we have to eat meat? I'm curious because I had a conversation with someone who mentioned that it was best to be a vegan and in the Garden of Eden no one ate meat.
 
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I've been more judged by Christians than non-christians (and vice versa, I'm not innocent). The thing is, that the Bible tells us to correct each other, so it's a good thing that we try, but I think that both people who are weak and strong in the faith don't realize how we are to judge each other, and by what standards. Jesus said not to judge by mere appearance, but to judge each other correctly.

I once got angry at my friend for being a vegan and yelled: "God has said that we have to eat meat!!!" Guess who had to stop eating meat for a while to get that horrible thought out of my system... It's easy to fall into this trap when something is not like what we are used to. I like to listen to metal, and even though it is Christian metal that edifies me and honors Christ, people judge, for reasons I can totally understand. I don't listen to it openly unless I know it won't be a stumbling block for someone else (and it has been).

We need to be more open-minded towards each other, and to check the Bible before speaking. And remember that knee jerk reactions are of the flesh, not the Spirit. This goes both ways. Romans 14 is a good chapter to read. I think it works for a lot of other subjects other than food.

I'm going to eat a whole pizza now. Please don't judge!
I would also
Add that we need to refer them to prayer more also AND pray FOR them ourselves.

What makes my blood boil is those who think it's ok to correct or do that and then do not at least pray regularly and often for that other person.
 
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Wait, when did God say we have to eat meat? I'm curious because I had a conversation with someone who mentioned that it was best to be a vegan and in the Garden of Eden no one ate meat.
Well no one can know what they are in the Garden of Eden. Though meat did exist too. But more importantly is the scripture below:

Romans 14:2
One person's faith allows them to eat anything, but another, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables.
 
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Absolutely, you are right that it is important that we examine ourselves. It's also wonderful that you recognize those thoughts when they come, and judge them for yourself. :)

It took me quite a while to learn to catch the thoughts. Then it was a TERRIBLE struggle to deal with them properly. Sometimes these thoughts are really temptations by the enemy to think a certain way, to cause us to sin. And that was the worst temptation/thought struggle I have faced in my life.

In my case, I was taught to see reasons for others, give them the benefit of the doubt, try to be compassionate about what may have caused them to do what they have done. In that way, we can be moved to love for them, instead of pride in ourselves. It's a win/win way of thinking. I thank God for the godly wisdom He gave others so that I could begin to learn this. I still need lots of practice, and probably always will, but by the grace of God, He uses my efforts for my edification. :)
I've tried looking for reasons for others and giving the benefit of the doubt, but people's motivations and reasons are rarely what we think.

The better way I have found is this. See yourself and others the way God see's you and them.

For instance. Give love just because they are God's beloved. We are to be like our Savior and Christ knew how much each person is loved by God.

Give grace and exude patience because grace, forgiveness and patience have been given to you. Know that some people have no idea the pain they cause and we also many times do not know the pain we cause. Intercede for those people with prayer. Be like your Savior in heaven and give all the blessing s you have been given.

That is what I have found really brings peace. Not making excuses for people.

Hope this is easy to understand what I am trying to say.
 
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Wait, when did God say we have to eat meat? I'm curious because I had a conversation with someone who mentioned that it was best to be a vegan and in the Garden of Eden no one ate meat.

No, He never said that. That's why I had to repent of that horrible blasphemy. We sin, and then we learn...

In Eden, Adam and Eve only ate fruits and seeds, but then, either after the fall or after the flood (I don't remember), God allowed humans to eat meat, then He restricted Israel to only eat clean meat.

Then Christ declared all foods clean. The point is that we are allowed the freedom to eat anything we like, as long as we are not sinning while doing it (like gluttony), or forcing our choices on someone else. And if it goes against someone elses conscience, we are sinning against him or her, making them stumble.

It isn't necessary better to be vegan, not morally anyway (everything is clean for a believer). Adam and Eve had access to the Tree of Life, so who knows how their bodies functioned. I was vegetarian for a few months, and vegan for six months. My health was great and I lost a lot of excess weight, but I also had way less energy. Eat what works for you and what makes you healthy! And if possible, eat vegan when you are with a vegan, lest you make them stumble.
 
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