The Great Deception ??

Handmaid for Jesus said:

See post #212

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Thanks for the re-track, and thank you SeventyOne for the verbiage.

SeventyOne said:

It's in 1 Enoch several places but really spelled out in 15:8.

Now the giants, who have been born of spirit and of flesh, shall be called upon earth evil spirits, and on earth shall be their habitation. Evil spirits shall proceed from their flesh, because they were created from above; from the holy Watchers was their beginning and primary foundation. Evil spirits shall they be upon earth, and the spirits of the wicked shall they be called. The habitation of the spirits of heaven shall be in heaven; but upon earth shall be the habitation of terrestrial spirits, who are born on earth.

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Thank you for this. Now I know where Missler got this theory.

1stcenturylady said:

Thank you for this. Now I know where Missler got this theory.

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It's funny, I've never quoted Enoch on this forum before. The weekend before last I got a sudden urge to read Enoch for the first time in several years. So my tablet and I sat on my balcony reading 1 Enoch. Now, here I am a few days later and I've already quoted it at least half a dozen times because the words were still fresh in my memory and it was pertinent to the conversations.

SeventyOne said:

It's funny, I've never quoted Enoch on this forum before. The weekend before last I got a sudden urge to read Enoch for the first time in several years. So my tablet and I sat on my balcony reading 1 Enoch. Now, here I am a few days later and I've already quoted it at least half a dozen times because the words were still fresh in my memory and it was pertinent to the conversations.

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Are you a Missler fan? How about Ivan Panin? I am, and so is Missler, so I can't understand how he can't see the missing book in the New Testament. There are suppose to be 28, not 27, a number exactly divisible by 7. I have a candidate: The Epistle of Barnabas (not the Gospel of Barnabas). If you haven't read it, do. It will open your eyes to a lot of reasons God did things.

If the early church believed the EoB was inspired, that is good enough for me, no matter what man chose later.

1stcenturylady said:

Are you a Missler fan? How about Ivan Panin? I am, and so is Missler, so I can't understand how he can't see there is a missing book in the New Testament. There are suppose to be 28, not 27, 28 is a number exactly divisible by 7. I have a candidate: The Epistle of Barnabas (not the Gospel of Barnabas). If you haven't read it, do. It will open your eyes to a lot of reasons God did things.

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1stcenturylady said:

Are you a Missler fan? How about Ivan Panin? I am, and so is Missler, so I can't understand how he can't see the missing book in the New Testament. There are suppose to be 28, not 27, a number exactly divisible by 7. I have a candidate: The Epistle of Barnabas (not the Gospel of Barnabas). If you haven't read it, do. It will open your eyes to a lot of reasons God did things.

If the early church believed the EoB was inspired, that is good enough for me, no matter what man chose later.

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The problem with Enoch is it's actually 4 sections usually presented as a single book. Sections 2 through 4 are likely later additions and have factual errors. For example, in chapter 58 in what would be section 3, it states about a revelation coming to Enoch in the 500th year of his lifetime, but we know from Genesis 5:23 that he was 365 years old when God took him.

So you have 1st Enoch, chapters 1 through 21 which was written for a distant generation (1:2), and then what is likely non-Enochian books added on, probably to either legitimize those writings or even delegitimize 1 Enoch.

Personally, I consider it a historical account (1 Enoch), simply because it's historicity is tapped into by the NT authors under the inspiration of the Spirit, and that is a referral for its legitimacy that I can't ignore.

SeventyOne said:

The problem with Enoch is it's actually 4 sections usually presented as a single book. Sections 2 through 4 are likely later additions and have factual errors. For example, in chapter 58 in what would be section 3, it states about a revelation coming to Enoch in the 500th year of his lifetime, but we know from Genesis 5:23 that he was 365 years old when God took him.

So you have 1st Enoch, chapters 1 through 21 which was written for a distant generation (1:2), and then what is likely non-Enochian books added on, probably to either legitimize those writings or even delegitimize 1 Enoch.

Personally, I consider it a historical account (1 Enoch), simply because it's historicity is tapped into by the NT authors under the inspiration of the Spirit, and that is a referral for its legitimacy that I can't ignore.

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Right. And thank you for the information about the other sections and the errors. So have you ever read the Epistle of Barnabas? Very curious...SO ANSWER ME!!! lol

1stcenturylady said:

Right. And thank you for the information about the other sections and the errors. So have you ever read the Epistle of Barnabas? Very curious...SO ANSWER ME!!! lol

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Apologies. I'm not saying I haven't long ago, but I don't recall ever reading it.

SeventyOne said:

Apologies. I'm not saying I haven't long ago, but I don't recall ever reading it.

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It is very interesting and explains WHY the unclean animals were unclean. It wasn't just the uncloven hoofs or not chewing the cud. It was their CHARACTERS - stinginess, selfishness, unnatural sexual practices, etc.

Another enlightening section was creation. 6 days represented 6,000 years for man, and the 7th, the Sabbath, represented the 1,000 year millennium. The eighth day was eternity.

One of the commandments was "thou shall not abort a baby, or kill it after it is born." That one is REALLY needed today in the whole world, and China needs to stop killing female babies.

Here is part two of the Tom Horn program I posted yesterday. It is very interesting information.

keras said:

The whole UFO and aliens concept is a Satanic deception, aimed at giving humans an alternative to the truth of God's Creation.
Believing any of that rubbish is contrary to the Bible and therefore a sin.

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You are correct. It is one of the possible scenarios the globalists could use to bring in their agenda.

The History Channel has been running UFO stories for several years now. They are not on our side.

With the video technology that exists today, most people would probably believe the lie.

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The devil's New Age movement demons are teaching their disciples about the rapture.

KarlX said:

What if ( alleged ) aliens landed and claimed to be the source of all life on this planet , what are your thoughts on this ?
Could this be the great deception ?

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I believe it is a very good possibility. We know the Great Deception is for the last days and it's going to sound so close to the truth, that if it were possible even the elect would be deceived. So this means that it's going to be following along the lines of a Biblical narrative in regards to the last days. I believe this would likely have something to do with the pretrib rapture doctrine, Satan and his angels losing the war in heaven, being cast down, and they are very angry because they know their time is short.

I think with what we are seeing with the geopolitical landscape today in Syria, the refugee crisis, and the attempt to Islamafy the west through political correctness, Islamic anti blasphemy laws being introduced under the guise of hate speech legislation, this is all going to lead up to the Gog and Magog conflict which will be world war III. This will bring in world government under Sharia. Christianity will be persecuted like no other time in history.. and then comes the "alien saviors" claiming to be on the side of Christ to rapture off all us Christians. But they're not of Christ, they're there to overcome the saints, get Christians to board their ships where they'll be slaughtered or to have them be implanted and turned away from Christ.

I've been recently looking into this phenomena more, and it's lead me to Antarctica. I guess before the flood happened which caused the continents to drift a part it was part of the center of the super continent. Anyways it is said that there are pyramids down there like the ones at Giza which I also hear predate the flood and that perhaps the Nephilim or even the Fallen Angels had a hand in building. It's also said that there is this deep cavern in the earth where these "aliens" are and our world governments are working with them, and everyone is restricted from going down there.

REBEL CRUSADER said:

get Christians to board their ships where they'll be slaughtered or to have them be implanted and turned away from Christ.

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Not going to happen. In the rapture, those who belong to Lord Jesus will be caught up in the air along with the dead in Christ. No Christian will be voluntarily boarding any space ships . Now it may be that after the rapture, those left behind might believe the lie and voluntarily board space ships.

Handmaid for Jesus said:

Not going to happen. In the rapture, those who belong to Lord Jesus will be caught up in the air along with the dead in Christ. No Christian will be voluntarily boarding any space ships . Now it may be that after the rapture, those left behind might believe the lie and voluntarily board space ships.

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There are a lot of Christians that will believe and do what their clergy tells them.

SeventyOne said:

The problem with Enoch is it's actually 4 sections usually presented as a single book. Sections 2 through 4 are likely later additions and have factual errors. For example, in chapter 58 in what would be section 3, it states about a revelation coming to Enoch in the 500th year of his lifetime, but we know from Genesis 5:23 that he was 365 years old when God took him.

So you have 1st Enoch, chapters 1 through 21 which was written for a distant generation (1:2), and then what is likely non-Enochian books added on, probably to either legitimize those writings or even delegitimize 1 Enoch.

Personally, I consider it a historical account (1 Enoch), simply because it's historicity is tapped into by the NT authors under the inspiration of the Spirit, and that is a referral for its legitimacy that I can't ignore.

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For all we know maybe a revelation did come to Enoch in the 500th year of his lifetime. It's not like he actually died.

REBEL CRUSADER said:

There are a lot of Christians that will believe and do what their clergy tells them.

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Unfortunately this is true. But, a born again child of God will not be deceived. The Bible, indicates that.Our Father knows those who are His.

REBEL CRUSADER said:

I believe it is a very good possibility. We know the Great Deception is for the last days and it's going to sound so close to the truth, that if it were possible even the elect would be deceived.

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People are deceived by reason of the signs and wonders being performed by the false Christs and false prophets including the false prophet. Matthew 24:24 Revelation 13:14 I agree that there's a very good possibility that they'll claim extraterrestrial origin. They will be able to manipulate the natural realm in ways that astonish and deceive people in order to validate what they are saying. I don't think it necessarily needs to be close to the truth though.

I think Jesus will be painted as a failure, unlike the false Christs and false prophets who successfully rule their "planets". In the hierarchy of things, they are subservient to the false prophet who claims to be God and they have all come to set things right on planet Earth. I also wouldn't be surprised to see the son of perdition, Judas, make a cameo appearance to set the record straight on what "really" happened two millennia ago. This would kick the legs out from under the entire new testament account and provide plausibility for new, "accurate" revision of history.

The lie that Jesus was a failure has already been mentioned by the current pope:

The cross shows us a different way of measuring success. Ours is to plant the seeds. God sees to the fruits of our labors. And if at times our efforts and works seem to fail and not produce fruit, we need to remember that we are followers of Jesus Christ and his life, humanly speaking, ended in failure, the failure of the cross.

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The importance of Deuteronomy 13:1-4 can't be overstated.

Handmaid for Jesus said:

Unfortunately this is true. But, a born again child of God will not be deceived. The Bible, indicates that.Our Father knows those who are His.

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I don't know of anyone believing themselves to be a Christian and believing that they haven't been born again.

REBEL CRUSADER said:

I don't know of anyone believing themselves to be a Christian and not believing that they've been born again.

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Well, I have talked to some people who answer everything except yes to the question "Have you been born again?"